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Complete Scoundrel: A Player's Guide to Trickery and Ingenuity (Dungeons & Dragons d20 3.5 Fantasy Roleplaying)

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Admittedly, Complete Scoundrel is a title that I've been anticipating for a couple of months now. Complete Mage was a superb follow up to the Complete Arcane (and for someone who does not care for arcanists, this was hard for me to admit). Perhaps my dillema with this book was that I was looking at this to be a sort of follow-up to Complete Adventurer. Sadly, it is not.

One of the things I have enjoyed about the releases since the Player's Handbook II was the alternative class features, but Complete Scoundrel entirely lacks this selling point. Instead we have the "Making a Scoundrel" section which offers class, prestige class, feat, and skill trick suggestions for different types of personalities. While this is a nice touch, most of the feat suggestions are from the other Complete manuals.

Most of the feats are directly set to the expected classes: Rogue, Bard, Swashbuckler, Scout, and Ninja. Several of the Ambush feats are recycled directly from Dragon Magazine #344. Despite the discussion that any class can display scoundrel-like tendencies, not any class can use these feats. To make up for that, we have the "Luck Feats," which provide an in-game way to do what many players may try to get away with at the table anyway: reroll a result you don't like.

The skill tricks are, as described in the book, like mini-feats that have limited uses per day. Each skill trick requires 2 skill points to learn, which is exceptionally nice if you have a character that's gaining 8, 6, or even 4 + Int modifier skill points on a level up. But again, your 2 + Int mod characters will probably want to spend those 2 or 3 precious skill points trying to permanently increase their chances of success on their more important class skills, rather than gaining a couple of 1/day special actions that most often require a successful skill check anyway. Flashy, yes, but universally available, no.

The Prestige Classes and the Organizations are perhaps the most interesting sections. The Combat Trapsmith has been long-awaited, and the Gray Guard - a paladin who has been granted the freedom to pursue justice by any means necessary - is a superb concept. The Master of Masks is like a theatrical version of the Tattooed Monk from Complete Warrior. Even the psions have access to a new personalized prestige class that meshes well with the Shadowmind from Complete Adventurer.

Very little love is shown for new items and spells. Perhaps we're still reveling from the Spell Compendium and awaiting the Magic Item Compendium.

All in all, it is my belief that a lot of this release felt like an extended section of the Class Acts from Dragon Magazine. Perhaps it was the high expectation I had after being impressed by Complete Mage. Perhaps I'm still wondering why we require at least 5 pages of every manual to describe the changes to polymorph and to define the swift and immediate action, especially if we're constantly being referenced to feats and prestige classes previously published. Complete Scoundrel seemed to define a scoundrel with an immensely broad definition in its introduction (imagine if Complete Divine claimed that any character who ever questioned the existence of a god was a "divine" character), but failed to live up to all parts of its definition.

Bottom line: Collectors should pick this one up. Anyone who wants to add a few flashy maneuvers for their diplomats or their rogues should pick this one up. If you don't already have Complete Adventurer, don't pick it up. If you occassionally let your players have a pity-reroll from time to time, don't pick it up.

When I buy a book called Complete Scoundrel, I expect a tome filled with things to make your Rogue, or Bard, a better criminal or thug. When I opened the cover of the book, I was impressed by how little this book resembled my expectations. One of the first rules of character-making that I learned, was not to mirror a character on Iconic TV, Movie or literary people. Instead, I learned to borrow element of those characters as guidelines. The very first chapter of this book is dedicated to listing almost every mythic scoundrel from Conan to Han Solo! I was hoping to find different ways to make a successful scoundrel character, and there were a few hints and suggestions, for 11 pages out of a total of 157. The book gets worse from there. The next 47 pages are dedicated to Prestige classes. It is an indication of fuzzy thinking, and a drive to publish more material, without giving adequate thought to the quality of the content. Scoundrels are made at the beginning, not in the middle. To think that the writers of this book believe that prestige classes are more important than the basics of character-building is outragious. While some of the prestige classes were indeed interesting, most of them were targetted on warrior or melee characters. The feats and skill tricks section, another 33 pages, seems to dedicate a huge amount of space to Luck related feats. I understand that luck must play a part of every rogues career, but for a player class to revolve around re-rolling bad dice throws is ludicrous! How does being lucky make one a scoundrel! Honestly, the only section of this book I found truly helpful, was the Equipment chapter. When I take this book as a whole, I have to say it was obviously rushed into production, before anyone gave thought to what should be between the covers. I found better ideas for making a scoundrel in Complete Adventurer, than I did in this obviously inferior work. It has been growing more obvious that WotC has lost sight of game play in favor of publishing an ever more confusing array of source books. I've been playing D&D, as a player and a DM, since the days of Gary Gygax, and I've seen a lot of changes in the game over the years. WotC is making the same mistake that TSR made in Second edition. Too many rules and source books, and not enough emphasis on role playing. Enough preaching, and I wish you happy gaming!

I ordered this book because I play a rogue and was hoping to get access to new feats, enhance my skills, maybe get a new prestige class worth aiming for with my rogue. The Complete Adventurer really whet my appetite for a rogue-based "complete" book, since it provides so much of value for new feats, weapons, and prestige classes. Unfortunately, the Complete Scoundrel is nowhere near as useful as any other "Complete" book.

Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of new material. The catch is that all of it requires that you design your campaign with that new material. And THAT means that any existing game can not simply plug these new prestige classes, skills, or feats in. There are some new spells that can be used, and there are some new ways of hiding blades and some new alchemy items that might be easily used, but about 95% of this book ends up being useless in an existing game. If you want to DM and have a fairly wild world, this is a good book for you and your players. If you are a player, talk to your DM first before buying this book. If you don't, the Complete Scoundrel might be collecting dust on your bookshelf just like my copy does.

This book is an excellent addition to your D and D library, especially if you like to play a character who uses their wits in place of brawn.

If you are familiar with "The Complete X" line of books from WotC than the layout of this book is no surprise. Prestige classes, new feats, new equipment, etc... Either you need more feats to choose from or you don't, same with Prestige classes. However, please read on.

What is new in this book is what really makes this book stand out, in my opinion. Skill Tricks. These tricks are almost like mini feats. They are extremely useful and come in several varieties. Basically they add a bit more flavor to your already useful skill ranks to get a bit more milage out of a skill check. They aid in combat, movement, awareness checks and other sundry uses.

Face it, if you are attracted to this kind of character to begin with you are going to have a on of skill points, skill points gives you more options and uses for spending them.

This book is a great addition to the complete series! The new luck feats and skill tricks are enjoyable and useful. They added a lot of things that my PCs have wanted to do, but didn't have the rules to do them. Also, as a DM, I'm more comfortable putting deadly traps, jumps or balancing acts into the game with the addition of the luck feats. The rogue in my group has decent rogue skills, but horrible luck when it comes to jumping, climbing walls or anything else that needs to be done now. It really adds that limited safety net that let's you be a little more daring. Because of those feats, I've noticed all of my PCs are more willing to take risks, which give the game a more of a suspenseful, adventurous feel. If you want a Han Solo, Jack Sparrow or Indiana Jones kind of character, you'll get him from this book.

This book is perfect for those players (or DM's) who want to add some jack sparrow-type characters into the game. The new feats and skill tricks are actually a good addition to the games mechanics, and there are some great new prestige classes. It also gives you alot of information on how to play dastardly and quick-witted characters ranging from any alignment. If your someone who wants to play characters that are very humourus and generally crowd-pleasing and fun to play, Then this is your book

This book is pretty good. It is unreasonable to expect that every person is going to use every bit of this book. No one has that much time, or that many characters. Unless of course your characters are suicidal and you roll up a new one every session. To me, if you can pick up a supplement book, pluck out a few classes, feats, and some other good information out of it, chances are its a good buy. Especially considering you can bring that to your gaming group and someone else there might like something that you didn't have a use for. The prestige classes are pretty interesting in terms of class abilities, but I wasn't crazy about them. The enrichment material at the front of the book is excellent though, just like the stuff in PHB2. Solid gold for helping you role-play or just concept a character. The feats and skill tricks presented in this book are also good. In my current campaign I play a Scout (from Complete Adventurer) and I like the character a lot. The problem was, I wasn't getting the full statistical output that my character's personality supports. With the feats in this book, I was able to customize my character by multiclassing in some things without losing some of the Scout class ability progression, which let me make the character into who I felt he should be. The book also has many other feats that make it a lot more appealing to multiclass with levels in a Scoundrel-type class. The skill tricks also add a lot of flavor to your character as well as giving them some cool abilities like some feats give, but with the limitation that they can be used once per day. The book isn't all for the Rogue type, though. It has a fair amount of prestige classes and feats and skill tricks for various casters. To name a few, this book contains the Grey Guard prestige class, sort of like a Paladin with less remorse and more freedom of action. It also has a skill trick that lets anyone with 5 ranks in the Heal skill heal some damage when they stabilize. All in all, I won't use everything in this book, but I will use a good amount of it and it is likely that some of my other players will, too.

I was very excited about pre-ordering this book, as it sounded like just the thing for giving sneaky, underhanded spells/feats to sneaky, underhanded characters.

However, being a scoundrel has nothing to do with being sneaky or underhanded. Or clever. Or...well, anything at all. EVERYONE's a scoundrel, as illustrated by the book's "What is a scoundrel?" section. Darth Vader and Mario (yes, that Mario) are cited as examples.

This book is full of very similar feats (more often than not, they're just "Choose to re-roll" affairs).

I would not recommend it.

there are a few things lacking though, I found the explanations of how everyone in the universe is a scoundrel abit tiresome, and a few things are hideously imbalanced in my opinion as both player and dm.

there are quite a few useful things though, that I found rather nice to have. even if some of the feats really should not be feats and should be something that you can do if you meet the requisites for the feats... but then d&d is riddled with such.. leap attack is a good example... sorry, if you have ranks in jump and powerattack... explain to me why you can't jump power attack?

but meh, thats just me.

Really well done.This product gives the players interested in playing rogues some great options and extra uses for skills for all classes.New prestige classes and core classes,spells,and items.