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34 of 52 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Great and provocative history
There are a lot of uninformed reviews on this forum, by people who clearly have not read, let alone understood the book, Black Athena.

This book is not about whether the Ancient Egyptians were Black, or whether Greek civilization as it exists today and became known to the Romans was a wholesale copy of Egyptian civilization, as it obviously wasn't...
Published on June 21, 2003 by AK van Deelen

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189 of 242 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Fascinating for all the wrong reasons
By all reports Martin Bernal is a respected scholar. Although his professional studies have focused on China, he attacks the problems of ancient Mediterranean history, archaeology, linguistics, and modern European intellectual history with enormous verve, great erudition and amazing breadth. It's therefore fascinating to follow the thread of his argumentation and...
Published on August 20, 1998 by ghicks02@sprynet.com


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189 of 242 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Fascinating for all the wrong reasons, August 20, 1998
This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
By all reports Martin Bernal is a respected scholar. Although his professional studies have focused on China, he attacks the problems of ancient Mediterranean history, archaeology, linguistics, and modern European intellectual history with enormous verve, great erudition and amazing breadth. It's therefore fascinating to follow the thread of his argumentation and note at every turn just how wrongheaded it all is. Here is a serious scholar who seems to believe that everything written by Europeans in the 19th and 20th centuries is corrupted by their conscious or unconscious racism, but that Greek myths or the self-aggrandizing monument inscriptions of Egyptian pharaohs are to be taken as literal truth. Yes, racism played a role in the development of 19th- and 20th-century historical thinking, but so did increasing knowledge. It was possible to imagine that Greek philosophy, religion and mathematics sprang from an Egyptian source when the Egyptian language was unreadable, but with a real understanding of Egyptian writings it became clear that the content and aims of Egyptian thought and religion were just not compatible with later Greek culture. Likewise, it was easy to imagine Egyptian military dominance, and perhaps even colonization, of broad swaths of Europe and Asia until decade after decade of careful archaeological excavation failed to reveal any more evidence of Egyptian presence than could be attributed to trade. But just as Bernal claims (not entirely correctly) that conventional scholarship was tainted by racist assumptions, twisting the evidence to favor the position that Greece developed without significant Semitic or African influence, so does Bernal pick and choose his evidence to support the opposite conclusion. The problem is that in Bernal's case there just isn't a whole lot of real evidence he can use, so he's reduced to fabricating the flimsiest of etymological connections or elevating myths into reliable historical documents.

For the record, the Greek lexicon does not contain a large number of Egyptian or Semitic loan words. The fact that Egypt is situated in Africa does not make its inhabitants "black" in the modern sense (e.g., physically similar to the sub-Saharan African population) any more than living in Asia makes Syrians Chinese. There is no archaeological evidence suggesting any multi-year campaign of conquest by any Egyptian pharaoh, much less colonization of the Aegean by Egyptians or post-expulsion Hyksos. And, regardless of what Bernal seems to think, showing that something might conceivably have been so doesn't remotely begin to constitute proof that it was so.

Perhaps the saddest thing about Black Athena is the fuel it gives to the Afrocentrist movement, which seems to subsist on a feeling that people of African descent can only feel good about themselves if their ancestors can be shown to have been the real founders of European culture. In its own unfortunate way, this belief is as Eurocentric as the one Bernal imputes to 19th-century scholars. Why isn't Egyptian civilization, or more to the point that of ancient Nubia or the Mali Empire, important in and of itself? Black Athena offers its readers an attractive mirage, but what will they be left with if (and when) the mirage dissolves?

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55 of 72 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars A Very Modern Myth, February 5, 2002
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
Few books have caused as much scandal and controversy in the cloistered world of the classics as Black Athena. In this book, Martin Bernal argues with great clarity and a formidable amount of learning that the roots of classical Greek civilisation depended to a far greater extent than is generally acknowledged in Egypt and Phoenicia and that, from the late eighteenth century onwards, the racism (conscious or otherwise) of European scholars resulted in a kind of academic "cover-up", to the extent that nowadays this Eurocentric tradition has become so firmly entrenched in the canons of classical scholarship that it has contaminated all subsequent research.
Therein lies the virtue of this book. Any work which comes along and challenges the basic assumptions of any discipline is of great intrinsic value, as it forces the scholars to sit up and reconsider the foundations of their beliefs, and since Black Athena was first published there has been much "soul-searching" done by many classicists and ancient historians. Unfortunately, the book is deeply flawed in numerous respects. Firstly, the quality of the evidence he quotes is, at a generous assessment, flimsy. Bizarre and deeply questionable etymologies from Egyptian and the Semitic languages are no substitute for the complete lack of any archaeological evidence for a significant Egyptian presence in Greece in the period in question. His "unholy trinity" of Christianity, Romanticism and political conservatism which created the Eurocentricism supposedly inherent in the classics does not work - the best example of a historical person who subscribes to these views he could find was the poet Shelley, who was a radical atheist. Moreover, the entire premise of the book is entirely Eurocentric - why should African or Semitic civilisation need to be vindicated by contributing to European civilisation? Both the Hebrew culture of the Near East and the kingdoms of ancient Egypt were impressive enough in their own right - why does Bernal feel that in order to be valued they ought to have contributed to the roots of Europe? When Bernal devotes so much of his work to condemning 19th century scholarship for succumbing to "externalist" pressures, one can't escape the feeling that this is what vitiates "Black Athena" too. I am not closed to the possibility of Eastern influences on Greek culture - I accept that in terms of architecture, the visual arts, the social make up of the Minoan and Mycenean kingdoms and even the epics of Homer were to an extent influenced by Near Eastern or Egyptian precedent. But I cannot believe that the Greeks were incapable of innovation, which Bernal seems to imply, and nor do I accept that Egypt and Phoenicia need Europe in order to be admired. All in all, Black Athena is a fascinating and valuable book - the only flaw is that it is wrong.
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19 of 25 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Entertaining, July 26, 2002
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
It is obvious that the thesis in this book is more an attempt to prove a hypothesis rather than to arrive at a conclussion through scientific research.

I was particularly disappointed to see that Mr Bental seems to have neglected to take into account facts that contradict his hypothesis while at the same time relying on some inaccurate research to prove it.
(e.g. Aristotle died 25 years before the library of Alexandria, from which Mr Bental claims Aristotle borrowed some of his ideas, was put together)

The book is unfortunately riddled with historical inaccuracies and although it makes an entertaining read fails to convenience the informed reader.

It is sad to see a bright academic deviating from scientific principles in support of cultural and ideological beliefs.

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38 of 53 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Fuzzy math-or sociology?, May 12, 2001
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
Here's a model for those unsatisfied with history: Re-write it!

There is overwhelming evidence to support the fact that the majority of Greeks are Indo-European. This is quietly ignored in the book.

The greatness of Greek civilization was of their own making. Briefly, look the culmination of the Greek's art, philosophy, drama, etc and compare. From which Africans exactly did the Greeks copy the Olympics? Oedipus Rex? Shock troops(i.e. the phalanx)?

This book could only have been published in the current revisionist era, otherwise, it gets laughed out of any publisher's office.

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30 of 42 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Lack of real facts is what makes this book dangerous, February 28, 1998
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
It is totally unreasonable to believe the entire legacy of Greek civilization did not contain anything that the Greeks themselves contributed. It is also inaccurate to assume that Egyptians were all black. It is plausible that the Greeks learned from the Egyptians just as it is equally plausible that the Egyptians learned from the Greeks. A good book to read is "Not Out of Africa: How Afrocentrism Became an Excuse to Teach Myth as History" by Mary Lefkowitz. Lefkowitz shows that the foundations of Bernal's claims are shaky at best. Lefkowitz says that Bernal's claims need to be put under the same academic scrutiny that other claims would go through. Unfortunately, racism is used as an argument instead of a true debate of the facts
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29 of 42 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Absurd, shoddy scholarship, July 10, 1998
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
There is a strange phenomenon in our society to not believe the obvious and to belief the absurd - i.e. we can't explain how Stonhenge was built so therefore it must be built by aliens. Bernal's shoddily researched and poorly reasoned book is just that. There should be a special section created in bookstores for books of this nature, it belongs with "Rosewell The Day After", and the host of other pseudo science & history books all too common these days.
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20 of 29 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars An intellectual history of modern historical abberation, May 20, 2002
This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
This book and the major part of the reactions to it are an insightful source into the regrettable current going on in modern U.S. history-writing to bend all historical discussions to fit modern political debate. However, they offer little more than that; on the contrary, Bernal as well as Lefkowitz et al. seem blind to facts or trains of thought that are contrary to their own preferred insights. This is a *very* dubious way of conducing historical research and the whole debate is eventually thoroughly meaningless. One for the scrapheap of history.
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30 of 44 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Ugh, October 25, 2001
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
I guess I knew the whole Black Greece concept is passe, but after reading this drivel, I need to point out a comparison. Please read Lefkovitz's "BLACK ATHENA REVISITED" and compare. Bernal is anything but academic on this one issue.
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29 of 43 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars pedestrian propaganda, June 17, 2003
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
By all reports Martin Bernal is a respected scholar. Although his professional studies have focused on China, he attacks the problems of ancient Mediterranean history, archaeology, linguistics, and modern European intellectual history with enormous verve, great erudition and amazing breadth. It's therefore fascinating to follow the thread of his argumentation and note at every turn just how wrongheaded it all is. Here is a serious scholar who seems to believe that everything written by Europeans in the 19th and 20th centuries is corrupted by their conscious or unconscious racism, but that Greek myths or the self-aggrandizing monument inscriptions of Egyptian pharaohs are to be taken as literal truth. Yes, racism played a role in the development of 19th- and 20th-century historical thinking, but so did increasing knowledge. It was possible to imagine that Greek philosophy, religion and mathematics sprang from an Egyptian source when the Egyptian language was unreadable, but with a real understanding of Egyptian writings it became clear that the content and aims of Egyptian thought and religion were just not compatible with later Greek culture. Likewise, it was easy to imagine Egyptian military dominance, and perhaps even colonization, of broad swaths of Europe and Asia until decade after decade of careful archaeological excavation failed to reveal any more evidence of Egyptian presence than could be attributed to trade. But just as Bernal claims (not entirely correctly) that conventional scholarship was tainted by racist assumptions, twisting the evidence to favor the position that Greece developed without significant Semitic or African influence, so does Bernal pick and choose his evidence to support the opposite conclusion. The problem is that in Bernal's case there just isn't a whole lot of real evidence he can use, so he's reduced to fabricating the flimsiest of etymological connections or elevating myths into reliable historical documents.

For the record, the Greek lexicon does not contain a large number of Egyptian or Semitic loan words. The fact that Egypt is situated in Africa does not make its inhabitants "black" in the modern sense (e.g., physically similar to the sub-Saharan African population) any more than living in Asia makes Syrians Chinese. There is no archaeological evidence suggesting any multi-year campaign of conquest by any Egyptian pharaoh, much less colonization of the Aegean by Egyptians or post-expulsion Hyksos. And, regardless of what Bernal seems to think, showing that something might conceivably have been so doesn't remotely begin to constitute proof that it was so.

Perhaps the saddest thing about Black Athena is the fuel it gives to the Afrocentrist movement, which seems to subsist on a feeling that people of African descent can only feel good about themselves if their ancestors can be shown to have been the real founders of European culture. In its own unfortunate way, this belief is as Eurocentric as the one Bernal imputes to 19th-century scholars. Why isn't Egyptian civilization, or more to the point that of ancient Nubia or the Mali Empire, important in and of itself? Black Athena offers its readers an attractive mirage, but what will they be left with if (and when) the mirage dissolves?

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31 of 46 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Stupid but Entertaining!, October 7, 2002
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This review is from: Black Athena: The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization (The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985, Volume 1) (Paperback)
With this book, Mr. Bernal is trying to put down everything European civilization stood and still stands for. If everything Greek was stolen from the Egyptians and Phoenicians, as Mr. Bernal claims, why weren't these two peoples smart enough to write down their brilliant ideas? Answer: because they didn't have philosophy as we know it, or theater or the idea of political systems. These and many others were all Greek inventions.Egyptian civilization was remarkable in its own right and the Greeks were influenced by Egyptian art in the Archaic period, but that is really it. The Greeks had their own culture and their own ideas. The person who knows the classics well will be entertained by the factual mistakes made by Mr.Bernal and by his ridiculous hypothesis. This book is only an attempt to bring down the glorious Greek civilization and European civilization in general.
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