"...a 1998 study showed that a Japanese man typically eats about 8g (2 tsp) a day."
False. Plus, you didn't bother list sources. And you're insinuating that most or all Japanese eat only around that amount when they don't.
The Japanese don't eat about 8g (2 tsp) a day. You are confusing the metric units of a U.S. standard food serving to a food serving in Japan. A recent survey showed that some Japanese eat 1 to 2 servings of soy a day.
And you being allergic to soy is redundant and irrelevant. No Americans feels that eating soy products is a panacea. Idiots feel that cow milk is a panacea however. Don't assume that many, many others like you are allergic to soy. If soy was such a common allergen in people, it wouldn't be in most prepackaged foods from canned tuna to sliced bread to breakfast cereal. What planet do you live on? And Peanuts and cow milk are the leading causes of severe allergic reactions, followed by nuts, shellfish, fish and eggs.
"...soybeans come under scrutiny when developed by Monsanto as being GMO..." That won't stop you from eating meat and/or dairy seeing that nearly ninety-eight percent of the U.S. crop is used for livestock feed. The remaining 2 percent is trivial. http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/557184/soybean
Well Mr/Ms J. Walls, I am rather shocked by your response. I have no idea how much iodine Japanese people consume. I am not here to publish huge amounts of verifiable data. I am making an observation based upon my experience in life and what I have read. For you to say that my allergy to soy is a redundant on this discussion post is downright rude and obnoxious. I stated the allergy claim because I cannot use soy as a protein source. The meats I eat are organic when I eat them. I am amazed at your arrogance when people post to this discussion.
Michigan, As a recovering vegetarian, I can attest to the problems I also encountered with soy. Unless it is prepared in the traditional, fermented way, it is not a health food, nor is it something we evolved to eat. Like wheat, which also poses a lot of health problems for folks, plant-based foods have their own health-related issues and aren't the panacea that some people make them out to be.
Looks like you had some time on your hand. I'm 51years old and have been on a vegan diet for 15 months. I'm 5'7" 145 lb. . . . I have not exercised in 6 months but after this post I will ride my bicycle 7 miles in less than 30 minutes. My blood pressure is 109 over 64. Before I went vegan I had chronic pain constantly. Now I have no pain or no excessive pain. My mental and cognitive abilities have improved also; I have enrolled in college and doing very well. I have several friends that have died or dyeing of health problems associated to diet such as diabetes, heart failure and cancer. They are all under 55 years old. Post your bio and your diet with comment. Barrett Buckalew
And I'm amazed by ignorance and lack of education. It never ceases to amaze me how people like you think your questionable anecdotal experience validates as something factual or valuable to bring to the table. And I've never said the Japanese ear a lot of iodine. You clearly have very low reading comprehension skills too. I guess that's what I get for answering such an ignorant question.
U have all of your hair because of a a hereditary trait for....keeping all your hair. Almost all Koreans have all their hair too. Their heart attack incident and mortality rates have doubled since 1997. Not surprisingly, they have adopted a fried food diet rich in red meat and fast food and are more sedentary now than ever before as they are in the middle of their own industrial revolution with new cars in most driveways and the butt-numbing and heart-killing Internet taking more of their time. So, which factor makes the heart attack rate climb? Most likely all of them, but none of them is causing their hair to fall out.
Here's my two cents (whatever they are worth). Do your research and then eat what YOUR body wants. Not everyone's body is the same. I have discovered over the years that I am happier eating a wide variety of fruits, veggies and other plant based foods.... occasionally having some fish or organic chicken. I do not drink milk because I don't like it. I do eat cheese - but sparingly. I am 50. Everyone says I look 35. I feel like I'm 25..... so that works for me. My husband eats meat every day and drinks at least 16 oz of milk. He almost never eats green veggies but eats a TON of fruit. He is also young-looking and young-feeling. That's my two cents. KW
I am in grad school for a master in public health with a nutrition focus. As such I have free access to scientific research that is usually paid for. This is the summary of the actual China Study (Diet, lifestyle, and the etiology of coronary artery disease: the Cornell China Study T.Colin Campbell, PhDa, , Banoo Parpia, PhDa, Junshi Chen, MD, PhDb a Division of Nutritional Sciences, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York, USA b Institute of Nutrition and Food Hygiene, Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Beijing, the People's Republic of China, China):
"In the China study, we used 2 general analytic strategies to examine the relations between diet and chronic degenerative disease. The first strategy sought disease aggregations, then identified the principal risk factors for these disease groups. The second strategy examined specific diet-disease associations, then evaluated their correlations with the average consumption of plant and animal-based foods. Both strategies resulted in the same conclusions. First, a diet comprising a variety of good-quality plant-based foods yields the lowest disease rates. Second, there is no evidence of a threshold beyond which further benefits do not accrue with increasing proportions of plant-based foods in the diet. Our study results have convinced us that consumption of a low-fat, plant-based diet can prevent and reverse a wide variety of chronic degenerative diseases.
Our major finding concerning coronary artery disease was that risk of this disease decreases with increased consumption of plant-based foods and decreased consumption of animal-based foods. This is true even in rural China, where coronary artery disease mortality rates are far below those in the United States. Also, in this population, the correlations with plasma cholesterol, which is very low by Western standards, indicate that, to fully prevent coronary artery disease, plasma cholesterol must be maintained well under 150 mg/dL.
Nevertheless, we should try to understand the determinants of low coronary artery disease risk within the context of risks of other chronic degenerative diseases so that we do not trade one disease for others. Also, among the >8,000 statistically significant associations in this massive data set, some do not appear to agree with our hypothesis. These anomalies, however, are few, especially considering possible confounding. In short, it is important that investigations into the etiology of coronary artery disease examine all possible dietary and lifestyle associations."
From what I can tell Barrett, omnivores get irritated at vegans because many, though not all, vegans believe that eating meat is immoral and they will tell the omnivores that what they do is immoral and this annoys a lot of people. Also, the issue of what it good to eat is not white and black, so both sides tend to cherry pick the sources that support what they believe either about morals or about health. A vegan will read the source I posted as say, "see, very little of the findings pointed to something else then what the study concluded." An omnivore will read the source I posted and say, "see, over 8000 statistically relevant findings, not all were on par with what the Campbell is saying, and the study was meant to find something to test, not as the final nail in the coffin for eating animal protein." The kicker here is that both takes are right. Most of the time a well researched vegan and a well researched omnivore will have seen much of the same data, but they will interpret it differently or focus on a bias that every scientist has.
Dr. Campbell would be more bias towards being pro-vegan where as Dr. Eades would be more bias towards being pro-meat. But all scientists are like this. The man who found out that antibiotics could help cure ulcers because they are caused by a bacteria had to perform the activity 3 times: first he did it with his patients in a study, then he gave himself the bacteria Helicobacter pylori, got ulcers, and took antibiotics and got rid of the ulcers, twice. Only then did people start to believe him.
Science is slow, as it should be. There is evidence that cholesterol might not be as bad as we once thought in regards to heart disease, but this is new. So in the media it will be "a brand new study that just came out shows that bad cholesterol might be good after all..." This gets views, but if it is a new study, then it still has to be tested and get the same results and this can change depending on the variables.
The recommendations for percentage of macronutrients are as follows: 45-65% carbohydrates, 20-35% fat (though for the West maxing out at 30 might be better), and 10-35% protein. That is almost a universal number for all ages besides early life, for both sexes, and while pregnant and lactating.
Personally, I think aiming between the SAD (Standard American Diet) and the BAD (30 Bananas A Day) diet should be done, while listening to your body and not ideology. If you are a paleo dieter and you get cravings for lots of fruit or feel bad, eat fruit and change your diet. If you are a vegan and get a meat craving or are feeling bad, then eat some meat and change your diet. Everyone is different, so a diet for everyone really doesn't exist.
Now since you asked I will give you my specs: I am an obese male omnivore with a sedentary lifestyle. I eat an average of about 3,500 calories a day while I should be eating about 2,900 a day, for my weight and sex, to lose weight. I do not feel it is immoral to eat meat, but that we should move away from the hormone laced factory farmed animal products. For me, this is not all too difficult as I live in a Southern State that raises cattle on pasture and have access to fish (although I do not like the taste of fish and have not found anything beyond shrimp, crab, lobster, or squid that I like to eat from water as I am a bit weirded out by frog although it tastes like chicken), and hunting. I have also found a local dairy farm where I buy milk from sometimes, but unfortunately I like the "normal" milk taste better and only drink the chocolate verity, but only on occasion.
I am fairly intelligent, which means I can't really sit through a long talk about something I disagree with without my brain jumping to the counterarguments, and because I am intelligent I get arrogant when talking about a subject I have researched.
To lose weight I am trying to cut down on fat by eating less fried food, and more fruit and veggies. On weekends I tend to have cereal and milk and/or a peanut-butter and jelly sandwich on 100% whole wheat (if you wish to eat more whole wheat, make sure you get 2 or more grams of fiber per hundred calories, the bread I get has 2 per slice at 50 calories a slice) with a few chips. I also am trying to cut down on sugary sodas and drink more water (mixed with sugar free crystal light) or make a fruit smoothie using fresh and or frozen fruit and a little fruit juice (milk decreased the sweetness when used and fruit juice is usually everything removed that is healthy from an actual fruit, so I eat all the fiber, seeds, and what have you when I make a smoothie) and to use Splenda (personal preference sweeter) in my smoothies and tea.
I should also note that our bodies know the difference between Spenda and sugar, so when you drink something sweetened with something that isn't a sugar or doesn't at one a sugar, your body makes insulin when you taste the sweetness, but when your stomach doesn't get any sugar it will tell your brain it is hungry, so using artificial sweetner can be counter productive, which is why I use it more in smoothies because I have the frutose in the fruit.
Oh, and because I see it a lot, I am not now, nor have I ever, been a paid or volunteer worker, PR personal, or propagandist for any meat, dairy, or egg company, industry, or individual. The choices I make when buying food is done on what I prefer, think is moral, and believe to be the healthier option.
I personally find the idea that anyone who disagrees with Dr. Campbell or any veg*an must be paid by the industry to be distracting from the actual issue(s) at hand and is nothing more then an ad hominem fallacy, or personal attack, on the individual at hand. If you disagree, then try to use evidence to the best of your ability to persuade others that you are right (the person you are talking to is very likely not going to change) and try to have a good discussion with the person you are talking with.
I prefer to have (good) discussions with people who disagree with me. If I always had bad ones or always attacked the other person, I wouldn't have gotten past the simplistic mentality I had when I was a Freshmen in collage. And when talking with only people who agree with you, ideas stagnant, and you eventually go to "man, I someone tell me something really stupid, it was...." and, "oh yeah, they are always like that, always saying...."
"If you hide your ignorance, no one will hit you and you'll never learn." ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
So there you go. You have my take on the bigger picture, by personal habits, and my beliefs. All are truthful, so feel free to make of advice as you see fit. At the end of the day, only one person is going to be living your life.
Hello Chris, Thanks for the reply Chris; I agree with your assessment about one should be willing to stand his ground about what he believes in and be willing to listen to other people's opinion and point of view. I am a recovering southern Baptist that has spent a considerable amount of my time with people that are concerned with only their point of view, a very exhausting experience. Two years ago, I had a personal breakdown or something that I can't quite put a term to. I became an empty nester, ended a relationship with women, quite my job, ended ties with a church that I had been an active member for over ten years and ended relationships with people that I term "difficult" or "toxic". I wonder if most people that decide to start a vegan lifestyle are also going through a transition in their life. I have been a meat eater my whole life and always thought that vegetarians were a strange bunch. Why would a person with all the obstacles in life such as work, relationships, family and his position in this vast universe, waste any time eating a diet that might add 4 years to his life? Right now I am in the middle of putting together a presentation, about how eating a plant diet can improve health, for my speech class. In my research I'm discovering that long life and good health are linked to a multitude of factors such as diet, genetics, environment, and emotional state of mind. I have lost loved ones to cancer, diabetes and heart disease but these people I am referring to had addiction and emotional issues also. Yes they all ate meat but they also abused drugs at some point in their life. When I read the China study, I was amazed at the obvious link of diet to good health. How in one county of rural China not one person out of 250k died in three years from heart disease. I have several friends that are very much alive but depend on drugs and doctors to keep them that way. Several of them are in their 50s and two in their 40s. In the county I live in over 500 per 100k die every year of CHD. Whether the China study is true or false I don't know, but I do know my friends are sick and or dyeing way too young. Of course when things go wrong there's always more than problem to blame and eating a healthy diet won't solve the world's problems and death will come eventual but when it does end I want to be in an upright position. After being vegan for two years I don't feel that I'm giving anything up in my diet and my health is great (Cholesterol went from 229 to 176). I'm still goofy but healthy. I have always been fit because I'm a carpenter but now I run 5k three to four times a week which is more than I thought possible two years ago. I also go to a recovery program call "Celebrate Recovery", it's a Christian based 12 step recovery program. It helps to have someone to relate to while living this thing called life. Good luck Chris and I hope you success Barrett Buckalew
There are a lot of diets out there. Mine has a simple catch: buy foods with one ingredient. In one fell swoop, say goodbye to chemicals, preservatives, lots of fat and sugar. Other than that, I make a lot of common sense suggestions.