Here is another example of an author who purposely trying to distort the facts about the prophet Mohammed and Islam. Whatever he and others create lies about Islam, nothing will change the power of the fastest growing religion on earth. Truth will always shine and spread.
You had better hope the following truth does not "spread and shine:"
1. Islamic nations execute those who witness or proseletyze the Christian faith. 2. Islamic nations execute those who wish to convert from Islam to another religion. 3. Islam is the most misogynist religion in the world, and denies women basic human rights. 4. 75% of women imprisoned in the Islamic nation of Pakistan were sentenced to prison because they were raped, but failed to produce the necessary 4 witnesses to the rape, and were thus imprisoned for having sex outside of marriage. 5. Muslim imams in mosques across Europe and the US, routinely teach Muslims to practice jihad against the West. 6. Mohammed married a 6 year old and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old, but all Muslims believe his life to be the perfect example for all. 7. Mohammed personally led 27 raids against his enemies, leading his followers into battle--this from the leader of the "religion of peace." 8. On more than one occasion, Mohammed gave orders to have his captured enemies beheaded. 9. Mohammed specifically stated it is permissible for Muslims to lie to, and break treaties with, nonMuslims. 10. Muslim leaders and imams, throughout the Middle East, praise and encourage Palestinians to commit suicide with explosives and murder innocent women and children while doing so.
The TRUTH about Islam is that it is an intolerant false faith based solely on conquest and hatred. Any religion that glorifies murder, as Islam surely does, cannot be based on peace or love.
Dear Dan, You got to search for the truth. I don't know what sources you are getting this information from, but definitely you are way off!
1. None of the "Islamic nations" use Islam as their state law. Most of the laws these nations practice don't reflect Islam.
2. In Islam, it doesn't say anything about executing a convert from Islam to any other religion!! Where does it say that?? Is it in the Quran??
3. Women have the most rights in Islam. Whatever ignorant practices you see isn't Islamic. I can send you many resources show you the rights and you can compare then to women right in the west, where many women are treated or looked at like sex objects! There is more Women convert to Islam than men here in the US (4:1 ratio).
4. What you mentioned in Pakistan is not true. And even if it is, that not what Islam teaches. Rape doesn't require 4 witnesses as you mentioned. Rape is crime highly punished in Islam.
5. You need to know what Jihad means. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad. OR http://isna.net/services/library/khutbahs/Jihad.html?&no_cache=1&sword_list=convert You gotta stop watching the biased news!
6. Prophet Mohammed married her at 9 years old, but didn't leave together until she was 11. At that time, Arab girls used to mature faster than these days. In addition, his enemies at that time didn't see anything wrong with it.
7. Prophet Mohammed stayed in Mecca for 13 years under the oppression of his tribe without any "raid" you mean self defense, right. These people have killed, raped his followers, and destroy their property for 13 years and he didn't "led any raid".
8. Show me the source??
10. Suicide bombing against innocent people is wrong and not Islamic. http://isna.net/316.0.html At the same time, Israel action "killer machine" that the west ignores and don't talk about, is justified!!
Islam means surrender and complete submission to God. Once you are truly submitted to God, you will become Muslim. I advice you to learn about Islam from unbiased true sources. Please search for the truth and don't just listen and repeat what Islam enemies say.
Qur'an 5:51 "Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an 8:69 "So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good." Ishaq:326 "Allah said, `No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.' Muhammad said, `I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.'" Tabari IX:137 "Mariyah, a Copt slave, was presented to the Prophet. She was given to him by Muqawqis, the ruler of Alexandria."
I do not need Robert Spencer to tell me that these things advocate terrorism, hostage taking, slave trade , etc.. I know myself that these verdicts are abominable in the eyes of God.
You got to understand the verse why and when it was descended on the prophet. For example, the Qur'an 5:51 talks about the time of Mohammed where the Jews and Christians at that time used to plot for killing the prophet and his followers and to destroy Islam as it was grown so fast. It was a threat for their unlawful businesses and unlawful way of life. There are many stories about their acts. Many of the Jews, for instance, were hypocrites (Muslims among Muslims, but in fact they were still Jews). The verse don't imply not having Jews and Christians friends under any circumstances at anytime. I have many friends that are Jews and Christians!
Qur'an:8:39; fight the disbelievers in the battle field (during the war) were the disbelievers used to attack Muslims. Doesn't imply to fight or kill disbelievers anytime anywhere as you imagine.
Qur'an:9:5 : you chose a part of the verse and not all of it (out of context), in addition to the inaccurate translation. Read the versus before and after please. The disbelievers at the time of the prophet broke a trust by killing innocent Muslims. ..... Please read and search carefully before making up your own conclusions.
You are truly kind and courageous and humble to share your Truth here in this dark corner.
Can you suggest commentaries and sources we may study, who know nothing and have been taught very carefully lies about Islam?
Are you familiar with such works as Dardess's Meeting Islam? It seems one place we might begin to learn the Truth, and even convert our own hearts to the right and humble way to God together, along with Dardess's Do We Worship the Same God? He says yes.
Dardess may be a useful portal for Christians curious about Islam. He is a Catholic cleric who for years has closely studied the Quran, learning the language in order to do so and meeting with local Muslim clerics. He is noted for his two books Meeting Islam and also Do We believe in the same God?
Since the time of Malcolm X and of the young Muhammed Ali especially, I have thought there must be much more to Islam than we were being told. I still enjoy MUhammed Ali's writings, and his recent SOul of a Butterfly on audio books. He really is a great American in every way, and a great and courageous and humble soul who gave up the prime of his promising career for his beliefs in peace and in Islam.
On more think Mr. Alali: It seems to me that there are a lot of qualifiers regarded by the Koran. I'm not talking in terms of superiority/inferiority of religions here, but when one reads the words of Christ in the New Testament they are pretty straightforward and don't require qualifiers.
THen why, when Jesus CHrist so clearly commands us, for instance, to love our enemies, we instead kill a million Iraqis for oil? When Jesus CHrist commands us to do good to those who hate us, why do we seek to shock and awe with overwhelming pre-emptive strikes against civilian populations? WHen Jesus CHrist commands us to do for others what we want them to do to us, we treat all nations and peoples so poorly?
The words of Jesus CHrist are indeed straightforward. WHen the rich young man asked what he must do to buy eternal life, Jesus asked him what the commandments were, but he was not satisfied and asked for more. SO JEsus told him to sell all that he had and to give the money to the poor and then to come follow Him.
The rich young man walked away and ignored the words of JEsus. We do the same now in this evil time when we harm our Muslim brothers and sisters.
Dear Walid, Plese have a look at this tafsir on verse 8:39: http://www.theholybook.org/en/a.46441.htm
One of the contexts is as follows: I was commanded to fight against the people until they proclaim, " There is no deity worthy of worship except Allah." If and when they say it, they will preserve their blood and wealth from me, except for its right (Islamic penal code), and their reckoning is with Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored.)
This is a justification of the total war against unislamic contries, until they convert to Islam. We consider such thing to be evil.
Regarding 9:5: is not Quran a timeless decree of Allah , written by the Pen before the creation? If so, the sura of sword has non-contextual interpretation, and being one of the latest it does abrogate many peaceful suras. About doctrine of abrogation, in general see: http://www.jstor.org/view/00387134/di982474/98p0286r/0
The difficult question is Ishaq:326. It sounds as a justification of terrorism and hostage taking for all followers of the prophet. What is your responce to this? Do you consider Ishaq:326 to be a reliable reference?
Obviously, Walid, you haven't taken the time to read Mr. Spencer's book or you would know the answers to the questions you post above. Spencer has been diligent in grounding his comments on Islamic authority, including the Koran (which, by the way, I have read and found repugnant and far below the decency of other non-Christian sacred texts). I agree with the poster above who says Muslims better hope that truth doesn't "spread and shine" It is no accident that Islam is the religion of some of the most intellectually backward populations on the planet. It grows like a fungus in empty heads.
Spencer is clearly a war-mongering prejudicial propagandist with no intent of revealing any "Truth" as there is no profit in it, just as the Bush boys find no profit in peace and cooperation.
The Bush dynasty since they began their genocidal imperialist petroleum piracy in 1990 have murdered over a million Iraqi children, women and civilians. This is the Truth about Bushlandia, but is it the Truth about Christianity?
Desert Wanderer is clearly obsessed with hatred for anyone who dares to reveal the truth about Islam. Not much of a thinker, either; it still has not occurred to him that if President Bush wanted Iraqi oil all we had to do was buy it the way the French did. Anyhow, as I pointed out above, Islam does not exactly prepare the mind for reason.
Where I preach love and non-violence, you see hatred! HOw is quoting "Love thy neighbor as thyself" and "THOU SHALT NOT KILL!" preaching hatred? The blind will not see anything beyond their own self. Open your eyes to possibility of peace, rather than vague and ridiculous allegations about France. YOu are one of the last in the world to think Bush's invasion was ever anything less than imperialist petroleum piracy. This was the plan since papa bush in 1990 began his long seige and war of attrition which has left over a million innocent human beings dead, and several more million displaced and damaged. We do not practice Christian virtues and commandments in doing so. No wonder people turn in droves to Islam instead.
"Turn in droves to Islam" is the correct expression, "droves" as in 'droves' of empty headed sheep and cattle. There is nowhere in the world where Muslims live without violence toward their neighbors. Usually their brutal behavior has nothing to do with President Bush. What does American policy have to do with Muslim atrocities against Christians in Nigeria? What does the U.S. have to do with vicious attacks against Coptic Christian Egyptians in Egypt? What does American policy have to do with homicidal attacks by Muslims against Buddhists in Thailand. The one common ingredient in all of this heathen, savage behavior is not America; it is is Islam. I wonder if Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy were Muslim converts? Probably not, but Islam was certainly a religion to their taste.
hiroshima palestine Nagasaki Chiricahua Iraq Afghan Vietnam Nicaragua from Somoza on El Salvador Chile 9/11/73 Guatemala 1953 Iran in the fifties CHerokee Nation Mexican lands north of the Rio Grande (once one third of MExico)
Let's start with the Mexican lands north of the Rio Grande. Any Mexicans caught north of the border when they became American are better off for it. You don't see any of them swimming back to Old Mexico do you? If those lands were not now part of America, you would see illegals trying to break into Colorado because everything south of the border would be a pit...but a better pit than any of the Muslim countries at least.
Hiroshima ended a war begun by Japan. Imperial Japan was working on biological weapons of mass destruction that they tested on Chinese civilians. They murdered over 200,000 people in Nanking alone by beheading contests, burying alive, using Chinese civilians for bayonet practice, raping and disemboweling Chinese girls, and so forth. Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved lives by bringing it to a prompt end. We have returned all Japanese territory to Japan. Do you think they would have returned their conquests if they had won?
Palestine: That's another Muslim created cesspool. They have received enough foreign aid (including from the US) for every Palestinian resident (hardly citizens since that implies the existence of a civilization)to live in his own private garden of paradise. But, of course, the Muslim leaders of that corrupt entity have stolen most of it and continue to blame conditions on (of course) the Jews.
Afghanistan, before 9/11, was receiving more foreign aid from the United States than from any other country in the world. Some gratitude, but it is consistent with Muslim morality I take it. In any event Afghans are better off now than they were under the Taliban, not that I care.
Vietnam: We were trying to prevent in Vietnam what happened in North Korea. Look at the satellite picture of Korea by night and you will see what I mean. Too bad it didn't work; Vietnam would have made a quicker recovery.
As for Chiricahua, Cherokee, and the rest, they are Americans and have more rights than women (or most men) in Muslim countries. Some who have oil wells or casinos are fabulously wealthy. One of our vice presidents was part American Indian and Winston Churchill claimed (through his American mother) to be part American Indian. Several Medal of Honor winners are American Indians, including one of the Marines raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi. No American, and certainly no American Indian, needs the loathesome, false pity of the Muslim community.
By the way, how are the Muslim slave raiding parties doing in Southern Sudan? Still having their idea of fun when they aren't busy mutilating the genitalia of little girls?
The inexperienced and incompetent Truman took bad advice in rushing the atom bombs to murder hundreds of thousands of people before the whole world knew the Japanese HAD ALREADY SURRENDERED TO HIM. No lives were saved and a lot of innocent children incinerated. Read the Barefoot Gen series for starters.
Like Mexican American Linda ROndstadt states, whose family was here before there was a border: Her family did not move over here; the border moved over there.
Too boring to answer the rest of your mistaken concepts. Get a good book on any of those topics. THe literate and highly cultured Cherokee spirits walking that trail of tears from the Carolinas to forced genocidal exile in Oklahoma see things differently. In fact, we stole our US Constitution from them, the one bush now burns. THe CHiricahua traditional nomadic trails are now proposed for blockage like a GOP colon, but they were all wiped out in US genocidal action a century ago.
your thoughts on Vietnam are simply entirely misinformed, to put it graciously. Dow CHemicals profit margins had more to do with it than any declred political concerns.
Lost Desert Wanderer, read Craig's "The Fall of Japan." The Japanese military wasn't ready to surrender even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. When the emperor cut a recording of his surrender speech, a group of military men tried to seize the record and 'rescue' the emperor from his advisers before it could be played. As for peace feelers by the Japanese near the end of the war, maybe there were some--just as there were Japanese peace feelers (and negotiations) up to the morning of the attack on Pearl Harbor. Your mind has been so poisoned with activist politics you are incapable of facing the truth. On the other hand, that is typical of Muslim political commentary. Are you still convinced that 9/11 was a Bush plot? You haven't responded to my question about Muslim slavers in the Sudan, or the mutilation of genitalia of girls, or, I should add, the beheading of Christian girls in Indonesia to obtain Ramadan trophies.
Islam is a religion of idolatry (remember that stupid rock in Mecca) and savagery not seen since the days of Baal when worshipers sacrificed their children to a false god...which, by the way, seems to be happening a lot in Muslim countries these days as well. Revolting.