12 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
Good reason CRI no longer publishes or sells this., February 28, 2007
This review is from: The Cult of the Virgin: Catholic Mariology and the Apparitions of Mary (Cri Books) (Paperback)
A PROTESTANT'S CRITICAL REVIEW:
PRAISE:
They make a few good point here and there, particularly over the extent of her role as mediatrix (esp. dispensatrix - which they fail to examine as closely as they ought), extent of "religious devotion," the failure of the Vatican to actively patrol and correct excesses, and belief in teachings about Mary (not central to the gospel) being required among Catholics for salvation. They are correct on the excesses in writing and praxis which appear to make Mary more approachable than Jesus and the Father, and do a okay job of providing quotes to back it up. There are a few good statements (the last five paragraphs of Chapter 8 were very good). The second part is handled better than the first; The criticism of apparitions is generally good, though operating on dismissive presuppositions. Pacwa's response was generally good (with a couple of exceptions), but not thorough enough. Their response to Pacwa was okay (particularly regarding his handling of a couple of texts), but read their own presuppositions into it the texts.
JUST A FEW OF THE PROBLEMS:
1.) The book is a little out of date. Local bishops (which Rome gives authority to assess such matters) of the area have given the "revelations" at Medjugorje both 'non constat de supernaturalitate,' and 'constat de non supernaturalitate.' This means they believe they are of human (not divine) origin. The Vatican has opposed churches organizing pilgrimages to the site. However, John Paul II did seem to have great interest in it.
2.) The authors seem not to have done much research into church history, or general history for the first half of the book, including the later exchange with Pacwa. Consequently, they are unable to make a reasonable assessment of the origins of the concept of Mary as Mother, or Queen, beyond the common poor assertion of a pagan connection.
3.) Their proposition that these beliefs were guided by some innate need in pagan converts for a universal queen-mother is unhistorical speculation. Hypocritically, they do not apply the same to history and practices in the Old Testament, the New Testament, Christology, and Christian practices (such as baptism and communal meals).
4.) They assert this pagan infection of the faith took place when vast number of pagans entering the Church (this would be the third and fourth century). This is sheer ignorance. They neglect that it was established leaders who taught the converted. Bishops baptized converts, and met in Church counsels. Catechesis was established as early as the second cen.. It actually increases in depth and extent over time. The third and fourth centuries are particularly tough (in both the East and West) to make sure converting pagans knew the faith and were living it. [For a brief review see the section on Christian initiation in Latourette's "A History of Christianity," Vol. 1., and the article on catechetics and catechumens in Fergusen's "Encyclopedia of Early Christianity." For deeper research, ref. Fergusen's bibliography for the article.]
5.) The authors employ numerous fallacious arguments (ad populum, selective evidence, straw men constructed from reductio de absurdum, asserting the consequent, etc.) in building their case. They consistently simply assume the validity of their own presuppositions. One example of ad populum occurs on p. 171 regarding the interp. of Rev. 12. They overlook the fact that the traditional position is well established via the CCC (2853). Even if the assertion were true, it would invalidate the traditional position. They also neglect that Catholics see imagery on several levels (Pacwa mentions in passing).
6.) They consistently twist scripture by selective (fallacy of suppressed evidence) proof -texting for arguments to verify the standard evangelical presuppositions and schema. For instance, asserting that no one but God should receive honor, glory, praise, or even to be bowed/prostrated before (such as royalty) sounds holy and laudable. Problem: It is antibiblical. The biblical position is that everyone is to receive the honor, glory, and praise of which they are worthy. This especially means that only God receives honor, glory, praise, and prostration as God. They include the term adoration in this list. However, the words "adore" and "adoration" do not appear in scripture, and have a variety of meanings: worship due God; love or revere greatly; like a lot. In Catholicism, the second applies to Mary.
7.) The authors (as is the habit of Protestants) assert 'sola scriptura' to bolster their position. However, sola scriptura cannot be substantiated in scripture or history. Such a doctrine would have invalidate the divine inspiration of oral teaching by Christ, the Apostles, and the prophets in the early church. Texts used to support "sola scriptura" do assert the authority of scripture, but do not thereby invalidate other divinely inspired revelation or teaching. They attempt to bolster the argument of "sola scriptura" by implying or asserting the cessation of divine revelation. This is another theological position that is not taught in scripture (i.e. it is non-sola scriptura), and actually seems to be contradicted. ----- In practice, Protestantism doesn't hold to "sola scriptura" either. Protestants speak dogmatically on issues unclear in scripture (eschatology, etc.), sometimes create vagueness on things clear (women elders, etc.), and assert teachings and practices not given in scripture (Joseph and Boaz as O.T. types for Jesus, altar calls, etc.).
8.) The authors consistently portray these Marian issues as a Protestant-Catholic debate. However, they neglect the fact that Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli all held that Mary was the theotokos/mother of God, remained perpetually a virgin, and that they could justify this belief from scripture. Luther also believed she was sinless, the new Eve / new Sarah, Queen, mother of Christians, was assumed into heaven, "we can never honor her enough," "highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ...She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified." Luther stated that, "The true honor of Mary is the honor of God, the praise of God's grace," and "Mary does not wish that we come to her, but through her to God."
9.) They couch arguments with adjectival qualifiers that prejudice the case in their favor. For example, "the unbiblical nature of Marian apparitions" (p. 173). "Unbiblical" is not necessarily "anti-biblical." Of course, such apparitions are "unbiblical"! Mary was alive while the NT was being written, so they did not occur at that time and cannot appear in scriptural history. Even if such an incident appeared in scripture (had Mary died earlier), Protestants would argue that the text "doesn't teach it would happen again," again asserting "sola scriptura." --- This argument shows its true silliness when we realize that every historical event (including miracles done by God) that have happened since the last book of the N.T. was written is historically "unbiblical"; So too, are is much of modern Christian practice and daily living.
10.) Their assertion on the reason for the appearance of Moses and Elijah on the Mount with Christ is pure theological speculation. There position that God could not do similar appearances to other people for other reasons is, again, theological speculation, not from scripture. It is not based on their criteria of "sola scriptura," and is therefore illegitimate as an assertion of truth, faith, and doctrine. It is "unbiblical," being beyond the teaching of scripture.
11.) Some of their assertions/arguments depend entirely on their apparent Premillenial eschatology (exp.: p. 172; pp. 2-3). Needless to say, there are other positions on eschatology held by Protestants and Catholics that disagree with Premillenialism. Amillenialism and Postmillenialism hold that the saints could be or are reigning now. This yields two significant conclusions: 1.) That they are both aware of what is transpiring on earth, possibly able to be approached regarding it, and able act in regards to it. 2.) That it is possible Mary is indeed ruling as Giberah (queen mother) beside, but in subordination to, her Son, King Jesus.
12.) The authors are so Evangelical in mindset as to assert that scripture does not support saints in heaven being aware of what is happening on earth. When Pacwa counters (including reference to the saints under the altar in Revelation crying out, "How long, oh Lord...", and the elders offering the incense which are the prayers of the saints), they brush right by it. They eisegete into the motives of the authors of scripture with ridiculous assertions like, "the authors of scripture REFRAINED from calling her the mother of God, CHOOSING RATHER to call her the mother of Jesus," (emphasis mine) as if they were even thinking about it while writing. [Actually, only John and Luke use it.] By this standard, we note that the authors of scripture also "REFRAINED" from calling Jesus the "God-man," or the "Second Person of the Trinity," "CHOOSING RATHER" to call Him, "Jesus," and "Christ," and "Lord." What of it?
13.) Their methodology in limiting the typological use of Psalm 45 would also eliminate its application to Christ. Yet it is the scriptures themselves that apply it to Christ (Heb. 1:8-9). According to Miller and Samples this would not be possible since this would mean Christ had a queen whom he looked upon with desire. Even if one took the queen (who is the bride in this text) to be the Church, the analogy is problematic (as are all analogies); For if the whole Church is the bride who enters the Lord's palace, who are the virgins that accompany her, and the sons she is to bare? This text does not necessitate, nor deny the Catholic...
Read more ›
Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
Was this review helpful to you? Yes
No