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Does Feminism Discriminate Against Men?: A Debate (Point/Counterpoint (Oxford Paperback)) [Paperback]

Warren Farrell , Steven Svoboda , James P. Sterba
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October 10, 2007 019531283X 978-0195312836
Does feminism give a much-needed voice to women in a patriarchal world? Or is the world not really patriarchal? Has feminism begun to level the playing field in a world in which women are more often paid less at work and abused at home? Or are women paid equally for the same work and not abused more at home? Does feminism support equality in education and in the military, or does it discriminate against men by ignoring such issues as male-only draft registration and boys lagging behind in school?
The only book of its kind, this volume offers a sharp, lively, and provocative debate on the impact of feminism on men. Warren Farrell--an international best-selling author and leader in both the early women's and current men's movements--praises feminism for opening options for women but criticizes it for demonizing men, distorting data, and undervaluing the family. In response, James P. Sterba--an acclaimed philosopher and ardent advocate of feminism--maintains that the feminist movement gives a long-neglected voice to women in a male-dominated world and that men are not an oppressed gender in today's America. Their wide-ranging debate covers personal issues, from love, sex, dating, and rape to domestic violence, divorce, and child custody. Farrell and Sterba also look through their contrasting lenses at systemic issues, from the school system to the criminal justice system; from the media to the military; and from health care to the workplace.
A perfect book to get students thinking and debating, Does Feminism Discriminate Against Men? A Debate is ideal for courses in gender studies, sociology, psychology, economics, feminist philosophy, and contemporary moral issues. It is also compelling reading for anyone interested in the future of men and women.

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"Lucid in argument and presentation, beautifully organized, highly readable, very engaging, and well-documented. Both contributions to the volume are rich with examples, which are bound to speak to a very large spectrum of readers. The two pieces balance each other beautifully. I cannot think of anyone better qualified than these two writers to take on the tasks of presenting and examining critically these arguments. This is a book that I would seriously consider using in a course on contemporary moral issues."--Claudia Card, University of Wisconsin-Madison


"The relationship between men and feminism has never been addressed in such an exciting and accessible way, or with such extensive and engaging evidence and anecdotes."--Tom Digby, Springfield College


"Farrell contributes countless concrete examples, so that it is easy for the reader to understand his points. Sterba contributes a model of philosophical argumentation in action in the real world."--Alison Jaggar, University of Colorado at Boulder


About the Author

James P. Sterba is a Professor of Philosophy, University of Notre Dame

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  • Paperback: 272 pages
  • Publisher: Oxford University Press, USA (October 10, 2007)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 019531283X
  • ISBN-13: 978-0195312836
  • Product Dimensions: 5.5 x 0.5 x 8.2 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 10.4 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 4.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (10 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #280,290 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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Dr. Warren Farrell began his research on gender issues in the '60s. His first book, The Liberated Man, was published in 1974. It was from the women's perspective and the feminist perspective. By the '80s, he began noticing that men were feeling misrepresented, and his award-winning national best-seller, Why Men Are The Way They Are, was written to answer women's questions about men in a way that rings true for men. The New York Post calls it "the most important book ever written about love, sex, and intimacy."

By the '90s, Dr. Farrell felt the misunderstandings about men had deepened and become dangerous to the survival of families and love. He confronted the misunderstandings head-on with the award-winning The Myth of Male Power, a book the The Library Journal ranked as "better than Robert Bly's Iron John or any of Betty Freidan's works." (His books are published in over 50 countries in 15 languages.)

By the turn of the century Dr. Farrell wanted to provide the sexes with the tools to communicate-- in particular to hear personal criticism from a loved one, especially when given badly. That was the take-off point for Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say, a selection of the Book-of-the-Month Club. By 2001 Dr. Farrell completed research he had been working on for 13 years on the conditions under which children of divorce are most likely to be raised successfully. That book, Father and Child Reunion, has renewed the commitment of many dads to be with their children, and its research has helped judges understand the importance of dads.

Dr. Farrell's most recent research is published as Why Men Earn More: The Startling Truth Behind the Pay Gap -- and What Women Can Do About It. It documents the 25 differences between men and women's work-life decisions. It was chosen by U.S. News and World Report as one of the top four "great career books to be read in 2006."

Warren has appeared on over 1000 TV and radio shows, and been interviewed frequently by Oprah and Barbara, and by Larry King and Peter Jennings. He has been featured repeatedly on 20/20 and in The New York Times, in People and on Real People, in men's journals and The Wall Street Journal, and on the Today Show, the Tomorrow Show, and even To Tell The Truth.

Warren Farrell's understanding of both sexes is symbolized by his being, on the one hand, on the boards of four national men's organizations, and on the other hand, being the only man in the US to be elected three times to the Board of Directors of the National Organization for Women in New York City. Similarly, he has started over 600 men's and women's groups, and over 200,000 women and men have attended his workshops worldwide. He is the only person chosen to speak at both of former California Governor Wilson's 1995 conferences - his Conference on Men and his Conference on Women.

President Johnson chose Dr. Farrell as one of the outstanding young educators in the United States. (The man's been around for awhile!) He has taught political science, psychology, women's studies and sociology, and most recently taught at the School of Medicine at the University of California at San Diego. Dr. Farrell has been chosen by the International Biographic Centre of London as one of the World's 2000 Outstanding Scholars of the 20th Century and, in quite a different take, chosen by the Financial Times as one of the worlds top 100 Thought Leaders. He has also been selected by the Center for World Spirituality as one of the world's spiritual leaders.

Dr. Farrell is in Who's Who in America and Who's Who in the World, but his best moments are at home. He has two daughters and lives with his wife in Mill Valley, California, and virtually at www.warrenfarrell.com.

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33 of 38 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Absolutely the Best October 20, 2007
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This is absolutely the best book I've read for helping men and women better understand each other. To even suggest that feminism discriminates against men is heresy in some circles. If you're willing to leave your prejudged ideas at the door and step into a room of enlightening new thinking, you will find the experience opens your perceptions beyond anything you may have imagined.

In a world where debate is often a nice word for one side trashing the oppposition, you'll find Warren Farrell and James P. Sterba engaging in an unusual dialogue. They offer opposing ideas and they offer them with a great deal of respect for each other as well as the men and women on whose behalf they speak.

Truly the world needs more people who can discuss male/female differences with passion, spirit, integrity, and respect. Farrell and Sterba do a magnificent job. Farrell, in particular offers his ideas in such a unique and persuasive manner that even die-hard femininists can't help but expand their understanding of why men are the way they are.

The title is somewhat misleading and book cover didn't draw me in. There's a lot more to this book than a simple debate about feminism and men. This book is fun to read and offers more surprises per page than most million-seller mysteries.

Jed Diamond, author, Male Menopause & The Irritable Male Syndrome.
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30 of 36 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Ground-breaking and timely. August 30, 2008
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As a university lecturer who has taught and written on Equal Opportunities issues, this book is a welcome and overdue addition to the literature on gender relations and sex discrimination.

In this book, one of the foremost liberal thinkers in the men's movement for equality - Warren Farrell - pits his arguments against staunch defenders of feminism. Counter arguments are presented by James Sterba, with input from over a dozen established feminist academics.

The organisation of the book is excellent: both Farrell and Sterba use the same chapter titles to construct their arguments on key topics. This is a useful approach that enables both lecturer and student to study arguments and counter-arguments on a series of contentious issues. The writing style is accessible, and also supported with appropriate academic references.

The value of this book is that for three decades, a men's movement for sexual equality has been gathering and organising arguments for progressive change. In many cases, their arguments are an evolution of, rather than a challenge to, feminist ideas on equality that developed in the 1960s. Despite this, a power shift in the late 1960s radicalised the women's movement and debate shifted (unconsciously?) away from advancing "equal rights" to advancing "women's rights". Those who radicalised the feminist movement have blocked the dissemination of Farrell's work in the mass media (although he has been able to publish six books and develop a strong following for his work).

When I started presenting academic papers using Farrell's perspectives at conferences, it quickly beecame apparent that antipathy to Farrell's work was mostly based on prejudice and not careful reading of his work. This book is, therefore, ground-breaking as it marks a point where the men's movement equality arguments are considered serious enough to warrant serious discussion amongst contemporary feminists.

For those with an interest in philosophy, this book represents a stage in a Kuhnian paradigm shift (a stage where new theoretical arguments are becoming so influential that they can no longer be ignored or disparaged). For this reason, I encourage all lecturers with an interest in gender relations / social science to examine this book and consider its value as a core text to reinvigorate the teaching of gender relations.

Dr Rory Ridley-Duff
Senior Lecturer
Sheffield Hallam University
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12 of 13 people found the following review helpful
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Farrell's The Myth of Male Power (1993) stands as the seminal Men's Rights text. However, the book's statistics are now outdated. An updated edition is overdue. Unfortunately, 'Does feminism discriminate against men?', written jointly by Warren Farrell and an opponent of his views, James Sterba, is probably the closest we will get. Although Farrell's section of the book is characteristically insightful, both Sterba's section and the book's overall format are flawed.

Although styled 'a debate' in the book's subtitle, the format this 'debate' takes is so imbalanced as scarcely to warrant the description. Each author is nominally allotted a roughly equal number of pages to make their case. However, whereas Sterba's portion was written after having had the opportunity to read Farrell's contribution in advance, Farrell is denied any opportunity to respond to Sterba and expose his misleading claims.

A rejoinder to Sterba's portion of the book is sorely required. I will attempt to provide this in what remains of this review.

Perceptions of Power

Sterba begins his critique of Farrell by pointing out, "exemplars of religious power, physical power, economic power and political power are all normally men" (p135) and both sexes view men as more powerful (ibid.).

However, Farrell never denied the existence of a perception that men are more powerful. What he questions is the accuracy of the perception.

Accordingly, he quotes the aphorism, "women's strength is their façade of weakness and men's weakness is their façade of strength" (p4) and even titled his most famous work 'The Myth of Male Power'. Sterba's misreading of his opponent's thesis thus begins with the title of the latter's best-known work.

Conscription

Sterba claims that male-only conscription (compulsory enlistment for military service) actually benefits men. He bases this on two arguments:
1) The prestige accruing to those who have completed military service outweighs the hardship endured and risk of being killed, injured or maimed;
2) It is primarily men who oppose the conscription of women and therefore it must be men who benefit from it.
I will consider each of these contentions in turn.

1) Sex-Specific Stigma and the Career Impact of Consciption

Sterba claims, in Israel, "men's willingness to sacrifice their lives for their country confirms their status as good citizens" and "having served in combat is an important part of one's resume when applying for almost any job" (p139).

It is true that men who evade military service are stigmatised, frequently denied employment and face penalties ranging from imprisonment and withdrawal of the franchise to summary execution. However, women face none of these penalties and can be regarded as 'good citizens' even without undertaking military service. The stigma attached to 'draft-dodgers', 'conchies' and 'shirkers' is therefore specific to men (in other words, a 'double-standard').

Far from enjoying improved employment opportunities, ex-servicemen frequently have difficulty adjusting to civilian life, may be permanently injured or affected by conditions such as PTSD and are over-represented among the homeless (USA Today 2007). They return to find jobs taken by women who, instead of fighting, spent their time gaining qualifications and job-experience.

Therefore, any prestige accruing to ex-serviceman is insufficient to offset the hardship endured and risk of being permanently maimed or killed. If it were, there would be no need to resort to conscription in the first place!

ii) Who opposes Drafting Women and What Does this Mean?

Sterba argues that, because the primary supporters of male-only conscription are men, this proves it is men who benefit. Citing the opposition of senior figures in the military to the integration of women, Sterba claims "it cannot be that the members of the military elite are engaging in discrimination against themselves by supporting the male-only draft" (p141).

But they are not discriminating against themselves - because they are already in the military and therefore could hardly be drafted! Rather they are discriminating against other men beside themselves.

The support of the military-elite for excluding women does not prove this policy benefits men. At most it suggests only that it benefits a tiny subset of men - namely the military-elite themselves.

Moreover, it is doubtful whether the primary opponents of drafting women are male. A survey conducted by Newsweek (cited by Farrell 1993: p143) found a majority of men (61%) but only a minority of women (39%) favoured the conscription of women.

Indeed, it was women's fear of being conscripted alongside men that led to the defeat of the Equal Rights Amendment (See Van Creveld Men, Women & War p210-1). In contrast, the influence of the military elite counts for little (e.g. they also unsuccessfully opposed the enlistment of homosexuals).

Therefore, for all the rhetoric about 'fighting for sexual equality', it appears women do not want REAL sexual equality if it means they REALLY have to fight.

Combat Exemption

Sterba also conflates the issue of conscription with that of the exclusion of women from combat-roles. On this point, Benatar (2003: p199) acknowledges, "excluding women from combat does indeed disadvantage some women", namely the "minority of women who seek combat opportunities". However, "to present the exclusion of exclusively in terms of the negative effects it has on women is to ignore the much greater disadvantage suffered by vast numbers of men who are forced into combat against their wills".

Whereas only a small minority of women who have chosen a military career report that they would volunteer for combat (Van Creveld: p212), huge numbers of men throughout history and across the world have been conscripted against their will. The former lose a career-choice - the latter often their lives!

Healthcare

Of Laboratory Mice and Men

Sterba devotes several pages documenting how drug trials typically use only men as test subjects in clinical trials (p144-146) - yet never addresses Farrell's argument that this is evidence, not of male privilege, but male disposability.

New drugs are first tested on the least valuable members of society given the risks. No one would suggest that inmates of concentration camps were privileged to be the subjects of Mengel's experiments!

According to Farrell, "we used men for experimental research for the same reason we used rats" (p28).

Prostrate Cancer vs. Breast Cancer

Sterba claims that that the reason more money is spent on breast cancer research than on prostrate cancer research is that, although similar numbers of people die from the two conditions, women who die from breast cancer die at an earlier average age (p146).

However, if one acknowledges that the younger age at which women die from breast cancer is a legitimate reason to spend more on this condition, it follows that the fact that men in general die on average at a younger age than women is a legitimate reason to spend more money on men's health overall. In employing this argument, Sterba therefore inadvertently undercuts the entire basis for sex equality in healthcare provision.

Violence

Domestic Violence

Sterba reiterates the familiar feminist 'her-story' of how wife-beating was until recently widely approved (p148-9). Actually, "in America there have been laws against wife beating since before the revolution" (Who Stole Feminism? by Hoff-Sommers: p204) and "vigilante parties sometimes abducted wife-beaters and whipped them" (Ibid: p205).

Wife-beating has been punished in Britain since the Anglo-Saxon age (George 2007) and the issue rediscovered in various moral panics resulting in the Prevention and Punishment of Aggravated Assaults on Women Act of 1853 and the Wife Beaters Act of 1882 - contradicting Sterba's absurd claim (p149) that Scotland only "made wife-beating illegal" in the "early 1970s"!

Only where men were victims of spousal assault did it go unpunished - or rather the victims themselves were punished! (George 2007).

As for violence today, Fiebert (2011) records 282 studies finding that women are at least as likely to perpetrate violence against male partners as the converse. Against this body of data, Sterba protests (p151), "how jarring is the idea that women batter... as much and... as severely as men is". This is a version of the 'argument from common sense' or 'argumentum ad populum' fallacy.

He also reports higher rates of female victimization found by a crime survey (p152). However, given that twenty-three percent of women do not regard slapping men as wrong (When She Was Bad by Patricia Pearson: p130), let alone criminal, it is doubtful that they would report it in a 'crime' survey.

Crime surveys find lower levels of reported abuse for both sexes. Yet, "battered women's advocacy groups nimbly switch back and forth between different sets of data: one to show that abuse is epidemic, another to show that nearly all the victims are women" (Young: p93). Thus, "the same study that is cited by women's advocates... for the statistic 'a woman is battered every 15 seconds', also shows that a man is battered every 14 seconds"! Read more ›
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1.0 out of 5 stars This "debate" book is crap...
If you're totally unfamiliar with men's and boy's issues Farrell, unsurprisingly, does a great job of summarizing them in the first part of the book, but you are much better served... Read more
Published 1 month ago by Mad Rapper
4.0 out of 5 stars They debate, you decide
If you like debates on serious social issues between intelligent people, this is the book for you. Farrell and Sterba both make strong cases for their positions, although if I have... Read more
Published 14 months ago by J. Davis
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As intended this book helps further the debate regarding discrimination against men. Sterba's writing is weak and without feeling. Dr. Read more
Published on October 3, 2010 by Fred L. Stephens
5.0 out of 5 stars Questions raised.
As another reviewer pointed out, Farrell makes his case, and then Sterba replies - and pretty much demolishes Farrell's case, IMHO. Read more
Published on December 17, 2009 by Michael J. Gauthier
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The text is a balanced and evidenced based argument on gender issues which is vitally important in this day and age. Read more
Published on February 16, 2008 by L. A. Bain
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Wow. I am sort of kicking myself for not having gotten into this book sooner. I have so much gratitude to Dr. Read more
Published on December 17, 2007 by Scofield
2.0 out of 5 stars does feminism discriminate against men a debate
The book is described as a debate. This is not a debate. James Sterba has an overwhelming advantage because he scrutinizes Warren Farrell's claims without allowing Farrell a... Read more
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