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42 of 50 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Very enlightening reading,
By Mr. Vesa Peltomaki (Finland) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
John DeFrancis' book The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy is the best book I have read on the Chinese language. It explains in great detail what the Chinese language and its ancient writing system is all about. It is also great fun to read. Based on his profound understanding of the language and its teaching methods, Mr. DeFrancis, in this book, contradicts all misconceptions, myths and fantasies that people may have about the subject. And there are lots of them. He begins the book by telling a long-winded joke about a Language Committee that was founded by the Japanese during World War II. Its task was to prepare for changing the writing systems of all major world languages into using the Chinese language writing method in case the Japanese emerge victorious and become the rulers of the world. This way, by comparing the two writing systems Mr. DeFrancis makes it abundantly clear that most ideas people have about the Chinese language and its writing system lay on a very shaky foundation. I'll try to mention some points here although it has been a while since I read the book. For a Western person, it is very difficult to say anything even remotely meaningful about the Chinese language before he has spent a good number of years studying it. We are told, for example, that there is such a thing as the Chinese language, and that it is universally spoken and understood, written and read by all Chinese-speaking people. This is one of the misconceptions Mr. DeFrancis attacks: most of the so-called dialects of the Chinese language are in fact completely different languages with mutual differences as great as those between English and German, or French and Spanish. Mandarin Chinese has four tones, whereas Cantonese and Shanghaihua have six and nine, respectively. All of these languages use different words for the needs of the basic daily life and, when they do use the same word for a specific purpose, it is pronounced differently. In Pinyin, it is difficult to see whether we are talking about the same word or not, but still, in the Chinese character writing, the same character will be used. This makes it look, for a Western person, like Chinese was a single language that is used universally by all Chinese-speaking people. Why is it, then, that Mandarin Chinese writing is understood by all Chinese-speaking people all over the world? It isn't, quite simply. Mr. DeFrancis goes on to show how much more difficult it is for a school child in China to learn to read and write as well as most school children using Indo-European languages. He illustrates his point by going through Chinese literacy statistics and expresses his doubts on whether these statistics are true or false. Another explanation for the "easiness of universal understanding of the Chinese character writing" is the use of ideographs. Allegedly, each character describes its object so vividly that it is possible to understand what a Chinese character means - just by looking at it. Mr. DeFrancis takes it upon himself to do this point quite thoroughly. The "one character - one word" -fallacy is also given a good going-over by Mr. DeFrancis. He shows, beyond reasonable doubt, that the Chinese language is in fact constituted of syllables, and that these syllables are written using characters. There are dozens of quite different characters that are pronounced identically. The characters representing each syllable of a word may be selected quite arbitrarily. This is one of the works on the subject of the Chinese language that will really take you beyond myths and fantasies into the real world of facts. Read it and see for yourself.
31 of 37 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Everything You Thought You Knew About Chinese -- and Don't,
By A Customer
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
This is not only the best book I know about Chinese, it is one of the best books I know about language. DeFrancis, a University of Hawaii professor who is a distinguished author of texts for English speaking learners of Chinese, attacks a whole web of misconceptions about the Chinese writing system, in particular, the notion that it works by representing concepts or ideas, rather than sounds and words.The point of attack is a wonderfully whimsical chapter framaed as the notes of a [fictitious] international committee established by the Japanese government during WWII to create a way to write English in kanji -- adapted Chinese characters -- for occupation and reculturation of America. The committee consists of Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese scholars. In the course of presenting the problems facing the group (against the historical background of the problems in adapting Chinese characters to Japanese, Chinese and Vietnamese) it becomes obvious how misleading and wrongheaded is the idea that Chinese writing somehow embodies thoughts rather sounds in spoken languages. In the subsequent chapter, DeFrancis examines in detail the components of the concept-writing idea -- what he calls "myths" about Chinese characters. In the course of these expositions, a reader not only learns a great deal about Chinese languages (there are many) and their written representation, but also about the basic process by which _any_ language is written. (DeFrancis later developed these ideas into another book, "Visible Speech," also recommended. "The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy" remains controversial: some of the myths DeFrancis attacks are held by Chinese about their own language, and DeFrancis is emphatically a non-fan of the Chinese writing system. But DeFrancis argues his case with elegance, deep knowledge, skill at presenting examples which make his points with intuitive directness, and passion. The best part is a reader needs no prior knowledge of Chinese or linguistics at all to appreciate it, only an interest in how people communicate. I recommend it highly to anyone who has this interest in any form.
35 of 44 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
Selective Facts, Strange Fantasy,
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
I have just read this book straight through three times in a row in an effort to make sure that I was not missing or misunderstanding anything. Each time I came away with a greater horror at the inaccurate picture which it creates. Please note that the statements in Mr. DeFrancis book, which is a sustained argument of close to three hundred pages, cannot be thoroughly refuted in a review of the length permitted by this website; what follows is a mere summary of my principal objections to this book.
1. The arguments are circular. We get a pretty strange example of this almost at the outset. Linguists, we are told, prefer to use the word 'language' exclusively to mean the spoken, not the written, word. This is to avoid confusion. Mr. DeFrancis, who has a habit of falling back on every-day common sense only after a couple of pages of mind-numbing obfuscation, ultimately declares that he himself will not follow the advice of these anonymous 'linguists' in his own book: indeed his very title indicates a refusal to follow that advice. Instead, he promises to keep the distinction between writing and speech clear in his own writing, and to use (in what he makes sound like a brilliant solution to a vexing problem, whereas in fact the problem would not have vexed anyone had he himself not brought it up) to use the expressions "spoken language" and "written language". Why then bring up the problem at all? He and his fellow linguists are, it seems, engaged in a "persistent but largely unsuccessful battle against the confusion resulting from the popular use of the term" to mean both writing and speech. He gives two examples of this 'confusion'. First, the statement of a textbook writer that "two thousand [chinese characters] are sufficient for the speech of a well-educated man." DeFrancis comments: "This comment evokes a picture of our 'well-educated man' parading about like a comic strip figure with cahracter-filled balloons coming out of his mouth." Now, is it unclear to anyone that the speech of the well-educated man, according to the textbook writer, would, if written down, require about two thousand characters? Where is the confusion? Every day we see some writing which we cannot decipher and ask: "What does this say?" I suppose DeFrancis would chortle at that and then point out sententiously that it doesn't "say" anything as it is writing, and writing doesn't speak. He goes on to say: "More typically misleading is the frequent dinner-table situation in which Chinese guests, when asked about their language, blandly assume that it is an inquiry about Chinese writing (which may indeed have been the case) or simply do not recognise the distinction and thus regale their listeners by dragging out the shopworn example of how the character for 'woman' and the character for 'child' are charmingly combined to form the character for 'good'. Incongruities and muddleheadedness of the kind just noted irritate scholars...." Let us look closely at this passage; it exhibits three of the most common weapons in the DeFrancis arsenal. First, where is the muddleheadedness? We were told that using the word language to mean only speech, excluding writing, was necessary to avoid confusion, and that this anecdote would be an example of the confusion that might result if we did not make that distinction. On the contrary, however, it is only when we have such a distinction in mind--when we already expect "language" to mean only "speech"--that there is anything wrong with the response of the Chinese dinner guest above. Furthermore, the anecdote is highly suspicious. The imaginary Chinese dinner guest appears to have been asked something quite vague: "Tell us about your language." The scholar who asks so general a question as that has no right to be irritated when the answer does not happen to correspond to the aspect of the Chinese language he had hoped to hear about. Why, then, does this imaginary guest get painted as a muddle-head? 2. DeFrancis makes a highly reductionist argument. In what starts out as a highly accurate, scientific account of the nature of the Chinese writing system, he eventually ends up creating the false impression that Chinese characters are almost all phonetic. This may in itself be a useful counter-weight to the tendency, which indeed existed and exists, to treat Chinese as if it were exclusively ideographic, and which DeFrancis is right to oppose, but he practices an astonishing sleight-of-hand when he leaps from the fact that Chinese characters are largely phonetic to the suggestion that therefore only the phonetic principle deserves attention. He belittles the fact that even the most phonetic characters have a semantic component as well; he utterly neglects the fact that many phonetic elements are not exclusively phonetic at all but have a semantic aspect as well; and, worst of all, he dramatically underestimates the importance of the characters which are not phonetic at all but either pictographic or ideographic. (the sort of "woman+child=good" compounds whose introduction into dinner-table conversation he so deplores.) The way he does this is one of breath-taking cunning. Elsewhere, he rightly condemns the practice of taking the whole contents of large dictionaries as representative of the language, and highlights the importance of looking at characters or words which actually come up in typical prose instead. But here, he simply points out that in the enormous KangXi dictionary, 93% of the characters are of the phonetic-semantic compound variety. This, again, besides ignoring the fact that all of those characters have a semantic component, and that in many of them the phonetic component also has semantic value, also overlooks the fact that in normal Chinese prose characters of the purely ideographic sort will come up far more than 7% of the time. 3. There are also some strange bits of dishonesty here. He makes much of the rebus principle: the character "lai" for "come" is written with an old pictograph for wheat, as the word for wheat was pronounced the same way. He repeates this simple fact a number of times throughout the book, thus working exactly as he accuses his opponents of doing: exaggerating the importance of a small number of characters and ignoring the other types. But the real dishonesty comes when he blithely refers to a large number of simple pictographs as "independent phonetics". By this, he means something like the character "ma" for horse. In the words for mother, and ant, and question, and scold, the "horse" pictograph is indeed phonetic: it tells you how the character is pronounced. But in the word for horse itself, the character is neither phonetic nor following the rebus principle. It means horse, and derives from a picture of a horse. Now, you could argue that once we are familiar with the phonetic nature of the characters which include this element, we can read that information back to the original character itself, but to simply include a great mass of non-phonetic characters among the phonetic ones, in an author who makes so much of strict accuracy and who is so hostile and, I must say, rude to everyone who does not share his own rather sterile concern for semantics, is unforgivable. 4. I want to look more closely at the way he constructs his 'phonetic' argument. Typically, he debunks a somewhat false impression created by the loose talk of people who are not approaching Chinese characters in the spirit of a math teacher: that someone who knows Chinese well can guess the meaning of a character even if he's never seen it before. He refers to a guessing game or a game of twenty questions. But he ignores three things. First, the semantic elements, the radicals, are, if not so helpful as others might have suggested, more helpful than DeFrancis leads us to suppose. Imagine seeing the sentence "There was an X in the garden", X being a word I have never seen before. In English, or in Chinese written with pinyin, there is very little in the context to tell me what X is. In Chinese characters, on the other hand, there might be a great deal. Is there a grass radical? X is almost certainly some kind of plant. An insect radical or a mammal radical? Almost certainly an insect or reptile, or a mammal. I can attest from my own reading of Chinese books that this sort of thing is enormously helpful with some regularity. Secondly, he writes as if the only value of the characters in their semantic aspect is to help someone who has never seen a character before guess its meaning; he ignores the great usefulness of the semantic aspect in remembering the meaning of a character which we may have seen before but not deeply learned. Finally, and amazingly in a book that includes a whole chapter debunking the so-called "monosyllabic myth", he here behaves as if Chinese were indeed monosyllabic: apparently it suits him. Many Chinese words are made up of two characters. Even if I know both characters, I don't necessarily know the two-character word they compose. But perhaps I can guess. Now there are dozens of characters pronounced "yi" and dozens pronounced "shi" and so on. If I simply see pinyin it is highly unlikely that I will know which "yi" is meant, but if I see the character, and I know it is the "yi" that means medicine (not the one that means justice, or interest, or already, or any of the others) I have a good chance of guessing the meaning of the word. If I see pinyin I have no chance. 5. After all of this preparatory obfuscation, he descends into the lowest point of the book. He conducts two "little tests" to find out whether Chinese readers use the ideographic elements in reading. First, he writes a simple sentence that means "I have one older brother and two younger brothers.": "Wo you yi ge ge ge, liang ge di di." Five of the characters he writes correctly; three (two are the same character reduplicated) he writes with another character pronounced the same way. Unsurprisingly, his Chinese readers were able to decipher the sentence. Why didn't he try simply writing every word with the wrong character? Amazingly, he later on contradicts his own point: he tells a story in which, instead of writing the characters "fen dou" meaning "manure bag", some urban cadres wrote the wrong characters: ones meaning "conflict". Of the remaining three characters in the sentence, two were correct and one had the equivalent of a minor spelling error. Nobody, it seems, understood the sentence. So which is it, Mr. DeFrancis? If I write a Chinese sentence with characters which are homonyms of the ones I mean, will people understand it or not? Apparently, when he wants to argue that only phonetics counts, they will; when he wants to show how hard and unreasonable Chinese writing is, they will not. 6. He then proceeds to a "test" which I defy anyone to absolve of gross dishonesty. He takes the first sentence of a story of Lu Xun and rewrites it two ways: one containing only the semantic, and one containing only the phonetic information. He triumphantly emerges with the information that the phonetic elements went much farther to suggest meaning than the semantic ones. (never mind the fact that the whole point of Chinese characters is for phonetic and semantic elements to work together.) But wait--he has dishonestly claimed phonetic information for no fewer than ten of the characters in the sentence. One example: Duo, meaning many. It consists of two characters both pronounced Xi. Where is the phonetic information telling us that the word is pronounced Duo? Perhaps he is using his own (false) principle of reading phonetic information back on a simple character used phonetically in later compounds? But although there is one rare character, having the duo element as a phonetic, which is indeed also pronounced duo, the others in the group are pronounced respectively die, yi, and chi. The mere fact that one single character uses duo as a phonetic element is not enough to reflect a phonetic nature back onto a character which is purely ideographic. Even this shadow of justification does not extend to his inclusion of jin (today) tian (heaven) yue (moon) and the others. On the other hand, he ignores obvious semantic clues. Guang, in which fire and legs, suggestive of a man holding a torch, combine to mean light, is a clear example of the sort of ideographic compound whose existence DeFrancis would love for us to forget: in his supposed semantic rewriting of the sentence, he only gives legs, ignoring the fire! 7. It would be tedious to proceed in this way through the morass that is the remained of this book, but DeFrancis supposed debunking of the "universality myth" has only to be read by a careful, independent-minded critical reader to be laughed at for the absurdity it is. The literate product of Hong Kong, Tokyo, Shanghai, or Seoul, educated traditionally in his own language, can communicate with someone from one of those other cities, even if the two do not speak a single word of the same language, in writing. I myself have profited from this: In Tokyo I was able to ask for a bank, and tell people in a hotel that I wanted tea, and several other things, simply by writing Chinese. DeFrancis preposterous attack on this simple fact consists of saying that if the man from Hong Kong and the man from Beijing are illiterate, they have to spend several years learning to write (and therefore, first, to speak) each other's languages before they can communicate in writing. Since for a Spaniard and a Frenchman the task would presumably be easier if the various Chinese-character-using languages used alphabets. This is the first hint of the obsession with illiteracy which takes over the second half of the book, but I wonder how a publisher let this nonsense get past his desk with a straight face. The Spaniard who is literate in Spanish needs to learn French--still a task of a year or so however closely related the two languages are--before he can correspond with the Frenchman. The literate, educated Japanese can correspond with the literate, educated Beijinger without learning a day's worth of spoken modern Chinese. What part of that does DeFrancis not understand? 8. From someone who knows as much about language as DeFrancis, we had the right to expect the chapter on the "monosyllabic myth" to contain fascinating and penetrating analysis: it could have done so. Instead, DeFrancis gives us an absurdly simplistic picture. In English there are "bound forms", like the two syllables in "coral": they cannot exist without each other; "semi-bound forms" like the -er in teacher, which can exist in other words but never on its own; and "free forms" like the "teach" in "teacher", which can exist on its own. DeFrancis, obsessed with proving that there is nothing in Chinese which we don't already have in our plain English, tries to force Chinese words onto the procrustean bed of this scheme. But already his analysis of English is flawed. The two syllables of "coral" are not at all unable to exist apart from each other; they are, indeed, found in many other words. It is only that in the word coral, neither "cor-" nor "-al" has any independent semantic significance. Now, there is no Chinese character, or at least there are very, very few, which have no semantic significance. Even the two characters in the Chinese word for coral cannot be compared to this: the very nature of the Chinese character, with its semantic element which DeFrancis is trying to hide from us, preclude it. DeFrancis compares "Yuan" to the "-er" in teacher, but it would be better to compare it to the -man in workman: the equality which the Chinese written character imposes on both halves of the word, both in that they are each pronounced with one syllable and in that they take up the same amount of space on the page, militates against DeFrancis' attempt to compare any chinese character to the very subordinate, secondary role played by an English suffix of prefix. (Another quibble here: DeFrancis blithely labels the Chinese "jiao", teach, as a phonetic word. This is insupportable. Half the character is purely semantic. The other half may be described as basically semantic as well, the whole character thus forming an ideographic compound with a phonetic hint in addition, or as basically phonetic with a semantic hint in addition. Every Chinese dictionary I have describes the etymology of the character in purely semantic terms. Even to describe it as phonetic-semantic exaggerates the phonetic element, but to call it "phonetic" pure and simple is a lie, like so much of this book.) What DeFrancis ignores here is the degree to which Chinese differs from English: the hundreds of thousands of words or phrases which are composed of two characters, combined and recombined again and again to form discrete meanings. These are fifty/fifty partnerships quite distinct from the major/minor partnerships of English words with a primary root and a suffix or prefix, and totally unlike the majority of English words whose individual syllables have no individual semantic significance. For DeFrancis to write a whole chapter on the topic and ignore all this is astonishing. 9. DeFrancis behaves as if the "six myths" program absolves him of the responsibility of building an argument in which the conclusions rise logically from the premises. His basic system is, from the fact that there is a phonetic element and the fact that a number of writers who were concentrating on other things did not talk about this fact, to leap to the false conclusion that Chinese is purely phonetic. He next, using a sort of gospel of efficiency which suggests that a written language cannot do anything other than transcribe sounds, blithely assumes that since an alphabet does that job better than Chinese characters can, an alphabet is superior. The second half of his argument is purely bizarre: he devotes essentially the whole of the second half of his book to the question of illiteracy. But, however important the question is, to discuss language policy and take nothing but that question into consideration, would be like writing a book about the whole nutritional policy of a large nation and discussing it purely from the point of view of the nutritional needs of people suffering from celiac disease. Secondly, while the major effort of extending literacy must surely involve the teaching of children, he focuses most of his attention on the learning of writing by illiterate adults, a difficult task in any language. But even here his argument is bizarre. Surely the impressive literacy of Taiwan demonstrates that Chinese characters do not pose an undue burden on the aquisition of the ability to read by ordinary people? No, he says; in a laughably short and dismissive section, he simply declares that it is Taiwan's middle class status and government efficiency which makes it possible. But do sane and honest debaters not believe in comparing like to like, apples to apples and not to oranges? The illiterates of China are a) mostly poor peasants living a lifestyle in which literacy is not obviously necessary and is not encouraged by any local tradition and b) the survivors of the triple trauma of the the wars of the first half of the century, the famines associated with the Great Leap Forward, and the chaos of the Cultural Revolution. Therefore, says DeFrancis, if they are illiterate, it is the Chinese written Character which is to blame? And if Chinese Characters have not hindered the 23 million people of Taiwan from becoming literate, it is not the Characters which are to be credited but their middle-class lifestyle? How did this book get published? 10. On a sidenote, the supposed debunking by DeFrancis of what he calls the myth of Japanese literacy amounts to little more than that people attain the literacy they need for the life they choose to live. How literate does he think the average American is? He calls the Japanese partly illiterate because not many of them can write on a sophisticated level? How many Americans does he think can even read at that level? 11. DeFrancis knows that a great deat of Chinese cannot be written alphabetically and understood; there are simply too many homonyms. (See his attempt to deny this fact for an egriously bad arguement--even at the end of my second year of basic Chinese, I already had more than a dozen fourth-tone "yis" in my notebook.) He tries to solve this problem by declaring that spoken Chinese can be written alphabetically, whereas classical Chinese "of course" cannot (of course we get no analysis of the illuminating facts behind that "of course") and the blithe suggestion that all we have to do is expel those nasty vestiges of classical Chinese from the modern language and all, alphabetically speaking, will be well. Having argued this he has a responsibility to analyze the language for what can and cannot be written alphabetically; he does not do so and does not even approach the task. One gets the impression that he simply has no idea of the gigantic impoverishment his blithe suggestion would wreak on a great language. 12. The argument from "waste of time" is ludicrous. Even allowing that the Chinese child spends more time learning to read and write than does the child in an alphabet-using country, a couple of points bear keeping in mind. DeFrancis behaves as if, once the alphabet is learned, the American (or French, or Russian, etc.) child has completely his task. Remember that the acquisition of Chinese characters keeps pace with that of vocabulary; once you remember how many discrete vocabulary words the learner of a European language must learn, and how, in doing so (unlike in learning Chinese) there are no semantic or ideographic elements in the characters to help, the difference is far smaller. But again, even allowing that the Chinese child does spend more time learning to read and write, where does DeFrancis propose that all those "wasted man-hours" be spent? The last time I looked, the child, both in China and everywhere else, was already using many of his precious "man-hours" playing video games, watching TV, and moping about the house complaining of boredom. Is it for more of such pursuits as those that DeFrancis hopes to free some of the hours now "wasted" on the acquisition of a writing system which is one of the great treasures of world culture? Give us a break. I am reminded of the man in Saint-Exupery who bemoaned the many minutes we "waste" drinking water and hoped to invent a pill to end all that inefficiency. 13. The depressing effect of reading this book comes from several things. First, there is the mind-numbing repetitiousness. DeFrancis on page 69 gives us a quote from Boodberg. He repeats the quote on the bottom of page 144 and then repeats it again, a mere two pages later, at the top of page 147: the total effect of this sort of thing is to imply that he imagines his readers to be nitwits who cannot remember anything from one page to the next. Then there is the unwholesome air of mockery which constantly underlies the surface geniality of his prose: the anecdote at the very beginning, in which an imaginary Chinese dinner guest making what turns out to be a perfectly sane response to a vague question is called "incongruous" and "muddleheaded" is only the beginning: I have never seen such a procession of phantoms and straw-men, created only to be mocked and debunked. The real people behind the supposed myths DeFrancis attacks are a couple of French sinologists, Margulies and Etiemple, and H.G. Creel, a giant of the field. Never does DeFrancis really share with us the pith and marrow of those men's arguments so that we could objectively analyse the arguments DeFrancis makes in reply. Even worse is the total absense of a reasonable, balanced, and varied picture of the views on this subject matter of literate people in China and in the Chinese-character-using world. There is a very small handful of Chinese proponents of romanization whom DeFrancis quotes again and again--it seems that one of them occurs on virtually every single page of the closing section of the book. This is the way cult-members write: in their minds the leaders of their cult loom so large, and everyone else so small, that it seems perfectly appropriate to support an argument by simply quoting again and again the one or two fellow-travellers with whom they share it. Someone who wanted to write a useful and unbiased book would have interviewed all sorts of people all over the Chinese world, as well as in Korea and Japan, about all aspects of the Chinese character. 14. The worst thing about this book is the depressing inability of its author to see anywhere outside of the narrow circle of his breath-takingly limited view of efficiency. No doubt there are writers who have carelessly made unprovable claims about great food: that it elevates the soul, brings joy and peace, and promotes warm relations between human beings. Supposing I wrote a hundred pages debunking these myths, showing that great food, just like mediocre food and bad food, went into the digestive tract, served a certain biological purpose, and then got expelled from the body; and if I then proceeded in another hundred pages to prove that thefore, since mediocre cooking and fast food do all the same jobs with far less wastage of time, we ought to get rid of that inefficient time-waster, good cooking; or if I said that great architecture was less efficient than the cubicle, or that the robot was more efficient than the human being, and that therefore men and women and great works of architecture ought to be jettisoned in favour of the robot and the cubicle; and if I maintained this, in a common-sense sort of tone, mocking everyone foolish enough to have used imprecise of unscientific language in the false praise of those inefficient things, human beings and great architecture and good food--this would be the sort of thing which DeFrancis has done to the Chinese written language. Perhaps before DeFrancis wrote there really was so much imprecision in the use of certain terms that something like the glass of cold water which his book represents was necessary as a corrective, but having said that I find nothing else good that I can say about it. Can we now have some people writing about the Chinese language who actually have a minimal amount of human feeling for their subject?
33 of 42 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
Really an enlightening attack on the character writing system,
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
THE CHINESE LANGUAGE: Fact and Fantasy, by the legendary pedagogue of Chinese John DeFrancis, is an imprecisely titled book. What DeFrancis seeks to show here is that the Chinese character writing system is inefficient, unnecessary, and detrimental to mass literacy.
DeFrancis begins with an introductory essay (which he later revealed to be a joke) about a World War II committee of Asian scholars attempting to design a character-based writing system for Western peoples once they were subjugated by the unstoppable Japanese. After this brief piece, the reader will already see that characters are unsuitable for most of the world's languages. The first part, the only portion of the book which is dedicated to the Chinese language in the sense of speech, elucidates the division language -> regionalect -> dialect. In the second part, DeFrancis tries to reach a conclusion on what exactly characters are, as diverse terminology from "pictograph" to "ideograph" has been used. The third part, "Demythifying Chinese Characters" is the real meat of the book. While hard to believe now, in previous centuries European intellectuals were enamoured with characters and even called them a universal writing system. DeFrancis slays the universality myth, and the closely related emulatability myth, mainly based on the fact that literacy is so hard to acheive, as well as on the fact that no phonetic information can be had. The idea that Chinese is monosyllabic is shown as a myth, since the spoken language has and depends upon polysyllabic constructions to avoid redundacy and only in the thoroughly artificial written language could one see monosyllabism. The myth that characters are indispensable is revealed, since pinyin works well once the spoken language is used as a basis for writing, and only the use of an artificial literary language hampers alphabetization. Students of Chinese will already understand this, for reading a transcript of a conversation in pinyin presents little confusion. Finally, if anyone out there really still believes that characters could be successul, DeFrancis shows how terrible their impact has been on mass literacy in China compared to Japan. An interesting aside in this chapter is that even Japanese literacy isn't what it's cracked up to be. The fourth and final part discusses historical steps for reform of the spoken and written languages. Some knowledge of Chinese, ideally Mandarin (Putonghua) is necessary to fully enjoy this book, although DeFrancis tries hard to make it accessible to a general audience. DeFrancis was one of the great Western scholars of Chinese, and from a three-year sojourn in China in his youth he had a great love of the Chinese people and their culture. If he argues against the use of characters, his opinions are worth hearing out, and students and scholars of Chinese may be quite interested by this work.
9 of 11 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
historically obsolete,
By DaLaoHu (Portland, OR) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
Much can be said about this book, both pro and con, but the bottom line is that history has made the argument DeFrancis proposes obsolete. China has entered the modern world and the computer age quite nicely without having to abandon its character-based script. And the ubiquity of television, still not available to most Chinese when DeFrancis was writing, is rapidly neutralizing many of the differences in regional dialects. As an elderly Chinese man told me on a recent visit to China: The young people all know how to speak Mandarin; it's only us old people who can't understand each other. Even in Cantonese speaking Guangzhou and Shenzhen, the schoolchildren are being taught Mandarin. (In fact, even in New York City's Cantonese speaking Chinatown, according to a recent article in the New York Times).
In fairness to DeFrancis, however, pinyin has assumed a prominent role in this transition, but as an adjunct to the characters and not as a replacement. And his Beginning Chinese Reader is still as good an introduction to traditional Chinese as you are likely to find.
8 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
The Illiteracy Myth.,
By Lap (Seattle, USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
One major argument from the book is that, Chinese characters are "unsuccessful in producing mass literacy and meeting other needs in modern society," (p.287) that's why the character-based writing system should be uprooted in favor of an alphabetical-based writing system.
However, the book mentioned Taiwan as a model of literacy: "The much higher standard of living in Taiwan, which is unlikely to be matched on the mainland for many years to come, is a major cause of whatever success has been achieved in literacy based on characters." (p.219) So is it still true that Chinese characters will not be successful in producing mass literacy? Or simply because the country didn't have enough resource to do so? I would say this is also a myth: the illiteracy myth. Indeed, it was well believed by many Chinese scholars back in the 30s that China will be doomed if they kept using the character-based writing system. That's exactly when John DeFrancis spent his time in China, and I believe he has been deeply influenced by this view. And I think he missed the point in the "Universality Myth" - from what I understand, the nature of the character-based writing system is that the "spelling" is resistant to phonetic changes over time. That's why no matter how a character was pronounced by Chinese from different regionalects over the last 2000 years, they all wrote the same character, with some specific meaning attached to it. That's why, yes, Chinese characters make it possible to read poems written a thousand years ago and philosophical essays written long before Christ (p.149) and *no*, Western readers won't be able to understand literature millennia ago (p.150), because it's alphabetical-based and the pronunciation has been completely changed. The example "DRINKABLEnai" (p.158) in Japanese as *not* DRINKABLE is a trick one, but it demonstrated exactly the point the author tried to deny - the Chinese characters "DRINKABLE" are well understood by all Chinese character readers (and the phonetic "nai" part could only be understood by Japanese reader). Because the meaning of a word is not modified as often as the pronunciation over time and places, why is it a "myth" to say love (the chinese character) is more universal than amat (p.159)? The author almost admitted that Chinese characters are indispensable in the "Indispensability Myth" - "Much of Chinese writing incorporates many elements alien to speech - at times to such an extent as to make it incomprehensible when read orally. ... there is a basic contradiction between writing in characters and writing in a style close to actual speech." (p.195) "That characters are indeed indispensable for classical Chinese ... " (p.196) But then he argued that "Insofar as writers do succeed in writing in a style close to actual speech, their work is adaptable to alphabetic writing." (p.197) It means, Chinese characters are dispensable as long as condition X can be fulfilled, but this condition X is to restrict all one billion Chinese writers to write in a very limited way. It sounds more than a language reform to me. But if it could be done, then it is not surprising anymore to call Chinese characters indispensable a "myth." Although I am not technical enough, I see a major flaw in the example of "Ascendency of Phonetic Elements" (p.126 - 127). By presenting only the meaning of the radicals of 19 characters of the beginning of a story to some native speakers, the author concluded that "the semantic approach appeared as almost total gibberish... Success would probably not be any greater if we were to take into account any other semantic clues that a character might have..." I think this is a manipulated experiment to get a favorable outcome. It is based on the categorization that "phonetic components" and "semantic components" of a character are mutually exclusive. But is it really the case? See how [...] breaks down every component of a character to convey its meaning, including the phonetic components, and you will see a phonetic component can also be a semantic component of a character. Having said all these, I am by no means trying to belittle or to show any disrespect to Prof John DeFrancis (who just left us at age 97 last month), and this is indeed a good book with a lot of solid information. But at the end of his days, he should be happy to see that not many Chinese are doomed to perpetual illiteracy, and China's modernization was not impeded, even a "genuine Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution" (p.287) did not happen to completely demolish the use of Chinese characters.
15 of 22 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars
Truely a Westerner's opinion,
This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
I read this book and could not believe that it got such high ratings. Then, after going over the writings again, I found that everything is done properly and much of what the author says is correct, and he does a pretty decent job of debunking the presented myths.
However, he is wrong, or at least completely culturally biased, in his conclusion, which is basically that the Chinese system sucks and should be phased out by some alphabet thing. Furthermore, he acts as if the myths he got done debunking are somehow vital for Chinese character's status as a reasonable system. Also, the very fact that DeFrancis does not consider the cultural implications behind the 5000-year old system shows that he doesn't really know what he's talking about. For instance, English has many, many irregularities in its spelling and grammar (much more than Chinese or other Asian languages), but if one was to simplify it and make it more "efficient," you'd just end up with something soulless and culturally devoid, like Orwell's Newspeak. Turning Chinese into an actual phonetic system of any kind(which has been tried in the PRC and failed) just brings up even larger problems. Taiwan and Japanese do have phonetic systems (the kana and zhuyin), but it has been found that they can only be realistically used as a supporting script. In short, I appreciate the method with which the book was written, but detest the utter lack of cultural understanding (which I can sort of forgive since this guy isn't Chinese anyway).
67 of 100 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Care about a Chinese opinion?,
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Typically I don't write reviews without reading the books. Though as a Chinese I feel compelled to just point out several points.
1. Based on the reviews, I think the author is right on many points about myths about the Chinese language(s) and the script. Yes, many dialects are mutually intelligible. Yes, many different words are used to describe the same things. Yes, it is more difficult to learn. True, the visuals of the script present probably more sound than meaning. And yes, the basic unit of Chinese language is evolving from a character to a phrase (i.e. multi-character, thus multi-syllable) 2. Now, is it a "good" or "useful" script? If your pre-conception is that a script ("the image") should truthfully represent a language ("the truth"), it probably is not a good one. If your pre-conception is that a script should be "democratic" (i.e. easy to learn by all in no time), Chinese script is not good. If your pre-conception is that a "good" script should be fast to write out, probably it is not a good script. 3. Now, what is the most efficient way for people of different tongues ("dialects" or "languages") to communicate in writing with each other, without forcing the different communities learn others' tongues? I'd argue that the Chinese script is VERY good at this. Essentially everyone who wants to communicate in writing make a higher fixed investment in learning the script. Once the investment is made, you can transmit info to people of vastly different dialects, and across very long time horizon. It is efficient in a different way. 4. So the counter-challenge to the alphabet users are these. By just knowing modern English, how much time is required for one to have a basic (maybe 50-60% comprehension) to read French, Spanish and German? How much time is required for one to be able to read Chaucer in the original; how about Latin and Greek? If you are writing a book, what script you should write in that has the highest probability of being comprehensible to a normal person 500 years from now? 5. As a native speaker of Cantonese, I learnt the Chinese script at school. With that background, I can comprehend about 50-60% of everything that is written by speakers of Taiwanese, Shanghainese, Mandarin and other dialects. I can comprehend as much about ancient Chinese text (depends on the period), and maybe slightly less in Japanese (because the grammatical portion of the language is written in kana). Jealous now? You shouldn't be. I happen to have made the right investment in learning a very USEFUL script. 6. BTW, the written Chinese language has a meaningful continuity since ~220BC, and it is used to describe a group of languages/ dialects that is spoken by about 1 billion people. After learning the "abc", what other script would you ask your kids to learn?
12 of 19 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Essential, classic, indispensable,
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This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
This is without question the most important book on the Chinese writing system published in the last century, and it is one of the most important books on the Chinese language.The main goal of the book is to explain how the Chinese writing system works, and to dispel commonly held beliefs such as that the Chinese writing system conveys thought directly without the intermediary of sound. Anyone with a serious interest in the Chinese language or Chinese linguistics, or the general topic of writing systems, cannot consider themselves worth listening to unless they have grappled with the arguments in this book. Anyone who is studying Chinese casually would do very well to read it; it's written in a very easy to read and accessible way without jargon.
20 of 33 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
Academic and readable -- superb description of the issues.,
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This review is from: Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy (Paperback)
In struggling with some way to get a handle on how to learn Chinese characters in my first Mandarin course, I found Dr. Defrancis' wonderful text, The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy.He had me hoodwinked and hornswoggled through the early part of the first chapter with only an inkling that something was not quite right. Great device for introducing a complex subject. I'm just now finishing the book and plan to re-read that first chapter now that I'm wearing a new set of evaluation tools. Is the language at all phonetic? Somewhat phonetic...not at all phonetic? Was it sometime? Will some alphabetic system replace characters? What schemes have been tried in the recent past? These are some of the questions that Dr. Defrancis tackles and worries over like a barnyard dog. Once he gets hold of an issue, he doesn't let go until he's examined every single aspect. This is a really rewarding text if you're interested in the Chinese language. (Oh yes, what exactly is meant by 'language' anyway?...read the book for a great discussion.) |
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