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Discipline (Jpn Lp Sleeve) (Bonus Track)

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Several years after the band broke up, Robert Fripp resurrected King Crimson, but in a way no one would have expected. Returning was drummer Bill Bruford, and joining was bassist/stickist/backing vocalist Tony Levin and one of the few who could stand next to Robert Fripp holding his chosen instrument and not look inept, guitarist/vocalist Adrian Belew. Originally a band called Discipline, Fripp realized this was King Crimson and renamed the band. Wrapped in a red sleeve with a Celtic knot on the cover, this album is in many ways as the cover implies-- intertwining and interlocking-- Fripp and Belew's guitars play complex lines that live with each other and don't stand without each other, supported by Levin's thunderous bass and melody vs. countermelody playing on the stick. Below all of this, Bruford is easily holding it all together. The album is one of the true greats of its era, and is certainly among the best Crimson has ever recorded.

From the opener, "Elephant Talk", you know you're in for something different-- Levin's melody/countermelody intro overlayed with two intertwined guitars, elephant squeals on guitar, a half-spoken vocal, and two bizarre guitar solos. Five minutes later, you're overwhelmed, what's amazing is that its got a groove, its a great rhythm, its just plain amazing.

The rest of the album pretty much follows suit in terms of being brilliant to the point of overwhelming while the environment and the mood changes-- interlocking guitars rule several of the songs (the breathtaking "Frame By Frame", with impassioned vocals and some of the fastest guitar licks you'll ever hear, the frantic "Thela Hun Ginjeet", and the title track-- an instrumental where you can really hear Fripp and Belew get into a groove). These are offset by a couple great ballads ("Matte Kudasai", with its beautiful slide guitar seagulls and an almost lazy feel to the vocal, "The Sheltering Sky", featuring a horn-toned Fripp guitar melody). In the middle of all of this is a piece that sounds like it would fit the last generation of Crimson better-- "Indiscipline". Building tension until the release-- an explosion of guitar pyrotechnics and a blazing solo that almost seems out of place here, but works.

Something of note-- this is NOT a progressive rock album (in terms of the genre)-- in fact, its got more in common with new wave acts like the Talking Heads and the Police than it does with Yes and early Genesis. One of the reasons why I love Crimson so much is unlike many of those other progressive rock bands, they didn't stand still, they grew and changed and became something else over time.

Bottom line though-- this is one of the greats, highly recommended.

After the release of 1974's "Red," King Crimson guitarist/leader Robert Fripp declared to the press, "King Crimson is over. Forever and ever." But seven years later, Fripp changed his mind and resurrected the band. Hooking up again with Crimson drummer Bill Bruford, and with new recruits Adrian Belew on guitar and vocals and bassist Tony Levin, King Crimson came roaring back to life with 1981's "Discipline." But this was certainly not the same Crimson of yor. You still had Fripp and Bruford from the classic Crimson line-up, but with the addition of Belew's soaring voice & frenetic guitar, Levin's ominous basslines, and a more streamlined approach to the music---including some more melodic elements than usual from Crimson---the band's sound was practically re-written from scratch with "Discipline." And some fans didn't like it, dismissing this version of King Crimson as "The Adrian Belew Band." But, for the more open-minded Crimheads, "Discipline" was exciting and fresh, a glorious new direction for this classic prog-rock band. And I agree. Even with more melodies, the band are still very much in a prog mode on this album. They didn't go pop. It's just *different* prog music than what they did before. From the great, interlocking grooves & sonics of "Elephant Talk," to the wistful beauty of "Matte Kudasai," to the frantic musical AND lyrical attack of "Thela Hun Ginjeet," to the hypnotic sounds of the instrumental "The Sheltering Sky," this album is simply amazing, the musical chemistry between Fripp, Bruford, Belew and Levin outstanding. With "Discipline," King Crimson opened the second chapter of their impressive musical career with a daring, challenging, powerful work. This is easily one of the band's very best albums.

"Court of the Crimson King," "Lark's Tongue in Aspic" and "Starless and Bible Black" may define the "classic" King Crimson, but "Discipline" has to be high tide for Fripp's creativity, inspiration, musicianship and genius.

This disc only qualifies as prog-rock because, even after all of this time, there isn't a genre it comfortably fits in. Fripp had just completed groundbreaking collaborations with Eno and Bowie, as well as work with Peter Gabriel. Out of that experience he created a very personal distillation of the most exciting elements of African poly-rhythms, new wave esthetics, minimalism and Berlin electronica filtered through his own neo-classical approach, and the result of that was two absolute masterpieces (his solo album "Exposure" and the reinvented King Crimson's "Discipline").

"The Sheltering Sky" is a timeless gem. Part soundscape, part ambient piece, part improvisational instrumental, this piece creates a sound world I could stay inside for another 20 minutes without tiring of.

"Discipline" combines Steve Reich style minimalism (in fact, this track reminds me of the best aspects of Reich's "Drumming" but is far more pleasurable listening) with rigid classical structure weaving in and out of a bed of African poly-rhythms.

"Indiscipline" is more amusing when you know that the bizarrely cryptic lyrics are in fact a letter Belew's wife wrote to him describing a sculpture she completed while he was away recording.

As great as this CD is, it has some weak spots. Belew's guitar on "Elephant Talk" sounds more novelty than clever with 30 years of perspective. Up against the rest of the tracks, "Frame by Frame" feels more like filler now. And the song's lyrics don't quite match the brilliant musicianship on "Matte Kudasai."

If you want one album to represent King Crimson in your collection, choose one of the three "classic" albums. But if you want King Crimson at their most inventive, get this one.

Let's go back to 1981, when the Talking Heads were waking up the experimental musician in all of us, and we saw a new way of grooving to the beat. I found myself browsing in the "Alternative" section of a music store. I was looking for "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts" under Byrne/Eno but somebody just stuck this album under "B". Would you believe that I bought it because I THOUGHT THE COVER ART WAS COOL?????

So, I bring it home, and take it out, and pop it onto the stereo. I left the room for a second and IMMEDIATELY CAME RUNNING BACK IN to hear "Elephant Talk", the ABSOLUTELY TIGHTEST PIECE OF MUSIC I'D EVER HEARD!!! I danced, I jumped, I yelled, I raged, I slammed, I called friends to get over as fast as they could and listen to it. I wore that album out in less than a year, and had to have the store order me another one.

This album opened my mind to how tight music and beat and interweaving of different instruments to make one single sound can be done. In my opinion, it has never been matched. This album is so perfect in its composition. It is balanced, it rocks, it is complex, it is simple, and you can rage to it but it's also trancelike.

Adrian Belew and Robert Fripp are at their highest form on this record. It stands the test of time - I own the CD and it's a favorite of mine. You can't go wrong. Try it now.

Oh...I still think the cover art is cool.

My first exposure to the 80's incarnation of King Crimson was in the early 80s when I bought Beat after seeing and MTV News bit about how the classic progressive rock group had defied history by maintaining the same lineup for two albums in a row.

I probably just lost a lot of you with a sentence that seems incoherent but yes, at one time MTV did acknowledge a wide variety of music. Bear with me.

Raised on FM radio and just beginning to scratch the surface of prog rock with Rush I was thoroughly underwhelmed by King Crimson's effort which sounded poppy and more than a little like Talking Heads.

Fast forward 20 years and I had read glowing reviews of Discipline, the KC album recorded prior to Beat. I decided to give it a listen.

I was thoroughly amazed.

Discipline is almost transcendent- it not only captured what was happening in music at that time but looked forward to what music could become as well as standing as an example of what King Crimson as a band is all about.

If you want to understand Yes, listen to Close to the Edge.
If you want to understand Rush, listen to Moving Pictures.
If you want to understand King Crimson, listen to Discipline.

When you have soaked this record in you may say to yourself, "I just heard pure music- music that exists outside time."

Or you may say to yourself, "I know why Bill Bruford left Yes to be a part of this."

Or you may say to yourself, "I know why Robert Fripp told Bruford after Close to the Edge, 'I think you are ready for King Crimson now.'"

Or you may find yourself paraphrasing the words of the protagonist of Indiscipline:

I do remember one thing.
It took hours and hours but..
By the time I was done with it,
I was so involved, I didnt know what to think.
I carried it around with me for days and days..
Playing little games
Like not listening to it for a whole day
And then... listening to it.
To see if I still liked it.
I did.

In short, this album is King Crimson at their finest: less a band than a laboratory to create music that defies definition as it hits you on the intellectual, emotional and visceral levels.

Buy it.

This is an abbreviated review of the new version released this past week. 40th anniversary with Steve Wilson's help.
Firstly, for anyone familiar with the packaging and bundling greed of the new Pink Floyd releases and the new Jethro Tull Aqualung release should be very thankful for what Fripp has given us here.(Again) To have these releases in 5.1 with bonus content along with the 30th anniversary mixes is just incredible. Not only that, but at a reasonable price too! Steve Wilson is just brilliant. There are what I would describe as subtle shifts on the new mixes of the album and more significant changes in the Wilson "alternate mixes." (Rhythm guitars particularly) This guy knows exactly what to highlight and when. It is like listening to the album all over again. There are even "rough mixes." in the extras. Nice liner notes as usual too... CRAZY GOOD! *Fripp states in these liner notes that he is REALLY happy with this project/new mix. If Fripp is happy you know it's good!I totally reccommend this 2 disc set. What a great deal, especially in light of the ripp offs going on where they expect you to shell out ober $100 just to get the 5.1 mixes! (EG Tull and Floyd) ***The 5.1 mix in just incredible! What an experience.
*I am having computer problems right now but for anyone on the fence about this purchase, do it! Great band great work!

Some seven years after Robert Fripp declared King Crimson dead post "Red," there was much surprise in the music world when he re-appeared not only with a four-piece rock band, but slapping the name King Crimson upon it. Just to make sure it would get the intellectual ears to ponder it, he gave it the academic and spiritually highbrow moniker "Discipline." Because as anyone worth their prog-rock smarts would tell you, playing good highbrow rock required it.

But what shook a lot of people at the time was how the usually reserved Fripp gave the front mic to Adrian Belew, whose more light-hearted (read "American") persona was so different from Fripp's. Add old KC alum Bill Bruford and US Bass/chapman stick wiz Tony Levin and you had a clash of continents that made for perfect chemistry. Fripp's mathematical guitar "fripperies" balance Belew's animal noises with impeccable beauty and more that a dash of humor. The two cuts to gather the airplay, "Elephant Talk" and "Thela Hun Ginjeet," seemed to favor Belew, who obviously was having a ball barking out the alliterations on "Elephant Talk." Bringing some of his polyrhythmic skills over from sidelining with Talking Heads, Belew brought the rock to Fripp's highbrow.

When the band decided to wax artistic, though, Belew delivered. The lovely "Matte Kudasi" may be one of his finest hours on any album, and the lyric to "Indiscipline" captured the love/hate relationship an artist can have with his words. The final, title track is also terrific fusion rock, the instrumental work that is positively electric. Levin's work on this song in particular and the album overall, probably brought the inventor of The Chapman Stick a whole new clutch of devotees.

Fripp may have looked on the new King Crimson as an academic exercise (the new liner notes are often unintentionally funny in their seriousness), but these four virtuosos under Fripp's strict hand held together to make some brilliant music. "Discipline" is best thought of as the high water mark in a trio that includes "Beat" and "Three of a Perfect Pair." By combining some of the ferocity of new wave (there are hints of Talking Heads and The Police among the songs here), proved that the new line-up of Kind Crimson lived up the legacy of its namesake.

I like both the earlier incarnations of this band, and the eighties line up featuring Levin and Belew.

This is an awesome recording. From beginning to the end, it commands your attention and takes you through a diverse collection of musical landscapes. There's some hard edged playing and incrediblly technical passages (still delivered with wonderful nuance), often with an ambient third world underpinning. Play it very loud.



Elephant Talk - sure the guitar work is top-notch, but check out Belews clever lyrics and impassioned vocals. Awesome.

Frame by Frame - I love this tune. The architecture of the guitar lines is impeccable. These guys can play very technically challenging music, but they never loose sight of musicality. Great interplay of the two guitars.

Matte Kudasai - very sweet ballad, maybe Belew's best.

Indiscipline - WOW. This is some heavy stuff.Terrific. Crazy vox on this one!!

Thela Hun Gingeet - Freaky stuff... Belew gets a clever, funny paranoic rap going on this one, over a awesome world beat vibe. Levin's bass playing here (and everywhere, really) is rock solid.

The Sheltering Sky - awesome tune. An instumental where Fripps sweet guitar synth playing is featured with some exotic percussion and wonderfully played backing ensemble. While Bruford's percussion and Fripps guitar are at the forefront, the ensemble playing is perfect. Atmospheric music.

Disclipline - Who else could create an instumental like this...these guys play in odd-time signatures so fluidly and naturally. Nice instumental ensemble feature to close things out with style. No one member stands out here, they all play as one instrument.

The sound quality on this is impeccable. Incredible on 'phones, and even better on a great stereo when things are quiet in the house.

"Discipline" is practically an audio zoo in the great number of different sounds it uses. This 5-channel remix brings great clarity to the project and shows how much care Rhett Davies and Nigel Mills took in their original recording of the band. I love the way Adrian Belew's voice comes through with great presence in the center channel. His voice has a rich, warm, sound with minimal reverb and I think this new mix shows his talents as a singer much better than the stereo original (I hope you have a good center channel speaker). His kooky lyrics are definitely an acquired taste, but at least you can't accuse him of lapsing into rock and roll clichés!

Those of you Roxy Music fans lucky enough to have heard the (currently out of print) SACD of "Avalon" know what a fine job Rhett Davies did bringing that recording into the multichannel universe, but here we have musician/engineer Steve Wilson in the driver's seat. Steve loves to utilize all the channels he has at his disposal, but he fits the mix to the particular song and I don't think he goes overboard here, although there's sometimes quite a bit of action in the rear channels.

Highlights for me include "Elephant Talk," with its bendy notes introducing the album (Robert Fripp's extensive notes in the accompanying booklet mention that the song "Discipline" was an earlier pick for track one), the gentle soundscape of "Matte Kudasai," and the high-powered madness of "Indiscipline." The title track is also a favorite and Bill Bruford's drums (does anybody else sound quite like him?) have never sounded better.

It isn't surprising that this album has no one star reviews (at least not at the time of this writing) as it is one of the best albums of the 1980's, and one of King Crimson's enduring masterpieces. It was the first album after a seven year hiatus, and Fripp and company didn't start where they left off from 1974's Red. Fripp, Bill Bruford, and new members Adrian Belew and Tony Levin went off in a completely different direction, and it was brilliant. My favorite songs are the opener Elephant Talk, the equally beautiful songs Frame by Frame and Matte Kudesai, and the scary and tense Thela Hun Jingeet. There isn't a dud on the whole album, and honestly, all of my Crimson albums are pretty damn solid. They weren't a band to waste notes. This was also my first King Crimson album, one that I still love.