I simply did not like these shoes. I have a wider size 12 M foot, and generally DC shoes are perfect for me. However, in this case, the toe cap area was of a very thin leather material that caused it to pinch my toes. I have experienced this before, but in much cheaper shoes from Payless Shoe Source. I did order a different, MUCH loved pair of DC shoes instead, the Radars. Some are not for all, as the saying goes.