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78 of 82 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Invaluable, authoritative, probably the "best",
This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
Comparing this, the 17th edition of the best known and arguably the most authoritative collection of quotations ("familiar," memorable, or just plain quotable--you choose the terminology), to its predecessor the 16th edition, the question arises, should you upgrade? I own both books and have examined them in some detail. I have used the 16th for many years.
The 17th is set in a new typeface which is both slightly narrower and less bold than that of the 16th. The result is a cleaner look to the pages and more white space. The difference in the number of pages--1431 for the new, 1405 for the old--is slight, and a little misleading. In fact the new edition has more entries--"around one hundred" authors are quoted for the first time, and some authors have additional entries. But the text in the 17th actually takes up less room. Its Index, for example, although it has more entries, has only 564 pages to 608 for the 16th. This is accomplished mainly because the narrower type is also shorter, allowing more entries per column. The question then is, is the smaller type harder to read? Surprisingly, I would say no. The new type is sharper, crisper and, because the pages have a cleaner appearance, is easier on the eyes. I have a strong suspicion that the publishers--whose investment in this most famous and most important reference work is considerable--tested the readability of their new type before adopting it! Some additional space, according to editor Justin Kaplan, has been gained by the elimination of "several hundred purely mechanical and nonsubstantive cross-references." For example in the 16th on page 247 is given this quotation from Fredrich von Logau: "Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small." A footnote at the bottom of the column refers us to Euripides and George Herbert who wrote something similar. In the 17th that footnote is gone and we have no handy reference to the two earlier instances of von Logau's expression. I think this is a clear loss and not something simply "mechanical and nonsubstantive" as editor Justin Kaplan has it in his Preface to the Seventeenth Edition. (p. viii) Okay, what about the new authors being quoted and the additional quotations by authors already present in the 16th addition? Do they constitute a significant upgrade? This is a question difficult to answer partly because only time will tell if the new additions--many of them are so new--will really remain worth remembering. Bill Clinton's rather infamous "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" surely will be around for a while, but film director Cameron Crowe's "Show me the money!" from his film Jerry Maguire (1997) may not seem so memorable or familiar a generation or two down the road. (Or maybe I have that backwards!) A quick way to address the question of whether the new quotations are worthwhile is to look at the last pages of entries just before the Anonymous section. Because Bartlett's presents its quotations chronologically, from the earliest (the first quote is from the Egyptian The Song of the Harper 2650 B.C.) to the latest (Sesame Street's Kermit the Frog's "It ain't easy bein' green") most of the new entries are near the back. By the way, technically speaking, Kermit the Frog's dictum is older than Cameron Crowe's movie. But that is a quibble. Of course there are additions that are not from new authors. French mathematician, Pierre de Fermat, who does not appear in the 16th, appears here in the 17th, noting that his "truly marvellous" proof for his famous Last Theorem, will not fit into "this margin." Fermat was rediscovered by Bartlett's no doubt because in 1994 Andrew Wiles finally proved the theorem--taking considerably more than a margin to do it, by the way. Some other authors appearing for the first time are Mother Teresa, Richard Feynman, Margaret Atwood, Princes Diana, etc. Vladimir Nabokov, Edith Wharton, Gertrude Stein and W. Somerset Maugham are among about two dozen who have had their space extended. Kaplan doesn't mention it, but there are also some deletions from the previous edition. I was particularly disappointed to find that one of the central tenets of the Vedas, from the Chandogya Upanishad, "Thou art that" was eliminated. Also eliminated (and I think this is to the good) are the Ibid's that sometimes ran all the way down the page in the 16th. Now the title of the work is repeated. If you don't have this reference, you really should get it or the comparable Oxford Dictionary of Quotations. See my review of that very excellent book for a comparison. Suffice it to say here, if you are an American who prefers a slight emphasis on American authors to an emphasis on English authors, you'll want to get this book. Bottom line: no serious writer (especially of literature, culture and history) should be without this invaluable and authoritative book. Next to a dictionary it is my most consulted work of reference.
31 of 33 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Changes in new edition,
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This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
It should be noted that some reviews here refer to editions PRIOR to the new 17th edition of Bartlett's. For example, Ronald Reagan's Berlin speech "...tear down this wall..." is included in this latest edition along with other updates and revisions. I would agree with others that it is probably worthwhile to hold onto earlier editions of timepieces/repositories of additional quotes that, with the march of time, get squeezed out of current and future edtions. Every home should have at least one of these in it though. Nice to see the positive influence of the weekly television treasure, SUNDAY MORNING with Charles Osgood. This book was entertainingly featured yesterday (12/8/02) and visiting Amazon[.com] today, I see the book's sales have jumped 28,150%!
9 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
still the best,
By spiketheartist (Phoenicia, NY United States) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
Bartlett's is still the best resource for researching quotations, better than anything I found on the net, including a site that was called Bartlett's. The print Bartlett's does an excellent job of cross-referencing, so when I wanted to track the original source of a quotation, only the print Bartlett's solved the problem. That's why I bought this copy for my local library. Computers haven't solved every research problem yet.
8 of 8 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
BARTLETT'S QUOTATIONS DESIGNED FOR THE 21st CENTURY,
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This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
At age 82, with a lifetime of writing, speaking, and using appropriate quotes, I have purchased and implemented timely quotations from each new Bartlett's Familiar Quotations. The new 17th Edition has kept pace with the passing years and persons without sacrificing the wisdom of the ages.
Joseph Taylor Grafton, WI 53024
25 of 33 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars
Organization and Format Lacking,
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This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
Before buying this book, I was influenced by the name recognition of Bartletts and bought the book mainly for itsknown reputation in the past. I was very disappointed! Half the book is an index and, even then, to see the complete quotation, you have to look up each partial quote for the complete quote. Too much work for me! I returned the book.
7 of 8 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars
Disappointing,
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This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
If you are looking for a book of quotations to browse and gain inspiration, this is not the book you are looking for. It is a reference and is as boring to read as any other reference you might come across. One-fourth of the book is an index of authors. Some of the choices about who is included and not seems arbitrary and disappointing. For example, you can find Ann Landers but not Robert F Kennedy quoted within.
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Good for reference but some essential authors and quotes are missing,
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This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
I like a good quote but this book lacks some of the more brilliant quotes I have read. Goethe's quotes are good but very standard and I have found better quotes by Goethe in other places such as the Stampy Says website and some of the more obscure German sites. Eliphas Levi is not to be found in this book, neither is Steiner.
"Weak people talk and do not act, strong people act and keep silent." (Eliphas Levi, 1870) Overall, Bartlett's is useful but the most insightful and practical quotes are not in this book, they are elsewhere.
5 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
Priceless for students, great for researchers and excellent for literature lovers.,
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This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
This review is for the book, not the CD ROM or any other Bartlett's related electronic media.
If you consider yourself well read, it will not take you long to find out where "Bartlett's Familiar Quotations" fails and find yourself somewhat disappointed. If you don't read a lot and use the book for school or reference, it will probably be adequate. Certainly, no book of quotations can be exhaustive and Bartlett's never claims to be, there are; however, some vital literary idioms that are noticeably missing. Having covered the book's shortcomings, I cannot point out that as a resource and reference this book can be not only helpful, but indispensable for college students. "Bartlett's Familiar Quotations" is like the King of the Cliff's Notes research, and just like Cliff's Notes, His Majesty should never be used to replace the material it summarizes. A basic understanding of the context of the book's quotations is far more valuable than the quotes themselves. REVIEW EVERY BOOK YOU READ!
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
used book excellent condition and a good transaction,
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liked the book and got it a great price.
words of wisdom over the centuries.
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Classic Quote Collection,
This review is from: Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: A Collection of Passages, Phrases, and Proverbs Traced to Their Sources in Ancient and Modern Literature (17th Edition) (Hardcover)
Bartlett's familiar quotations is a gem in the quote book industry. If you can afford it, this book will give you an enormous collection of quotes that you might never be able to read from start to finish. It is a nice book to have on your office book shelf to grab if you ever are having a bad day and you need some motivation. Tons of older quotes in this one. If that is your thing, you will love it!
Enjoy! Todd Hagopian President/CEO Hagopian Institute Author of the popular "Quote Junkie" book sereies and the brand new "Idiom Junkie" series |
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