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8 of 8 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Excellent and Challenging whatever your position.,
By jarrodj@pacbell.net (Dept. Chemical Engineering, UCLA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
This book is an excellent work that anyone will find challenging whatever their position. If you agree with Fudge's view, you will find this particularly enlightening. If you disagree with Fudge, you will find this book well thought out, provocative, and educative.Fudge's respect for the authority of Scritpure as the Word of God is in the finest tradition of Evangelicalism. I also highly recommend Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi's recent book "Immortality or Resurrection?" -- Jarrod
5 of 5 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
A standard-bearer for the conditionalist positioin,
By rob pinion "Rob Pinion" (Raleigh, NC USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
In his forward to The Fire That Consumes, noted scholar FF Bruce writes, "It gives me pleasure to commend Mr. Fudge's exposition of this subject. All that he has to say is worthy of careful consideration, but there is special value in those chapters where he examines the testimony of successive sections of the Holy Scriptures." If you're looking for a treatment of every Biblical passage relating to the destination of the unsaved, this is the volume for you. To my knowledge, no one has successfully refuted Fudge since TFTC's first publication in 1982. This is a "must-have" study.
8 of 10 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Thorough Biblical Exposition On Hell,
By A Customer
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
What does the Bible really teach about God's righteous wrath. Is God's wrath a means to an end, or is God's wrath an end in itself?What does the Bible mean by such words and phrases as "forever," "unquenchable fire," "eternal punishment," "eternal destruction," "death," etc. Do you really wish to submit to the authority of God's infallible Word on the subject of hell. Then, dear reader, read this book!
5 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
A necessary volume on the topic of hell whatever one's view.,
By Curtis Evans (cje8@hotmail.com) (South Hamilton, MA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
I have not studied Fudge in depth, but I used his work in a paper I wrote on hell. This book is one of the best refutations of the traditional doctrine of hell as eternal torment. It is a positive presentation of the biblical teaching that eternal life comes only through Christ and that the unrepentant shall be eternally deprived of life by God. We can thank Fudge for all the hard work he put into this volume and it is surely a joy to see an Evangelical who takes the Bible seriously to come to such a conclusion. May God use this detailed exposition of such a difficult subject to help more people see the beauty of Christianity even when it speaks of God's judgment.
5 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
very solid, controversial, persuasive,
By "othertime" (USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
After several years this is still the best defence of the conditional position. Any one who holds to a high view of scripture and is curious about hell must interact with this text. This view is, of course, a held by a minority whithin the evengelical spectum and as such should be held to the hightest level of critical examination. Fudge's integrity thoughout renders this possible. Also helpfull is "Four Views on Hell" in the counterpoints seires where the conditional view is contrasted with the two versions of the traditonal view.
2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
A Biblical Examination of the Doctrine of Eternal Punishment,
By A Customer
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
In this book, Edward W. Fudge challenges the traditional concept of the doctine of eternal punishment. Examining the Biblical teachings of the Old and New Testaments, the influence of Greek thought, and through the use of word studies, Fudge concludes the while the punishment is forever, the punishing itself is not. This book will challenge anyone's view of hell. Highly recommended
1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Great book, Scripturally sound. Recommended.,
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
Mr. Fudge's book is eye opening. I had believed the traditional view of hell for over 20 years. Now I can't believe how unscriptural it is. The conditionalist view fits perfectly. The technical name is called "Conditional Immortality" and Mr. Fudge does an excellent job stating the case. The forward is by the great evangelical scholar F.F. Bruce.
The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23) (not eternal torment.) The eternal fire was made for the devil (Matt 25:41) so unbelievers die there, not live forever. The fire is eternal, not what is thrown into it. The punishment is death. Capital Punishment. Don't think death is a punishment, try telling that to someone on death row. Fudge does an excellent job showing how this is the case. Eternal punishment is death forever. The loss of their life. Don't we view the death penalty as the greatest of all societies punishments? Why, because it removes the possibility of life anymore. The same is true of the lost on judgment day. This is when the death will occur, argues Fudge. You see, only believers live forever (John 6:51, 8:51). Only believers get immortality (Romans 2:7). Immortality is part and parcel with the gospel (2 Tim 1:10). Unbelievers die the second death (Rev. 20:15). Jesus said they are "destroyed" (His words) in hell, not live forever (Matthew 10:28). Even if Matthew 10:28 were the only verse that proves the soul of the unsaved will be destroyed (and there are more), we would have to accept it based upon the authority of the Son of God. Thankfully, Fudge shows many more. Another excellent point he makes, `Gnashing of teeth' in scripture is always an idiom for anger! (Psalm 37:12, Acts 7:54). The list goes on and on. Fudge does a much better job than I have here. He is also an attorney. At the root of this all is the churches acceptance of the greek teaching of the immortality of all souls. This is completely unbiblical. If all are born with immortality, then why do people have to seek it (Romans 2:7 says clearly we are to "seek" it.) Only believers put on immortality at the resurrection (1 Cor 15:53-54). Immortality is only gotten through the gospel (2 Tim 1:10 clearly states this.) Jesus offer to live forever (John 6:51) would be meaningless if innate immortality were true. Only God is immortal (1 Tim 6:16) and immortality is his gift to those seek it, who seek His Son. (Rom 2:7) Mr. Fudge also covers all the "what about these...." Scriptures. Too much for this space. Get this book for your pastor too! Or for a similar powerful book on Amazon, purchase The Resurrection and Immortality by William West and look at the later chapters. Also, do a search for Samuele Bacchiocchi, (yes it is spelled correctly here) and get his book on the resurrection. The traditional doctrine of hell besmirches the character of God. Jesus said the wicked will be destroyed (Matt 10:28) , so did Paul (Philippians 3:19) and James (James 4:12). As an evangelical, I am glad to now know the correct scriptural teaching on this. And while neither I nor Fudge is a Seventh Day Adventist, they also correctly hold to this. So do many other evangelicals who are adhering to the plain meaning of scripture.
4.0 out of 5 stars
Almost perfection but . . .,
By Micah Thom "GenericChristianMystic" (NoneOfYourBeesWax) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
I bought this book after seeing it quoted & recommended in three fascinatingly solid books I have finished in my latest biblical studies. It's odd how when the Lord guides your reading, some concepts keep coming up, that one never considered seriously beforehand. After this alternate view of the end of the unredeemed kept surfacing I decided to revisit this teaching.
I have only a few comments to make. As Gregory A. Boyd mentions in his AMAZING work;Satan & the Problem of Evil: Constructing a Trinitarian Warfare Theodicy, Fudge nearly convinces Boyd but some nagging scriptures remain that indicate some continuing level of consciousness in both condemned angels and humans. Yes, per Boyd's idea, (and after Barth's "das Nichtige"), these poor damned ones are "annihilated" (per Fudge's definition) but by being essentially put into an anti-reality, another vast, nothingness of utter and infinite isolation, being trapped in a suffering non-existence of their own choosing, their life-long rebellion housing them in an endless self-made, collapsing cell of loneliness, becoming moreso what they were upon meeting their Creator as Judge, and then to finally become completely NO part of God's utter true reality of "all things new". His reign does not even acknowledge these non-worlds, (das Nichtige), full of the same great Lie that Satan birthed. Read Boyd's tome to get more of this theme and C.S. Lewis speaks similarly of these things. One last thing, so far, very few tomes address the disturbing truth about Matthew's writing about "outer darkness", "weeping and gnashing of teeth", unfaithful stewards and unwise virgins. It is a very common error to see these familiar passages being assumed to be hell or the lake of fire. But when carefully studied, Fudge needs not even bother explain these sections. Why? It is because "outer darkness" is related NOT to the damned but to the unwise and unfaithful redeemed. See works by Watchman Nee, Stephen Kaung, Lance Lambert and most recently Missler's Kingdom, Power & Glory: The Overcomer's Handbook (Kingdom, Power and Glory) for more on this. When one discovers the reality of what "outer darkness" means and what being an overcomer entails, many weird passages that seem to teach losing one's salvation fall away as rubbish. What one may lose is something else . . . the Kingdom. w w w . genericchristianmystic . c o m
5 of 29 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
Nothing Revolutionary,
By Octavian (MN) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fire That Consumes: Biblical Case for Conditional Immortality (Paperback)
The meretricious devotion this author holds toward canonized scripture humors me, as does that of his far greater predecessors in the conditional immortality debate. His work is by no means revolutionary, and without having read it, I can already recommend better authors in his field. (Dr. Leroy Froom, for example, whose works are put at the forefront.) Invariably, the usual arguments catch the laity off guard, but genuine biblical scholars of orthodox theology are not led astray by the heresy of ultimate annihilation, anthropological monism, or conditionalism. Is conditionalism an ancient doctrine? Yes, and the origins are readily available. To briefly summarize what would otherwise be several volumes of refutation, conditional immortality was originally advocated by Arnobious of Sicca- c. 327 C.E., whose personal record as a Christian apologist is amongst the most pitiful, albeit entertaining, in clerical history. Also hailed as Arnobious the Elder, he was an enemy of both Judaism (Unlike Paul) and Christianity and a proponent of Asiatic mysticysm. According to the tale told by his subsequent disciples, Arnobious met a spiritual Jesus after awakening from a bad dream, who transformed the mystic into a self proclaimed sage, endowing him with the knowledge of God apart from scriptural reading. Rather than acknowledging mainstream Christianity, Arnobious opened his own school and taught his remarkable "dream" philosophies in Sicca, Africa, where he wrote a flawed, though sincere, theological treatise titled "Against the Pagans" c. 305 C.E. In this work, conditionalism, annihilation, and anthropological-monism appear for the first time in Christian history. Amazingly, Arnobious confounded the Pharisees with the Sadducees in several references to Jewish sects, and quoted the New Testament only ONCE in the treatise. As Catholic Friar Jurgen comments, the treatise does hold water- not in the realm of theological truth, but certainly in its revealed information about the cults of the time. This is the historical basis for conditionalism. On the purported claim that immortal soulism was derived from Greco mythology and Platonism, such an idea is true only for those without knowledge of Judaic sects of Essene or Kabbalist, both of which held to the doctrine of an immaterial, immortal spirit. Contrary to what conditionalist scholars would have you believe, Orthodox Judaism itself has always taught immortal soulism, and rabbinical interpretation of the Old Testament does not find man and beast to be equal. Let it never be said, therefore, that the Hebrew Bible does not teach immortal soulism, on the contrary, those to whom it belongs find it amusing that conditionalists unable to speak Hebrew consider themselves expert on a Hebraic eschatology. (It should come as no surprise, since conditionalists also rate themselves as the sole beneficiaries of Y-w-h's irrevocable blessings to the Jews. How strange they cannot grasp the Old Testament's clearly defined salvation of Israel, while nonetheless being able to comprehend nebulous doctrines inferred by "divine inference".) As for the human soul in Hebrew, the solitary "nephesh" is contextualized, but with blatant arrogance, conditionalists assume their fragmented knowledge is somehow supplemented by divine illumination- in combination, of course, with the authority of Arnobious the Dreamer. On this threefold foundation rests every claim of conditionalism; the dogma gains momentum by its humane appeal to modern society. Yet as a fly in the face of both mainstream Christianity AND Judaism, conditionalists maintain a long tradition of denying reality, whilst usurping the texts of two major religions. (I suppose at least it speaks for the short lived worth of Arnobious's own text.) (...) There's little doubt I know more about his own theories than the author of the book. |
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