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Did Jesus Fulfill the Law, to put away the Law

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Initial post: Jun 27, 2007 8:52:35 PM PDT
T. Hyyppa says:
I believe Jesus is the word and was the fulfilling of the law

Yes, Jesus did fulfill the Law, (1) He kept the Moral Law, because He was without Sin, He did not do this, so we would not have to. He showed us How to keep the Law (2) He fulfilled the Ceremonial Laws, the type and shadow of His coming and sacrifice of the Sanctuary system. which He nailed to the Cross because He was the Lamb of God, not the Moral Law.

The Lord came to expand the meaning of the Moral Law, if you look further down the verse.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. This does not mean "end" means to fill it up - expand

Go down further Jesus explains:

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

This is an expansion of the Law, for our understanding where Sin begins. In the Heart.

Isaiah prophesied when the Lord comes:
Isaiah 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it Honorable

So how did the Lord, put away the Law, the 10 Commandments - He didn't He came to expand them - and Make them Honorable.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

You see, as Christians we are to establish the law and make it Honorable, by keeping it by faith, by the Lords power to do so. All 10 of them.

Why? Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

What Spirit - Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you[Holy Spirit], and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. According to the Word of God, the spirit of God is going to give you the power to Obey the Commandment by faith - of proof of faith that you are a child of the Living God.

28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Sin produces bondage, if we are under the Law or under condemnation because of sin, the Lord frees us from the letter of the Law, judgment - because the wages of sin is death, gives us new life thought the Spirit of God, to save us from sin, and the power to keep from sin.

The only definition of Sin, is found in 1 John 3:4 for sin is the transgression of the Law.

If we are in the Spirit of the Lord, we walk in the Law, the Law of Liberty. We keep the Law by faith, because we love the Lord who freed us from the bondage of Sin and Death. Obedience is the fruit of faith in God in us. Galations 2:20

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 4:47:45 AM PDT
Pen Name says:
Take a look at Hebrews 10:11, 12

"11And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering time and again the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down at the right hand of God,"

When Jesus stated that he came to fulfill the law, he was not talking about helping people to understand the law. Yes, he did do some of that, as in the passage you mentioned. The fulfillment of the law was the death of Jesus on the cross. The law requires death as a punishment for sin. The law provided a means of delaying that punishment for a year by the sacrifice of an animal. Individual sins could be covered, temporarily, by the sacrice of more animals. This is why the priests mentioned in Hebrews 10:11 are said to stand offering sacrice that cannot take away sin. The sacrifice that Jesus made is different. He was not guilty, so he could serve as the propitiation for our sins. He was able to say "it is finished." As a high priest, he was able to sit down because there is no more work that is required to pay our sin debt. Jesus did not do away with the law, but his sacrifice has fulfilled it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 5:35:58 AM PDT
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glenn says:
This is a very interesting question to me and one that I don't think has been wrestled with enough. I am grateful you brought it up.

In the most simple terms Jesus said, 'this is my blood of the new covenant'.
A new covenant supercedes and replaces the old covenant.
Jesus said 'not one jot or tittle of the law would be removed until all is fulfilled'. He fulfilled it.
Col 2 " 16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ." This specifically abrogates the Sabbath law.
The dietary laws were specifiaclly superceded in other verses.

So we can see that at least some of the 10 commandments and other laws were specifically superceded.
The question now might be, "What about those laws which seem to reflect God's nature and those laws that are not specifically supported or abolished by the New Convenant?"
Tithing might be an example. I don't remember a specific NT command to tithe. Is it a sin to not tithe?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 9:48:29 AM PDT
Pen Name says:
James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Luke 11:42 - But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus included tithing on a list of things that should be done. Hebrews 7:8 implies that tithing is good. James tells us that to not do what we know is good is a sin. So the logical conclusion is that it is a sin to not tithe. That being said, I don't think God wants us to count seed to make sure we have an exact 10%. It would be better to round up and and give a figure that is at least 10%.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 10:41:41 AM PDT
Dear Deep Blue and Glenn,

Excellent posts on Jesus' fullfillment of the law.

Jesus said He gave us a new commandment - to love one another. I believe this command of love reflects God's nature and love was the basis for all the law.

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

John 15:12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.

John 15:17 "This I command you, that you love one another.

Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 37 And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38 "This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' 40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 10:54:57 AM PDT
MONK says:

If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have
kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Do you see what Jesus is telling us? WE need to keep HIS (Jesus) commandments because HE (Jesus) HAS KEPT HIS FATHER'S COMMANDMENTS!!! Jesus is talking about two sets of commandments: 1. His commandments 2. His Father's commandments. If Jesus had been speaking about the 10 Commandments, He would not have made any distinction between two sets of commandments. The verse would have read: "Keep the commandments and abide in my love, just as I have kept the commandments and abide in my father's love".
"If you want to keep the Law, it can be summed up in 2 commandments that are virtually the same:

1.Love God totally
2.Love your neighbor as you would yourself

Keep these and you have fulfilled your entire obligation to the Law!
Jesus went one step further in explaining our obligation to the Law...

"This is MY commandment, that you LOVE one another as I have LOVED you." (Christian LOVE Christian) (John 15:12)

And He also added:

"But I say unto you that hear, (Christian): LOVE your enemies, do good to those who hate you." (Luke 6:27,Matthew 5:44)

Jesus said to keep HIS commandments and abide in HIS LOVE even as He has kept His Father's Ten Commandments perfectly for us and abides in His Father's LOVE after perfectly fulfilling the Law for us.

So here are Jesus' commandments:

1. LOVE God
2. LOVE your neighbor
3. LOVE yourself
4. LOVE one another
5. LOVE your enemy

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 11:10:49 AM PDT
T. Hyyppa says:
Quote:Col 2:16 LET NO MAN therefore JUDGE YOU in meat, or in drink, or IN RESPECT OF AN HOLY DAY, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

If this is holding you back from the Truth of the Sabbath, Great - lets take a look at scripture. And lets follow its teaching.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What was blotted out? - handwriting of ordinances - who's handwriting? Moses - Numbers 36:13
These are the commandments and the judgments, which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses unto the children of Israel. The Moral Law was not handwriting of ordinances.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The Bible states there are two laws of commandments, One Moral and one contained in ordinances. Where was this law of handwriting from Moses located.

Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

What was in the Ark - the Moral Law - includes the Sabbath. one the Side of the Ark - was the law of moses commandments contained in ordinances - feast days, and there Sabbaths.

Why was the laws of ordinances needed or required by the Lord?

Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions[what transgressions], till the seed[who is the seed] should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

because of sin, the Law of ordinances where instituted to preach the gospel to the Old testament saints. But they where to be put away after the death of Jesus Christ, which He fulfilled.

That is why we do not need to keep Moses law, or the 613 laws, because of the Cross of Christ. But the Moral law has never been put away because it is not against us.

Because the Law is perfect in converting the Soul. Psalm 19:7

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: These where the Feast days, and the special moon sabbaths.
The Moral Law - 4th Commandment is the true Christian Sabbath, not Sunday.

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Moral law we keep, because we love our Saviour because He saved us from Sin.

Obedience to the Laws of God - shows our love to him by faith. Love toward your fellow man is keeping the Commandments of God. Amen

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 11:33:32 AM PDT
T. Hyyppa says:
It is God's grace that saves us and by His grace we keep the law!

Like two oars -- pull either one too strongly and you go in circles.

Here's some verses for thought:

We often hear the statement - "We are saved by grace, period. The law frustrates grace."
Yes, we are saved by grace! But what does it mean? Does it, as some claim, separate obedience from grace?

Eph. 2.8-10
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

Already we see a little problem here. Paul just wrote we are saved by GRACE not works and then he turns around and says we need to walk in the good works God ordained for us.

What does he mean?
Simple-- we are lost without Christ, nothing we do can earn us justification, but once justified and in Christ -- we do the works. "Let no one deceive you, he who does righteousness, is righteous," the apostle John tells us. (1 John3:7) In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Paul also tells us not to be deceived for those who do the works of evil will not inherit eternal life.

But let's look at other texts that speak of grace.

Luke 2.40
"And the child (Jesus) grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the GRACE of God was upon him."

John 1.14
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of GRACE and truth."

These texts are speaking about Jesus, full of grace and truth. Why did He need grace? Why was God's grace on Him? Isn't grace only undeserved favor? Why would Jesus need grace? What does GRACE mean? How was Jesus able to live without sin? Could grace have a very important part in this?

In childhood Jesus was an obedient child. He spoke and acted with the wisdom of a child and not of a man, honoring His parents and carrying out their wishes in helpful ways, according to the ability of a child. But at each stage of His development He was perfect, with the simple, natural grace of a sinless life. The Bible says of His childhood, "The child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him." And of His youth it is recorded, "Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man." Luke 2:40, 52.

Acts 4.33
And with great power the apostles witnessed of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great GRACE was upon them all.

What does grace have to do with witnessing with power?
Does a pure, sanctified heart have something to do with being able to witness with power?
Could grace be involved with cleansing the heart as well as empowering the messenger?

Acts 20.32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his GRACE, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Again we are seeing the word grace used in ways that are not common to modern thought. Grace is able to build us up and sanctify us. GRACE does more than forgive us of our sins. Here we plainly read Grace sanctifies and builds us up!

Romans 1.4-5
(Jesus) is declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE to the faith among all nations, for his name.

Grace and obedience, how do they fit together?
We receive GRACE for obedience!

Romans 3.23,24 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Ah, that's more along the lines we like to hear, and there are more texts like this one! Forgiveness--just as if we had never sinned! Yes, the grace that justifies the sinner, is truly wonderful. But don't forget all those other texts, how do they fit in? Justifications does not do away with the law. The law defines sin. If law is gone there is no sin, and there is no need for justification! Yes, we are justified freely, when we come to Christ and confess our sins (1 John 1:9)-- but justification isn't the end of the story-- we need to be cleansed and sanctified -- sin must be purged from our Characters. Can Christ's grace accomplish this as well?

Is the promise of Jude 24 "he is able to keep you from falling" truth?

1 Cor. 15.10
But BY THE GRACE OF GOD I AM WHAT I AM: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Is there more to grace than just the forgiveness of sins?
Grace, praise God, means the forgiving of our sins. But grace does much more -- it renews, transforms and creates in us a new heart and mind, writing the law of God therein. By the grace of God we do the works God has set before us and we develop godly lives.

While the Bible says we frustrate grace by legalism it also says grace can be given in vain if we do not allow it to mold us. Paul acknowledges his life is a testimony of what God's grace can do and declares grace was not bestowed upon him in vain.

Hebrews 10:26-31
If we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth....
trample the son of God underfoot, count the blood of the covenant by which we are sanctified a common thing and insult the Spirit of GRACE? The Lord will judge His people.

Who is the Spirit of Grace? It is the Holy Spirit, who convicts of sin and leads people into righteousness. It is the Holy Spirit Who writes God's law upon the heart!

Isaiah 30.1
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin.

The Holy Spirit, Who we just discovered is the Spirit of Grace, will not offer people a covering of grace under which people can add sin to sin! Yet that is what is now promoted as Biblical Grace in the modern interpretations! Sin is defined by God's moral law. The idea that grace does away with God's moral law and covers the sinner who does not take obedience seriously, is not Biblical!

2 Cor. 9.8
"And God is able to make all GRACE abound toward you; that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:"

Here Paul again links grace with works again. God gives us grace that we may do His good works
Grace and works? The two go together! They are not opposed to each other. But this Biblical truth is in totally contradiction to the gospel now being preached.

2 Thess. 2.16-17
"Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, who loved us, and has given us everlasting consolation and good hope THROUGH GRACE, Comfort your hearts, and ESTABLISH you in every GOOD WORD AND WORK."

Notice that Grace establishes us in EVERY good word and work.
Obviously, to be saved by grace means more than forgiveness from sin.
To be saved by grace establishes us in right doing.

2 Tim. 2.1
"Thou therefore, my son, BE STRONG IN THE GRACE that is in Christ Jesus."

Grace gives us strength! Does this not show that the grace of God enables us for righteous living?

Hebs. 12.13-16
And make straight paths for your feet, so those who are lame won't be turned out of the way; but let it rather find healing. Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: LOOKING DILIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

How can a man fail of the grace of God? We are to follow holiness? Without it shall not see the Lord. If we do not follow holiness we fail of the Grace of God.

1 Peter 1.13-15
Therefore guard the wandering thoughts of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the GRACE that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As OBEDIENT children, do not conform to the former evil desires you indulged in, in your ignorance: but as He who has called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;

Peter links Grace with obedience and calls us guard our minds and desires. He tells us God has called us to be holy! What does it mean to be holy in the context of this verse?
Remember too, Paul told us the commandments (yes, the ten--see Romans 7) are just, good and HOLY. Sin is the opposite of those just, good and HOLY commandments.

So if grace makes us holy, would we not be then keeping the holy law of God?
Would not the law of sin which reigns in our members and is in complete opposition to the holy law of God, be put to death. (See Romans 6 and 8)

So what does it mean to be saved by grace?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2007 8:32:10 PM PDT
You are right on with your excellent post, Bruce A. White !!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 6:36:06 AM PDT
T. Hyyppa says:
The Lord definds love: not you or I

The two Laws of love are in the old testament, The two Laws (hold the 10 Commandments) like the two arms that have two hands with (10) finders.

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Loving your neigbour is keeping the Royal Law, What is Loving your neigbour - Honour your parents - you will not kill them - you will not sleep with their mates - you will not take their things - you will not slander them (gossip) - you will not covet their stuff.

4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might

How do you love God with all your heart, soul, and all your might.

Keeping the first 4 commandments. Love means you keep the Law by choice [not force] - free will

The Lord does not force you or me to keep His Commandments. That is why He says.

IF you LOVE Me, Keep my Commandments.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 6:54:07 AM PDT
T. Hyyppa,

"The Lord came to expand the meaning of the Moral Law"
-> this is an interesting interpretation, very unique... and I disagree with it fully. there was definitely no expansion of the law in any way, shape, or form. there was only an EXplanAtion of the Law. from the very beginning the law was aimed not merely at outward obedience, but at the inward heart. if you miss this understanding, then you will have a very scewed view of the OT, beginning with Cain and Abel's sacrifice.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 7:30:06 AM PDT
glenn says:
I agree with running.
Hyypa's interpretation seems torturous and strained. Separatring the Moral and Written law seems unsupported.
However, even if we accept the idea that the Law (entirely) is fulfilled (superceded) we are still left with what to think of actions that were clearly against god in the OT and not specifically addressed in the NT.
Homosexuality may be an example. Certainly it is clear how God viewed it in the OT. It is not so clear in the NT. Is it still a sin?
What about other issues that are even less well addressed in the NT?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 8:00:40 AM PDT
goodnews says:
How about Matthew 5:17,18
"Do not think I come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, that until Heaven and earth dissappear, not the smallest letter or least pen stroke will dissappear from the law until all is accomplished."

Heaven and earth have not dissappeared, and I certainly hope not all has been accomplished, given the state of the world.
I personally take it that Jesus came to fulfill and complete the law, not change it or get rid of it.
Adultery, for example, is still against the law, but now we know it is not just the act, but the act of the heart (looking at others with lust going through your head in other words).
The blood atonement for sin has not changed either, but has been completed in Jesus. His blood is the final atonement for all sin. Again, the law did not change, it was just fulfilled. We do not need to kill anymore animals and offer up sacrifice for our sin, but it is STILL blood that atones sin, as in the law.


In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 8:08:28 AM PDT
glenn says:

do you honor the sabbath?
on saturday?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 8:11:26 AM PDT
goodnews says:
I honor Him everyday


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 8:38:36 AM PDT
glenn says:
I'm sure you honor God everyday.
Do you keep His sabbath Holy? On Saturday?

Very few christians do.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 8:49:49 AM PDT
Jesus scoffed at the Pharisees for condemning him when he healed on the Sabbath. "waah he isn't keeping the Sabbath holy! Kill him!" But Jesus kept doing it. He responded by saying
"Is it wrong to do good on the Sabbath? Do you not go out and save your calf if it falls into a ditch on the Sabbath? You would not say 'it is the Sabbath, so I cannot pull him out'"
He also said "Haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? I tell you that one greater than the temple is here."
"If you had known what these words mean, `I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath"

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 9:16:44 AM PDT
goodnews says:
to Glenn
I do not rest on Saturday, as you are asking. I will not get into a religious argument about which day is the Sabbath, or how to keep it. The Bible tells us not to.
I will say that in my own circumstances at this point in my life, I join with the church body that I am worshipping with on Wednesday nights for prayer and healing service, Thursday nights for musicians worship and music practice, Sunday mornings for a regular worship service, sometimes Sunday nights for prayer, sometimes Saturdays for other functions we have from time to time like evangelistic outreaches. Those days may be picked apart by theoleans, I understand, and if I am in the wrong, I will answer to my Lord for that, not to them. In the meantime, I try to honor God every minute of every day, with my life choices, my words, my actions, and my prayer. Not just on sunday, Saturday, or any other designated time.
Jesus Healed on the sabath, which was against the law. He was rejected by the religious leaders for that too. I think He was trying to tell us something about the completion of the law maybe?


In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 9:53:35 AM PDT
glenn says:
brother, i won't argue either but your earlier post seemed to disagree.
"Heaven and earth have not dissappeared, and I certainly hope not all has been accomplished, given the state of the world."

If the Law is not fulfilled (superceded) then why don't we keep the sabbath and all of the other laws? Why didn't the early Christians?

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 10:09:22 AM PDT
goodnews says:
Jesus DID fulfill the law, so we do NOT revert back (as the church in Galatia did)
I do not have an answer to the behaviour of early christians, or anyone else back then for that matter. They did not even know what germs were back then, but we now know to wash our hands after handling dead bodies and before we eat. Ignorance is destructive. With time we will eventually gain an understanding of the truth, and hopefully some of this type of confusion will be put behind us.


In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 11:14:53 AM PDT
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T. Hyyppa says:
Booklady : we do not have the authority to justify breaking God's Law, by His Grace. This is Disgrace.

Where in the Bible does the Lord give us the authority to change His Law. If we worship God every day "how do you work" worship and work in God's definition are two different things.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: {glorify the Lord, by keeping His Commandment during your work hours}

10 "But" the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: {very clear "worship" is no work "secular work"}

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. {because - it is a test of loyalty that the Lord created everything.}

Sabbath keepers by commandment of the Lord, preach the Law, because christians make void the Law by Faith! and Claim the Blood of Christ to do so.

The Law is a mirror: which shows Sin, So why do christians cover the Mirror: The Mirror of God "the 10 Commandments" shows are need for the Lord and His saving grace.

If you cover one of the Commandments, people do not see there sin, and will perish because of Lawlessness.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer "under" a schoolmaster.

Why are we not under a schoolmaster. Because we are walking "IN" the Law of Christ by faith and His power to do so.

Proverbs 29:18
but he that "keepeth the law", happy is he. If people look at the Law of God as steps to keep or a list to keep "they will never be happy" when self rules the Heart, God's Law of life has no place. selfishness is the Root of all Sin, The Lord looks for wilful chose to serve Him.

If the Law of God given by His Love for us, a gift from the creator,[Kings have Government's with Laws, and force to enforce them] We deserve death because we have broken His law, the Lord came down "by His choice"[mercy and grace] to take the Breach for us "of the Judgment" that must come, by taking our punishment. If the Law of God is burdonsome "now" with the Grace of God to restablish the Law in our Hearts, with the power to do so. Heaven will be a Bore. Heaven Has rules[laws]. In heaven you will not be happy. No one will be in heaven that fears to keep His commandments only those who love Him, and are willing to do His will.

The Sabbath will be continual in Heaven.

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from "one new moon to another", and from "one sabbath" to "another", shall all flesh come to "worship before me", saith the LORD

Heaven will be on this earth after the 1000 year reign, The Moon is still on its rotation, sabbath every Month, and One Sabbath to another, "a weekly Sabbath" to worship God in a 24 hour time period.

Get ready! His sabbath is a delight, people make it a yoke of bondage. Sin is Bondage, the Law of God is a delight.

Christians surrender to the Lord [they are teachable and guidable]. Many want His saving Power, but none of His Lordship. IF He is not The King of All, He's not King at All.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2007 8:52:50 PM PDT
MONK says:
Thank You! I have been teaching this for years, trying to get the point across one person at a time. Peace, Light and LOVE,

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 29, 2007 12:22:51 PM PDT
Is God the same yesterday, today, and forever? Does He change His mind? Can you give even one example of God changing His mind about sin? If homosexuality was a sin in the Old Testament, you can rest assured it is still a sin today.
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