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Interesting / Worth Reading, November 9, 2004
This review is from: The Emerging Church: Vintage Christianity for New Generations (Paperback)
I went back on forth about what to say after I read this book. I read it for a graduate school class in small groups & community and have some good thoughts after reading the book. The good things:
1) Dan is honest and not full of himself. He recounts what he has done in ministry and how it has morphed over the past few years.
2) He lets the reader know what is working where he is, without setting it up as a model for the rest of us in the world who might start up a ministry.
3) The emphasis on ancient / vintage worship and community is essential. As we invite people into a community and let them 'ask in' to a faith committment it is a powerful witness for the kingdom.
The 'interesting' things:
1) Why is Rick Warren featured so prominently in a book that is looking towards the future? Rick Warren's extended defense of the seeker sensitive movement seems like a monument to the past when Dan's book is squarely looking towards the future. This is not to disrespect Rick, but he was out of place in this book. It is almost like the publisher pushed Dan to have Rick in the book so he would have more 'credibility' with the modern audience - who knows, but Rick seemed really out of place.
2) I do agree with some of the other reviewers who note that while Dan is not wanting to give a model for everyone to use, the second half of his book surely could be interpreted just that way.
Overall - worth reading - Joseph Dworak
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You Can Have It Your Way: The Burger King Gospel, March 5, 2005
This review is from: The Emerging Church: Vintage Christianity for New Generations (Paperback)
Tackling ecclesiology head on, Dan Kimball exhorts the reader to practice some important paradigms of the quintessential church found throughout the ages. Among these are: Bringing the Bible back into the Church; cultivating a church culture that encourages dialogue; ensuring that the gospel is allowed to do its work instead of the charismatic eloquence of the preacher; and emphasizing that Jesus is the only way to God.
These are all stressed in the Holy Scriptures in one way or another. He also notes the exhortation of 1Corinthians 2:1-5 that the Cross of Jesus Christ - alone - should be preached instead of the world's wisdom.
Most of the book, however, is filled with desultory observations of our fickle culture and how Christians should respond to it. Reviewing Kimball and others of his bent in Christianity Today, Andy Crouch stated, "They have confused style and substance."
The Emerging Church is not about repentance, the Cross, and its offense (and hope) to a fallen, sinful world but about buzzwords such as "postmodern" "seeker" "emerging" "missional" "vintage" "deconstruction" etc. It's also about cheerleaders in the church growth movement who clutter nearly every page with vapid balloon remarks that do little to improve the book's quality. Rick Warren (the new Protestant pope) writes the forward. Sadly, I'm still trying to figure out what he is really saying after repeated re-readings. Both Warren and Kimball are masters of word "switcheroo" - using words in the postmodern way. This is where words are chosen for how they sound rather than for what they may mean.
For example, Warren writes on page 7 that it's OK to do anything in church worship "...as long as the biblical message is unchanged." This sounds good until you try to pin down what Warren's "biblical message" really is. Like Warren, Kimball shops around for Bible paraphrases which suit his purposes. As a result, we are subjected to isogesis: Where interpretation is read into the Bible instead of out of it. Jesus said the way is narrow. For Warren et al., it is broad and getting broader, especially as his book sales continue to skyrocket. It's all a testimony to the sad state of the Church in our land that so many reject the simple teachings of the Bible for mere popular eloquence.
Kimball, in a switcheroo, exhorts us to carefully preach from the Bible (good) and then, elsewhere, he will prattle on and on about "seeker-sensitive" this or that (not-so-good). For example, on page 25 he says "Being seeker-sensitive as a lifestyle means that we are sensitive to spiritual seekers in all that we do. ...it is a lifestyle approach to how we live as Christians in relation to being sensitive to seekers of faith." Instead of living to impress others, Scripture commands us to loves others and live a holy life, regardless of whether anyone wants to follow us or not. If anyone is impressed by what we do, it should be for these attributes (1 Pet 2:12). Anything else is an appeal to narcissism.
It gets worse. On page 88, Kimball writes, "We probably wouldn't be attracted to Christianity if we weren't Christians." Or, on page 210 he writes, "...the tide will turn and non-Christians will be drawn to us instead of being turned off by us." This is mostly Pelagiansim. Contrary to the gospel-lite promoted by Kimball, Warren, and others, God's word tells us why people do not come to Christ: No one seeks after God (Ro 3:10). Men, by nature, are God's enemies. It's just that simple. We do not need hundreds of pages telling us how awful/insensitive/backward we Christians are and how we must atone for our sin of being unpopular with the pagan and immoral culture. Yet Kimball does note some of the greater errors of church bureaucracies in the past that made the gospel look bad. He is to be commended for that.
What is surprising is that those in the church growth movement don't seem to pay any attention to the explosive growth of the gospel in places like Communist China: Where Christians meet, love one another, hear the Word, and pray - as Christians have for thousands of years - largely without the videos, books, conferences, and mass marketing techniques employed by Kimball and others.
Jesus said, repent and believe in Me. For that, they killed Him. It was not then - nor now - a popular message to sinful fallen mankind. Suffice it to say, no one comes to Christ for any reason other than the Father draws him (John 6:35ff.) Jesus was not "seeker-sensitive" contrary to Kimball's assertions but quite the opposite as the end of John 6 illustrates.
Why all these pages which promote a candy-coated gospel? Please see 2Ti 4:3. Kimball needs to look again at his Bible, especially the parable of the sower and what happens to the seed that falls on the rocky ground: Shallow roots - shallow faith - falling away. The feeding of the five thousand in John 6 would be another lesson for him to consider: The crowds wanted to fill their stomachs with food instead of with the spiritual food and drink that gives eternal life, i.e., the body and blood of Jesus Christ. The sacred text offers here one of the greatest un-revivals in history: Five thousand came and all but a few handfuls left.
Practically speaking, Kimball is not progressive he is regressive. Rather than leaning on just another splintered reed, Christians should build their lives on the pure milk of the Word.
He has it backward. Meetings of the Church are not just about art, music, incense, candles, mood and experience. They should primarily be about thanksgiving, worship of Christ, love for one another, holiness, and pure doctrine undefiled by the wisdom of this world. "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen ... for the customs of the people are vain." Jer 10:2,3 (1 Cor. 1-2). One of the ways of the heathen is to promote the self and worship it but not so for the Christian.
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