Combat Mission: Shock Force

by ValuSoft

Product Features

• Conduct combat operations in dense urban settings with buildings 8 stories high
• Over 100 different terrain types
• Includes new vehicle upgrades and add-ons
• Full simulation of advanced technologies such as active defense systems, ATGM tandem warheads, etc.
• Stunning high resolution graphics

Product Details

• Shipping: This item is also available for shipping to select countries outside the U.S.
• ASIN: B000PWUZ2Q
• Item Weight: 5 ounces
• Media: Video Game
• Release Date: June 11, 2007
• Average Customer Review: 3.9 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (12 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #19,219 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
• Discontinued by manufacturer: Yes

Product Description

Create your own battles and maps or edit existing ones

Customer Reviews

Most Helpful Customer Reviews

18 of 22 people found the following review helpful:

2.0 out of 5 stars Data Simulator masquerading as a game, May 1, 2008

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Michael A Dorosh (Calgary, AB, CANADA) - See all my reviews
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= Fun:2.0 out of 5 stars 

This review is from: Combat Mission: Shock Force (Video Game)

What you get out of this game, like anything, will depend on what your expectations are. Presuming that you are approaching this title for the same reasons that people approached the first three CM titles, and for the same reasons that the developers claim to have published the game, this reviewer feels you will likely be disappointed. That reason would be to find a playable, entertaining, perhaps even thought-provoking squad-based, company level tactical 3D wargame.

The positives; CM:SF at its most basic level seems like its predecessors. The player is presented with an open ended game with a map editor, scenarios, a linked-scenarios game option, and a random scenario generator. Play is still turn-based, with 1 minute "movies" interspersed with orders phases in which both sides give orders. Play is resolved simultaneously. Even board game designers knew that "Si-Move" was more realistic than sequential turns back in the early 1970s. Additionally, those Zombie-critters in the first CM games have been replaced with stunning 3D models, and adequate animations. All the wheels on the tanks turn, men reload magazines, they even give first aid to injured soldiers. And hey, you want to play in real time and forget the goofy turn system, there is a real time option too. And if you still want to stop and catch a breath, you can pause the real time. They fixed the "borg spotting" and now each unit traces LOS independently of others.

So what could possibly be wrong? It's the same old CM, just better, and more features, right?

Unfortunately, no. Aside from the most obvious change - a modern day fictional war in Syria that may or may not appeal - many of the old CM features have been gutted. First of all, the game is so data-heavy, with individual tracking of ammunition and small arms fire, that PBEM files are bloated. There is also no way to play turn-based over the internet. It's real time only. If you were a fan of the Quick Battles - there are no random maps. The data was too much to be able to do them "on the fly". There are no more point purchase systems for the QBs, either.

In game, there are a lot of handy features that didn't make the transition - LOS tools or ambush or shoot-n-scoot or seek hull down. Some have work arounds (the target command works as an LOS - unless you have an unarmed unit), but some don't.

The main objection is that the biggest complaint about the old CM - the 3-man representations on the map of entire infantry squads - have been replaced with 1:1 representation. But the individuals on the map don't act like individuals. Just about everything is abstracted; there are no interior walls in buildings - but there are exterior windows and doors (you can tell because the men won't jump through the windows, and the pathfinding is so poor that men will run circles around entire buildings trying to find the doors even if it means exposing themselves to fire to do it). LOS is supposedly drawn to each man individually, but an underlying 8x8m grid of "Action Spots" also controls such things as movement - though there are no visual clues on the map as to what is determined by the action spots, or where they are, exactly. You still control squads as if they were squads - not individuals - which means if you want to replenish your squad's ammo from its APC (another welcome new feature) - you send the entire squad running off the firing line to do it where in real life you'd just send one man back for an ammo can or an armful of bandoliers. There is a serious "scale-mismatch" as one veteran wargamer described it at the official forums. The developers lost sight of what made the original game fun and tried to broaden their retail base to include real time customers while abandoning commitment to crucial philosophies of game design.

Worst, perhaps, the AI has largely been removed. Granted, it was silly to watch platoon HQs and mortars leading counterattacks in the first CM games, but the AI in CM:SF is entirely scripted. The scenario designer now sets the agenda by having the enemy react to the clock, not the tactical situation. There is still a TacAI, but the developers are still working out the bugs, and it mostly determines defensive actions. The AI won't counter-attack you if you take a victory location - unless the script calls for it. There are multiple scripts available for each scenario, but the AI still won't act dynamically to what you are doing except by sheer coincidence.

The "campaign" released with the game replaces the popular Operations model of the earlier CM games. You will never be able to fight over the same terrain as in the early games. Instead, you have a simplistic branch system of linked scenarios with which you have no control to make decisions on which units you will employ - you're there for the ride.

If you're mostly interested in pretty graphics, CM:SF won't disappoint. The night-time effects are good; daytime effects are ok - still some work to be done on shadows, and battlefront has said they have no way to fix the fact that bunkers and trenches are impossible to hide. That's right - you get a bunker or a trench and the terrain is deformed wherever you put it, and the enemy can see that wherever you place it on the map (actually, the scenario designer will place the trench for you - it's not your call, and you can't dig foxholes, either, nor are there roadblocks or barbed wire). Unhidden trenches and bunkers are not cool for head-to-head play. Between two friends, not an issue, but perhaps its no small wonder there haven't been any tournament ladders springing up with the same wild abandon they did for the first CM games. As nice as the vehicles look on the move, other animations are silly - inappropriate weapons reload animations (those US troops don't know how to use the hold-open device on a reloaded M4 apparently) and really silly building demolitions - pull you out of the environment pretty quickly.

The official forums for the game will inform you far better than a review here. The fact this game went to the clearance bin so quickly should inform you also. Nine months after release and the game has seen 8 patches (one was required on release day) with no official announcement to when the patches will be complete. And yet the game is already retailing for less than 8 dollars. Compare the price of this game to that of its earlier predecessor Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin, still retailing around the 20 dollar mark on Amazon.

8 dollars is a fair price for this product and there are enough fans to be found at the official website that you will find plenty of company to enjoy the game with. The developer has promised at least one add-on module to incorporate Marines into the game with additional Syrian units. Best advice is to download the demo and try it out for yourself. Bear in mind the latest patch features will likely not be reflected in the latest demo, as this does not get updated with each patch.

A word to the wise, however - an educated guess is that when this game engine progresses to the Second World War, the modern setting will be quickly forgotten. The developer has only one coder working on their titles, and demand for the WW II version has been high. After a series of mediocre releases (CM:SF, Theatre of War, T-72), BFC will be looking to appeal to new audiences - there will likely be little future in modules for this one after the promised Marines module comes out, if demand for the WWII titles is as high as is anticipated and sales of that popular genre manage to eclipse the modern games.

2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:

4.0 out of 5 stars Pretty darn good, September 1, 2008

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Adam W. Adair "adam" (Rochester, MN) - See all my reviews
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= Fun:4.0 out of 5 stars 

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This review is from: Combat Mission: Shock Force (Video Game)

When I purchased this game I was skeptical. I read the lousy reviews, and I hate buying bad games, but the price was good enough for me to take chance. I had downloaded version 1.07 demo from the battefront web site and really enjoyed. The lates patch is 1.08, and apparently this makes all the difference from the initial release of this game that received such bad reviews. The bottom line is that it is fun, and realistic. I'm an infantryman in the National Guard, and I have 3 years of active duty service in the regular Army. I can say from experience that this is one of the more realistic games I've ever come across. It's not a perfect game though. The user interface is a bit odd and takes some getting used to. The campaign is not very realistic because combat losses in one scenario seem to have no effect on combat strength in the susequent scenarios. For the price, this game is a real gem.

3 of 4 people found the following review helpful:

4.0 out of 5 stars Much Improved, October 2, 2009

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Darren Rosenbaum (Los Angeles, CA) - See all my reviews
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= Fun:4.0 out of 5 stars 

This review is from: Combat Mission: Shock Force (Video Game)

When this game was originally released it was not in the state the developers would have liked as they had to meet a publisher's deadline. The game was playable, but there were many bugs. Since then, several patches have been released and nearly all the flaws are gone. The game is a lot of fun to play, even if you don't think you'd like modern warfare, as opposed to WWII. The only major flaw remaining is that the Quick Battle system is not as good as it was in the first series of CM games, and the developers don't plan on making any changes as it would require a substantial amount of work to rewrite the code. They are now busy working on the next title in the series, which will feature WWII combat in Normandy. That game will feature a new QB system more similar to the one people loved from the old CM games, so if this is a deal breaker, wait for the next game which is due out in early 2010. Play the demo for CM:SF at the Battlefront website, which is now patched to the latest version. If you like what you see, buy the game. You'll probably also want to get the Marines and British Forces modules as well.