BlueSource HYR270 HydroRight Drop-in Dual Flush Converter by MJSI

by MJSI, Inc.

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MJSI’s HYR270 HydroRight drop-in dual-flush converter can save a family of four more than 15,000 gallons of water per year by providing users a choice between a full or reduced flush. Designed and patented to simply drop in to your toilet tank and attach to the existing flush valve, installation of the HydroRight requires no tank removal or tools and can be completed in less than 10 minutes. The HydroRight works with all standard two- and two-and-a-half-inch flush valves and provides consumers an inexpensive, hassle-free way to save water.

HYR270 HydroRight Drop-In Dual-Flush Converter At A Glance: Uses up to 70 percent less water for liquids and paper Installs without tools in 5 to 10 minutes—tank removal not required Works with all standard-flush valves Requires 10-inch minimum clearance from highest point of the flush valve opening to the inside of the tank lid

MJSI's HydroRight dual-flush converter easily and inexpensively transforms your standard toilet into a water- and money-saving appliance (view larger).

Saving Water and Money
Central to dual-flush technology is the water savings that can be realized by a quick-flush setting using lower water volumes for liquids and paper. A second, full-flush setting uses the standard amount of water for solids. Industry experts agree that four out of five flushes require only the amount of water used in the quick-flush setting—meaning 80 percent of flushes waste money and water on all toilets that are not dual flush. An independent study found that the HydroRight showed average water savings of 30 percent, with some instances reaching up to 50 percent. Not only does the HydroRight help to preserve natural resources, it also proves to be more economical than purchasing an entirely new dual-flush toilet, which can cost upward of several hundred dollars.

The Case for Dual-Flush Technology
Arriving first as dual-flush toilets, more recent plumbing innovation has produced dual-flush converters that retrofit existing toilets into dual-flush systems. The HydroRight converter includes a two-button handle that gives users the ability to select the amount of water being used during the flush: the quick flush for liquids and paper and the full flush for solids. Adjusting the water flow for both flushes is quickly and easily done inside the tank thanks to the HydroRight. In addition, because the HydroRight’s dome gasket sits in the drain hole rather than a flapper, problems associated with flappers—like leaks and broken or tangled chains—are eliminated. The USEPA estimates that 20 percent of all toilets leak up to 200 gallons of water a day (the equivalent of 73,000 gallons a year), mostly because of faulty flappers. Not with the HydroRight: To install, remove the old flapper and handle, slide dual flush down the overflow tube inside your tank and tighten, and replace the handle with button and set the quick-flush amount. No more jiggling the handle to flush properly.

Industry-Leading Innovation
MJSI, Inc., headquartered in Shorewood, Illinois, is the manufacturer of a portfolio of products that are devoted to water conservation and sound environmental plumbing. Recognized as toilet-efficiency experts, MJSI’s innovation has expanded the plumbing market from repairs to improvements in efficient toilet construction. Not only is the HydroRight the recipient of the Chicago Innovation Award, it has also been awarded numerous honors by Popular Mechanics, Handy magazine, and Hardware Retailing magazine.

What's in the Box
One MJSI HYR270 HydroRight drop-in dual-flush converter, one two-button flush handle, one cam adjuster, two zip ties, and installation instructions.

The HydroRight is easy to install in your toilet's tank and connects to a two-button handle, allowing for quick-flush and full-flush capabilities (click each to enlarge).

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* Dual toilet valve * Quick flush for liquids and papers saves up to 70% per flush * No tank removal required * Compatible with and may enhance the water saving features of water sense leaders Kohler, American Standard and Briggs * No tools needed for installation * Replaces the flapper, which is the biggest source of leaks * 0.9 lbs

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Product Details

• Product Dimensions: 5.5 x 3.5 x 11.5 inches ; 14.4 ounces
• Shipping Weight: 13.6 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
• Shipping: This item is also available for shipping to select countries outside the U.S.
• ASIN: B002NKRR7Y
• Item model number: HYR270
• Average Customer Review: 3.6 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (393 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #4,328 in Home Improvement (See Top 100 in Home Improvement)
  • #18 in Home Improvement > Rough Plumbing > Toilet Parts

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319 of 325 people found the following review helpful:

1.0 out of 5 stars Great idea - with two BIG problems for common toilets. A response (with fixes) to the complaints..., October 1, 2010

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This review is from: BlueSource HYR270 HydroRight Drop-in Dual Flush Converter by MJSI (Tools & Home Improvement)

UPDATE (Dec 2011):
At Home Depot today I saw an end cap with an infomercial running about this gizmo. However, I took one out of the box, and I was so disappointed to see the same darn paper-thin gasket that I (and many others) have reported to them over the past 2 years. Additionally, the Home Depot staff said they get a lot of returns on this item.

This company knows that their gasket is too thin, causes leaks, and that including a higher grade gasket would cost them very little (approx 20¢ per unit). Somehow they can find the budget to launch a Home Depot marketing campaign & produce a new infomercial, but can't spend an extra 20¢ per product to prevent the headaches they care causing to home owners. This is so offensive to me that I'm dropping my review to 1-star.

Also I'll add that my fixes work, but the silicone seal is NOT a permanent solution (already had to replace it once). If this gizmo is not read to use out-of-the-box, and requires annual or semi-annual maintenance, it is NOT ready for the market. If you want a dual flush, you can get a brand new toiled for under $100.

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Ok, I also had two problems when installing this, and I have fixes for the 30+ people who have complained about similar install problems (same root problem in almost every instance). I predict that for MOST people, this dual flush device will not be an "out-of-the box" solution - you will need some troubleshooting not included in the instructions.

But I also predict that because of bad installs, some folks here (not realizing it yet) will have running toilets, or will actually use MORE water on the low-flush feature than they did before! Unless you measure it like I did, you'll never know. This is a SERIOUS problem this company needs to address, costing lots of money and wasted water - and homeowners may never even know it!

I feel ~really~ bad for the folks who spent hours & hours wrestling with this device, but I promise these 5-minute fixes will work. I wholeheartedly agree that there are design flaws here, but finding a workaround saved me the hassle of returning it & messing around with another brand (and probably an entirely new set of problems).

I'm going to stress - you CAN get this to work with your older toilet, and you do NOT need the HydroClean (or any other) device to make this work. I like the HydroClean unit, but IT IS NOT NECESSARY to install your dual flush converter.

FIRST: THE LOW-FLUSH FEATURE ISN'T WORKING FOR YOU

Again, I totally agree - the instructions aren't clear. I had to try 20-30 flushes before my "Ah-ha" moment.

If your low-flush doesn't work, 99% chance the problem is water level is too low. It's not getting enough water to flush. Do NOT hold down the flush button to get this to work - if you have to do that, it that means you're using more water than before! And do NOT flush twice To "fix" the problem - just read on...

Solution (bottom line): You need to set the float level for the low-flush (the blue tab) 1/2" BELOW where you want the water line (yes, below). Then, the water line has to be about 2" ABOVE the float, so it can use roughly 2" of water on a low flush. I know it sounds odd, but try a flush - if it doesn't work, keep adjusting the low-flush water level up a notch. I PROMISE - this will work.

I know it sounds backwards - but to save water you will need to keep MORE water in your tank. The water is not actually used each flush - it just needs 1.5" to 2", which should translate to .6 gallons or less. (My low-flush setting uses .4 gallons, which is efficient and also 33% less water than national standards for even a urinal).

If you have a HydroClean installed, it may actually be getting in your way. So set the float/fill level to the near maximum setting. With my HydroClean, my previous setting was about 1.1 gallons with my toilet (I thought I was saving water this way). But with the dual converter installed, I had to add nearly 50% more water to the tank - so that the low-flush feature can work right.

Now my main flush uses 1.2 gals (about 25% less water than national standards), and my low-flush works great too.

SECOND: YOUR TOILET IS RUNNING

Some people may not even realize that their new dual flush converter is running. A running toilet will definitely waste more water than it saves - possibly wasting hundreds or thousands of gallons a month!!!

The problem is the blue "silicone" flapper gasket is CHEAP thin rubber. If it's not perfectly straight, the rubber will fold or ripple & allow water to seep into the tank. Frankly, I would suspect 75% of all users will immediately or eventually experience this. It's a bad design, almost a defect (it needs to be larger & sturdier).

I had to refit this 3 or 4 times, but the problem is, once the entire dual-flush contraption is fully installed, you can't see the blue gasket to confirm it makes a good seal. You MUST listen to the toilet a few hours after install, to see if it runs (or add a blue cleaning disc or some food coloring to your tank, then check the color of the bowl later). This can waste 10-100 gallons per DAY (yes, up to 100 gallons) - so if your goal in using the dual flush is to save water, think twice.

Solution (bottom line): You will most likely need to seal it with a waterproof silicone sealant or high-grade waterproof caulk.

A third potential problem is replacing your flush handle with the new dual-flush "button". If your handle is off to the side of your toilet tank, if you have a triangle-shaped toilet, or if your toilet is right against the wall, then you (or your guests) won't be able to see which button to push.

I give this 5 stars for ingenuity, but 1 star for major design flaws.

202 of 207 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Great product/customer support, October 9, 2009

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N. Morton "musiclover" (Arkansas) - See all my reviews
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I ordered this for the obvious reason to save water. As a male gets older, he needs to do the "liquid" flush more often.
It's important to heed what they say for tank clearance...ours barely made it! But with EXCELLENT customer support, (I was able to speak to the inventor himself), they were able to walk me through the adjustments.....Problem is, it didn't work on the small flush....my old water valve would not allow the tank to fill enough to do the job. I was advised to order their HydroClean water valve ($9.00+s & h), which is adjustable, so you can raise the level of the water in the tank to work the short flush.....this means you'll use a little more water on the long flush, but most of us don't use that that often. I only ordered one of the water valves because I wanted to make sure it would all work.....and IT REALLY DOES!!!!
The bottom line here is that, with their customer support (who all spoke perfect English, located in Illinois) were so great and helped me work through the problems. I installed the HydroRight on both toilets and have a HydrClean on order for the 2nd one.
I highly recommend the product.
PS. The people that wrote about their problems, most likely did not let the product support people help them.

48 of 51 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Great product, easy install, September 23, 2009

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This review is from: BlueSource HYR270 HydroRight Drop-in Dual Flush Converter by MJSI (Tools & Home Improvement)

I did not pay attention to this detail: the HydroRight Dual Flush is not compatible with ballcock valves, so I had to replace the valve first (paid another $12 for each replacement, but it was my fault anyway). I bought two units for testing, replacing the master bath first, which I did in about 20 minutes, including replacing the ballcock valve, no big deal. Adjustments were simple and quick. When I installed the second unit in another bathroom, I noticed the tank was leaking water slowly through the overflow tube, something I had not noticed when the original ballcock was in. It took me a while, but I was able to track the problem down to a crack at the bottom of the overflow tube, which I had to replace, but the problem was completely solved. Thanks to this decision to 'go green', my water savings will be even better than I had originally anticipated. Now I am buying another one for the last toilet at the house.