Faithful Conversation [Paperback]

James M. Childs (Author)

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Publication Date: May 1, 2003

Bitter battles over the churches' stance toward its gay and lesbian members have tested the churches' fundamental orientation and even threatened to split whole denominations apart. The blessing of homosexual unions and ordination of gays and lesbians have proven to be special flashpoints at both local and national levels. Part of the widespread perplexity over the issues stems from their complexity. They involve questions not only of personal ethics and church polity but also of Christian history, conflicting readings of the biblical data, and uncertainty over basic anthropological frameworks, especially as driven by findings of the social sciences. This volume, initiated by the ELCA seminary presidents in response to a churchwide mandate for study of the issues, is aimed at engendering real reflection and conversation by providing Christians with the basic tools to engage the many dimensions of this question for themselves and with each other. Based on sound scholarship but written in a readable fashion for a broad audience of laypeople and pastors, the volume includes five essays, an authors' forum about how specific issues in the church are affected by these perspectives, a select bibliography of further readings, and directions on how this resource might be used. Contributors: James M. Childs Jr., Mark Allan Powell, James Arne Nestingen, Martha Ellen Stortz, Richard J. Perry Jr., José David Rodríguez, Daniel L. Olson

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About the Author

James M. Childs Jr. is the Sittler Professor of Christian Ethics at Trinity Lutheran Seminary, Columbus, Ohio. Among his many works are Faith, Formation, and Decision; Ethics in Business: Faith at Work; and Greed.

Product Details

• Paperback: 144 pages
• Publisher: FORTRESS PRESS (May 1, 2003)
• Language: English
• ISBN-10: 0800635809
• ISBN-13: 978-0800635800
• Product Dimensions: 9 x 6 x 0.4 inches
• Shipping Weight: 6.4 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
• Average Customer Review: 4.7 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (3 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #580,304 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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5.0 out of 5 stars Faithful Conversation is Faithful Dialogue, June 9, 2003

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Bryan Jaster (Columbus, OH) - See all my reviews

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This book is an excellent beginning for present and future conversations about how we as human beings might understand and love people of different sexualities in response to the love of God found in Jesus. Written by serious bible scholars, each chapter presents and evaluates different perspectives found within the Christian tradition with a Lutheran flavoring.

I highly recommend reading this if you are thoroughly convinced that the Bible is absolutely clear about this issue because this will probably encourage you to reread texts and explore how we read, interpret and make theological decisions. I dare say that Mark Powells chapter on reading the Bible is probably the best and most authoritative out there. He confronts many angles and analyzes this discussion thoroughly, with academic rigor and a delightful tone.

However, this book will best be put to use not in private reading sessions, but public dialogue and thoughtful listening. Through reading, discussing and rethinking I believe the Spirit will create anew in us and bring humanity to a place where faith, hope and love are found and not the present, uneasy brokenness that we seem to be stuck in. May you join in this time of faithful conversation.

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4.0 out of 5 stars lutheran discussions of homosexuality, January 17, 2007

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Daniel B. Clendenin (www.journeywithjesus.net) - See all my reviews
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Like almost every major denomination, the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America has struggled over the last years with forming a theology and eventually a policy over homosexuality and attendant issues like ordination and gay marriages. Currently the denomination welcomes gays as full church members, but does not admit practicing homosexuals to ordained ministry, nor is there any provision to bless same-sex "marriages." To help the denomination, presidents at eight of the ELCA seminaries commissioned this volume. The five chapters are written by five different Lutheran seminary professors and treat, in turn, Scripture, the Lutheran tradition, culture, science, and human experience.

One of the vexing aspects of this issue is that for most people it is a matter of conscience, and as Childs points out in his introduction, it was Luther's genius to encourage believers to obey their consciences, even though we readily admit that conscience can err, as long as we do our best to let Scripture form and bind our conscience. Another key distinction is whether the issue of homosexuality and the church is an essential article of faith, or "merely" a moral judgment about something that, however important, is not an essential of faith and about which we should agree to disagree (much like, for example, other hotly contested matters like divorce, abortion, war or the death penalty). Although all seven texts of Scripture are unambiguously negative about homosexuality, the question arises whether some circumstances would permit exceptions, perhaps unavoidable, or the lesser evil of several less than ideal choices. For example, we rightly think of murder, theft or divorce as always wrong, but sometimes extenuating circumstances qualify our judgment. I especially enjoyed the discussions in this book about celibacy. There are big differences between voluntarily choosing celibacy, trying to get married but being unsuccessful, and being required by others to repress your sexuality and remain celibate. Most of the authors draw attention to our over sexualized culture which, sadly, makes sex a commodity to which people feel entitled, a thought any sensitive Christian should reject. Finally, I had never thought about legal ramifications for denominations, and here there is a bitter irony. The last decades have witnessed far greater leniency in our culture at large regarding sex, but for religious denominations legal oversight has grown far stricter due to clergy abuse. Background checks of prospective clergy are now routine. So, writes Nestingen, "gays and lesbians seeking to practice their homosexuality while serving as clergy must be willing to provide a public accounting of their sexual relationships," just as heterosexual couples must. For their part, a denomination must "decide whether it is willing to assume with homosexuals the legal and financial responsibility that the law has already imposed [emphasis mine] on it for monitoring the sexual practices of heterosexual clergy" (p. 56).

5.0 out of 5 stars Great Commissioned Work for 2009 Assembly, March 20, 2010

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It is a shame less ELCA members and congregations have read this book. I believe that individual reading and group study sessions based on this book could have prevented the schism caused by the Aug 2009 assembly. Childs does an excellent job in his introduction at establishing the difference between decision and division. The majority of the accompanying essays are equally excellent. The sole contribution from a minority (Perry Jr and Rodriguez) falls a bit flat, but 2-3 of the six could easily be the basis for a season long church study.

While many are angry at the ELCA over the 2009 assembly, it is difficult to be angry at them for a lack of quality commissioned sources. Both this and the Journey Together Faithfully series are excellent.