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Marshall Sahlins (Author)
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0226734005 978-0226734002 December 1, 2004 1
Thucydides' classic work on the history of the Peloponnesian War is the root of Western conceptions of history—including the idea that Western history is the foundation of everyone else's. Here, Marshall Sahlins takes on Thucydides and the conceptions of history he wrought with a groundbreaking new book that shows what a difference an anthropological concept of culture can make to the writing of history.

Sahlins begins by confronting Thucydides' account of the Peloponnesian War with an analogous "Polynesian War," the fight for the domination of the Fiji Islands (1843-55) between a great sea power (like Athens) and a great land power (like Sparta). Sahlins draws parallels between the conflicts with an eye to their respective systems of power and sovereignty as well as to Thucydides' alternation between individual (Pericles, Themistocles) and collective (the Athenians, the Spartans) actors in the making of history. Characteristic of most histories ever written, this alternation between the agency of "Great Men" and collective entities leads Sahlins to a series of incisive analyses ranging in subject matter from Bobby Thomson's "shot heard round the world" for the 1951 Giants to the history-making of Napoleon and certain divine kings to the brouhaha over Elián Gonzalez. Finally, again departing from Thucydides, Sahlins considers the relationship between cultural order and historical contingency through the recounting of a certain royal assassination that changed the course of Fijian history, a story of fratricide and war worthy of Shakespeare.

In this most convincing presentation yet of his influential theory of culture, Sahlins experiments with techniques for mixing rich narrative with cultural explication in the hope of doing justice at once to the actions of persons and the customs of people. And he demonstrates the necessity of taking culture into account in the creation of history—with apologies to Thucydides, who too often did not.
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"This is only the foundation of Mr. Sahlins''s complex book, which goes on to address questions of historical causation and agency using a wide variety of examples--including, at one point, Elian Gonzales and the 1951 New York Giants. The complete ramifications of Mr. Sahlins''s argument will be appreciated best by anthropologists and historians. Even for the general reader, however, Apologies to Thucydides has much to offer, as an introduction to an unfamiliar culture and as a new perspective on our own."—Adam Kirsch, New York Sun

(Adam Kirsch New York Sun )

"Sahlins wants to make a place in historical explanation for ideas and passions as well as hunger, fear, and greed. In extended, detailed parallel histories of the Peloponnesian and Polynesian wars, he argues ingeniously in Apologies to Thucydides that both rivalries display a ''competition by contradiction, in which each side organizes itself as the inverse of the other.'' . . . . Sahlins counters with a lucid and convincing account of the ''cultural construction of the forms of human life.'' If, like me, you were skeptical that the phrases ''social construction'' or ''cultural construction'' could ever really do a lick of honest intellectual work, you will be pleasantly surprised. I may have made Apologies to Thucydides sound too formidable; it is witty as well. And there is wisdom where appropriate."—George Scialabba, Boston Globe
(George Scialabba Boston Globe )

"No apologies needed, then, just ''thanks'' to Thucydides for stimulating this creative and insightful investigation of history and culture some 2400 years after his death."—Simon Hornblower and Charles Stewart, Anthropological Quarterly
(Simon Hornblower and Charles Stewart Anthropological Quarterly )

"A demonstration of what a historiography informed by anthropology might look like. Moving easily between concrete cases and general principles, Sahlins makes a compelling argument that there is no history without culture, and vice versa. . . . As a classicist who has benefited from Sahlins''s previous work, I appreciate this view of Greek history through an anthropologist''s eyes. More generally, this book is a paradigm of how history and anthropology might be brought together, to the mutual enrichment of both disciplines."
(William G. Thalmann American Historical Review )

"When the history of anthropology is written . . . Marshall Sahlins will already have had his place etched in stone in the line-up of the brightest and most influential thinkers in the discipline. . . . Apologies to Thucydides, in many ways a culmination of his earlier works, is unswerving in its dedication to rigorous cultural comparisons, the sine qua non of anthropology. . . . So perhaps we should construct his momument now. Or better, since there will be more from Sahlns down the line, just buy the book. . . . Every future can use a large-minded past and a large-minded practitioner or two. This is a book to build on."—Ivan Brady, Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute
(Ivan Brady Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute )

"It would be hard to argue that the year''s most ambitious, and in my opinion, the best and most entertaining work, is Marshall Sahlins'' brilliant Apologies to Thucydides. . . . Sahlins'' attempt is to rethink the nature of historical explanation, his lifelong project, one that continues his profound and daring explorations into the ways in which history and anthropology might be though of as overlapping, rival and complementary disciplines attempting to account for the same types of actions, events and structures."—Andrew Hadfield, Year''s Work in Critical and Cultural Theory
(Andrew Hadfield Year's Work in Critical and Cultural Theory )

"This is an important book, and a remarkable one too. It is definitely an important moment of modern reception of Thucydides outside the constituency of classicists; it is a bold and analogical study of ancient and modern history with an anthropological approach. . . . Students of classical antiquity are likely to find the whole book interesting in various respects."—Federico Santangelo, Anzeiger fuer die Altertumswissenschaft
(Federico Santangelo Anzeiger fuer die Altertumswissenschaft )

"The remarkable work under review by Marshall Sahlins, for which he need apologise to no one, has cleared the path of fashionable dead wood and opened the way to a history that includes culture, and it should lead to much further enterprise in the study of Pacific culture and history."—Kerry James, Australian Journal of Anthropology
(Kerry James Australian Journal of Anthropology )

"It would be a great pity if the readership of these brilliant essays were restricted to anthropologists or to historians of Polynesia. . . . Sahlins has raised questions that all practicing historians need to think about and has offered them some fresh answers."
(Peter Burke Journal of Modern History )

"This is an awe-inspiring work. . . . Classicists have plenty to learn from Sahlins on Thucydides, not least self-awareness about some of our disciplinary blind-spots. More broadly, Sahlin''s trenchant discussion of historical agency and historical contingency will give students of history much to think about. . . . [The book]  demonstrates the potential for intelligent interdisciplinary conversations to take the study of Thucydides in new directions."
(Emily Greenwood Journal of Hellenic Studies )

About the Author

Marshall Sahlins is the Charles F. Grey Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Anthropology at the University of Chicago. The author of numerous books, Sahlins is a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and a member of the National Academy of Sciences.

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  • Hardcover: 320 pages
  • Publisher: University Of Chicago Press; 1 edition (December 1, 2004)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0226734005
  • ISBN-13: 978-0226734002
  • Product Dimensions: 9 x 6.3 x 1.3 inches
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  • Average Customer Review: 3.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (2 customer reviews)
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13 of 13 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Interesting but heavy on jargon, January 28, 2006
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Marshall Sahlins uses two seemingly unrelated episodes in history to question the narrative form of historiography with which we all grew up. He compares the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Greece with the nineteenth century conflict between Rewa and Bau, two Fijian kingdoms. Both featured an expansive, sea-going empire versus a more insular, land-oriented opponent.

Sahlins makes a very good case for the conflicts being driven by geography and culture, more than great men. He uses the two wars to illustrate the differences between narrative history and the more modern cultural view. He even recounts the 1951 National League pennant race between the Dodgers and the Giants to illustrate his point.

Although I prefer narrative history, with its seeming movers and shakers, and its chronological descriptions of events. I have to admit that Sahlins makes very good points for "Understanding History as Culture and Vice Versa" as he subtitled this book. My only real complaint, and this extends to most works of this genre, is its intensive use of sociological jargon. Some sentences are simply unintelligible to a sociologically untrained, but otherwise literate reader.

That said, this is a good read, and certainly expanded my horizons.
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4 of 19 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Disappointing and ill thought out, August 4, 2006
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With a title like "Apologies to Thucydides," what I was expecting was a more anthropological view on Thucydides' material. What I got what Sahlin's shaky justification for his tenuous and, dare I say, boring thesis.

Within the first few pages I knew this book wasn't going to be what I was hoping for, but I stuck with it, only to be thoroughly confused at the random trains of thought expressed. It seems to me that Sahlins had a list of things to tie the Pelopennesian War to before he wrote the book, and just did whatever he could to connect them. The purpose behind this is dubious and isn't explained in a satisfying manner at all.

I just fail to see the value in this book. My recommendation: don't waste your time. The book I was looking for, as far as I'm concerned, hasn't come out yet.
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