This series is horrible as the movie the characters "Kill God!". Parents need to ensure children do not get their hands on these books. If you put bad thoughts and ideas into your child's mind you get bad actions, put in good thoughts and ideas and you get good results.
Children are not dumb. They will be able to tell the difference between reality and fiction, obviously you have not read this book and if you did you would see that the story clearly is not true. The best you can do is show your children that the way if the Lord is true. They need to find out for themselves that the way of the Lord is right because if you simply tell them that this is what they need to do, they will not understand why, and most likely if they do not understand something, they will not follow. If their relationship with the Lord is strong, and you can help in that aspect, a simple book like this that isn't even real will do nothing to the level of their faith.
This is a fun series. Children are entitled to make up their own mind to be religious or not. It is not up to the parents to decide. Parents should tell their kids their own views, and allow children to make up their own minds. This book is one man's ideology instilled into a fantasy series. It was well written, and frankly a good break from Mr. Lewis' "shove christianity down your throat" series. To be honest, I loved both series, Chronicles of Narnia and Dark Materials. Both are great fantasy reads. From the political/religious standpoint, Chronicles of Narnia is way over the top, (come on, using an animal to witness the rising of christ). That to me was hilarious. Dark Materials is not about killing god, yes I have read the series. It is about opening up your mind to a different view point, the idea of there being no god, the idea of parallel universes. To be honest, this is a fantasy book. I find your remark completely baseless, and rather comical at best, with no real reasoning skill what so ever. Just b/c a child reads a book about some author who writes a fantasy series with underlying atheist views, doesn't mean this person is going to commit senseless acts of violence(bad actions) or anything of that nature. That depends on their upbringing. Frankly, I'm glad pullman wrote this, its a break from the "christianity shoved down your throat" series that are out there.
Frankly, you are what is wrong with this world. A child is entitled to not have their mind warped into a certain way of thinking. Frankly if you give a child options, and let them do some soul searching, I am sure they will find their way, and won't be as confused. Children will continually question b/c they are naturally curious beings. They love to question authority b/c to them it is fun and gives them a sense of excitement. If you feel that scaring them into thinking that the only way of thinking is your way, you barracade their mind into a telescopic view, which is very narrow minded and dillusional.
Am I the only person who read these books. No one kills GOD. In one post someone states that the adults "Kill GOD". NO THEY DO NOT!!!! Not one character in any of the three books, lays a finger on GOD. I do not want to spoil the ending for anyone... but this whole "The Children Kill God" thing is getting out of hand. Beginning with the end of the 1st book and most especially in the 3rd book, Religion as a whole (and Chirstianity specifically) are expressed to be bad. I, personally, have no quarrel with this notion. In my humble opinion, if you need religion to be good, and the only reason you do what is right is because you might get punished by an unseen deity, you have some serious issues. These books are Brilliant and my only regret in reading them, is that they came to an end.
D Price is right. NO ONE kills God in these books. In fact, God isn't even in these books. The character S. Wilson mistakenly refers to as "God" is actually someone pretending to be God. And no one kills this impostor either. He dies unintentionally as Will and Lyra try to help him because he appears to be suffering.
It's obvious from your post, S. Wilson's, that you never read the books. Does it embarrass you to make claims about things you don't know? It's usually a good idea to hold your tongue until you actually know what you're talking about. But maybe you've read enough on Amazon's forums and reviews to know it's a lie, and you're happy to do anything to try discount whatever doesn't conform to your religious views. Either way it doesn't give people much confidence in you or your opinions.
Try reading the book before trying to quote it, Wilson.
Please read article that came out yesterday! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22044388/
Finally, a religious voice of reason! Go Sister Rose! And the Catholic Bishops--I am sure happy they are not going to let Bill Donohoe be a Catholic's guide in this country--whew!
From the article:
""`Entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching' The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' Office for Film and Broadcasting gave the film, which is rated PG-13, a warm review. The film is not blatantly anti-Catholic but a "generalized rejection of authoritarianism," it said. While noting the story's "spirit of rebellion and stark individualism," the office said Lyra and her allies' stand for free will in opposition to the coercive force of the Magisterium is "entirely in harmony with Catholic teaching."
Sister Rose Paccate, director of the Pauline Center of Media Studies in Culver City, Calif., said the books portray benevolence toward children and a God figure - just one that's much different than the one Christians know.
She sees irony in calls to shun the film, considering that one of Pullman's central themes is that people should not follow orders and forfeit critical thought.
"If you just say `no' to your kids without engaging in a conversation, they're going to see the movie anyway and all you're teaching them is power, not really teaching your values," Paccate said. "If we have faith, what are we afraid of?""
I am a bit confused... Please link directly to the website where this so called review is located. I cannot find it on http://www.usccb.org/, and I am willing to bet that MSNBC might have possiblity made up the review....
Just copy the link and paste it in your browser! I have no idea how to create a link--and no it is not made up by MSNBC_--give me a break! It is absolutely true--go ahed and google the Catholic Bishop's Conference yourself. he ever biggoted Bill Donohoe is not slamming the Bishp's conference for it also--what a "good" Catholic he is...and yes, Catholics are Christians--in fact, the original Christians!
That's the link to the AP report, which is of course, virtually the same...
Here'a a link on from Catholic.org, with the USCCB's rating listed at the end of the report. I'm assuming this is the article you seem to need to prove this is true. They give it and the even the books a thumb up, hoping it will lead people, children and teens included to think. Quoting the author of the article here: "Will seeing this film inspire teens to read the books, which many have found problematic? Rather than banning the movie or books, parents might instead take the opportunity to talk through any thorny philosophical issues with their teens."
Mmmm--sounds like they are okay with it.
More about Sister Rose Paccatte as well: From her online journal: "I am Sr Rose Pacatte, FSP director of the Pauline Center for Media Studies in Culver City, CA. I have an MEd in Media Studies from the University of London. My primary work is media literacy education for parents and teachers within the context of culture, education and faith formation. I love movies and am the Film/TV columnist for St. Anthony Messenger Magazine."
In her journal: http://journals.aol.com/rosepacatte/MyMovies
"I do think that Pullman's writings ultimately reveal a nihilistic view of life and at the end of the day, shed little light on the meaning of life. The Golden Compass film, however, demonstrates the values and virtues heroism, self-sacrifice and courage that transcend the challenges the characters face. If future films are made, we can hope that they will be consistent with this first film." Wow, now that is coming from someone who has devoted their life to Jesus Christ; not some lay person film reviewer, or even worse, someone like Bill Donohoe.
I know Pullman has had some things to say recently about him (last week), and they were not kind words. I don't blame him. People like Bill Donohoe need help and love and prayers, but that doesn't mean I, or Pullman or anyone has to like him, or let him be there representative and he is the one who started this whole thing, with the evalngelical fundamentalist jumping on his bandwagon. Greediness makes for stange bedfellows, if you ask me.
Sorry if you can't deal with the cut and paste thing, but these articles are all out there and readily available and the Conference has made their judgement--it apparently has just not been posted to the website yet. I'm sure it will be there on Monday, though!
Actually, I double check all "facts", most of the news media is misleading and has an agenda. A little FYI I am not a Christian, and reading the books. But I have serious issues with prompting a movie that is appealing to the younger age group under 7. That has strong issues, that they may not understand at that age group. The reason as a parent you most stay informed of all aspects of popular culture.
I know this but would have not known this with all the brief clipping playing on the ABC family channel, during the weekend airiing of harry potter... They have been advertising the dang movie all weekend. Unless I had physical look up information online. As I said media can be depicted about coverage, reporting and advertising of a product. That had no mention of rating, and had my 5 year old and seven year old squealing about the giant polar bears and the cute little critter.... And this is how I ended up here. After watching hours of Harry Potter movies and rereading the dang things again for tenth time...
You obviously haven't read Pullman's novels, and you DIDN'T comment on them here. This is a place to comment on his novels, not write your bigoted words. Keep them to yourselves please. If you had read his work, you would know "kill god" is not a theme within the novels. Check the books out and get educated before you comment.
Funny--it seems the people posting "reviews" without having even read the books and bashing a movie that hasn't even been released into theatres yet are the ones with the agendas! What is even more amazing is the flip-flopping agenda of the "media." Exactly which media are you referring too? The right wing media? That is constantly screaming out how secular our poor country (ie US) is becoming? Or the left wing media run by all the atheists? Do I car if you're not a Christian??? And now you're tryin to say they are "selling" the movie to an "under 7" crowd? Please, give me a break--it isn't like any 7 year olds are being dropped off by their parents to go see a PG 13 movie at the local multi plex now, even in our crazy world.