Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr. "The Fight Over Catholic Orthodoxy" NR CC

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Taped on 04/22/1980. Although Buckley's introduction focuses on Pope John Paul's repudiation of the teachings of Kng and Schillebeeckx, the Partussion that follows centers not on doctrinal theology but what the worshipper encounters at every Mass: the liturgy. Specifically, on the conflict between traditionalists who loved the Tridentine Mass, and reformers who support the Vatican II mandate.

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Michael Davies,Joseph Champlin
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Starring Michael Davies, Joseph Champlin
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14 of 14 people found the following review helpful By Beatriz Jaramillo on January 22, 2012
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Four heavyweights in Catholic current events discuss the consequences of John Paul II's suspension of Hans Kung's canonical license to teach Catholic theology and the merits of Paul VI's "New Mass" which, by this time, has been in use in the USA for approximately ten years. Malachi Martin and Michael Davies demonstrate complete understanding of the crisis facing the Catholic world in 1980, something that very few of their contemporaries did.
A convert to Catholicism at 21, Davies is 44 and is delightfully young in this interview. He's at the pinnacle of his intellectual life, having already written groundbreaking books. He's dripping in hard facts. He offers the most cogent defense of Marcel Lefebvre and the Tridentine Rite that anyone had heard at the time becase these were years of great confusion. Long before the rest of us had any idea of what we would confront by 2000, he offers listeners a precise analysis of the dangerous Liturgical Revolution unleashed by Pope John XXII's Council and Pope Paul VI's New Mass. Likewise, he offers a clear cut understanding of the true nature of the Catholic priesthood.
Malachi Martin with two incisive questions makes his point. He's scholarly, eminent and entirely above the fray. Bill Buckley, always the intellectual, is the inquiring Catholic layman and journalist.
By contrast, in his Roman collar at a time when the Catholic hierarchy still enjoyed the tremendous respect and esteem of the laity, Msgr. Joseph Champlin is a "liturgist" and priest of the diocese of Syracuse. He is a loyal son of the Council and represents all of the positions the other three participants find so questionable. His defense of his position, always charitable, deferential, and gentle.... is never very convincing.
All four gentlemen are deceased. Except for Msgr. Champlin, I followed them closely over the years and miss their brilliant insights very much.
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8 of 9 people found the following review helpful By James924 on January 23, 2012
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I have been amazed with Davies for years now and I only wish I had been a traditionalist earlier in life so that I could have met the man. Fr. Champlin, a supporter and facilitator of liturgical dance and a deliberately misleading proponent of the (at the time) illicit practice of communion in the hand is swiftly defeated and put to shame by Michael Davies. Davies also takes Fr. Champlin to task in Chapter 11 of his book Pope Paul's New Mass for those interested.

This is a must view for every catholic and an absolute blessing to have on video seeing as not much Davies stuff is available on video these days (if anyone knows of more please leave a comment and tell me where to go). Big thanks to the folks at the Hoover archives involved in getting this digitized and put online.

Pope Benedict XVI on Davies:

"I have been profoundly touched by the news of the death of Michael Davies. I had the good fortune to meet him several times and I found him as a man of deep faith and ready to embrace suffering. Ever since the Council he put all his energy into the service of the Faith and left us important publications especially about the Sacred Liturgy. Even though he suffered from the Church in many ways in his time, he always truly remained a man of the Church. He knew that the Lord founded His Church on the rock of St Peter and that the Faith can find its fullness and maturity only in union with the successor of St Peter. Therefore we can be confident that the Lord opened wide for him the gates of heaven. We commend his soul to the Lord's mercy."
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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful By dymphna on September 29, 2013
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Talk about an eye opener! Michael Davies is my new hero. He is a hero of our times. This is what Pope Benedict the XVI said about him on Davies passing.

I have been profoundly touched by the news of the death of Michael Davies. I had the good fortune to meet him several times and I found him as a man of deep faith and ready to embrace suffering. Ever since the Council he put all his energy into the service of the Faith and left us important publications especially about the Sacred Liturgy. Even though he suffered from the Church in many ways in his time, he always truly remained a man of the Church. He knew that the Lord founded His Church on the rock of St Peter and that the Faith can find its fullness and maturity only in union with the successor of St Peter. Therefore we can be confident that the Lord opened wide for him the gates of heaven. We commend his soul to the Lord’s mercy.

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

I highly recommend watching. Great stuff!
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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful By Thomas J. Conway on May 10, 2014
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When Buckley tells the Monsignor in all seriousness, that as a practicing Catholic he finds Mass on Sunday to be an aesthetic ordeal, he's speaking for millions of us who wonder where their Church went. A serious and well argued discussion from all sides, and considering this episode aired some 34 years ago, amazingly current. I highly recommend it.
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This was the most historically insightful discussion I have ever encountered between the "traditionalists" and the "reformers". Having encountered this struggle within the Church throughout my life, I can see the real confusion in hindsight. Mr. Buckley talks about the privacy of the latin mass and his experience between God and himself. He says that you can have a mass by yourself and that a congregation is not required. At that point the Monsignor chimed in to the crux of the matter, but left me more than wanting in theological terms. You are NEVER alone in a mass, even if the priest says Mass seemingly alone; The mass is the meeting of heaven and Earth- Christ is actually there present in body soul and divinity, and guess what HE brings along with him -all of heaven, ie all the Saints. "We wish to see Jesus" and we do, and the mass is always a communal event. Yes, the Father so loved the world that he sent down his Son as a sacrifice for our sins, but he did so that He may bring all together in his life. The Father the Son AND the Holy Spirit. It is so interesting to see how right a group of men can be without being righteous. "The Eucharistic Sacrifice is the font and the apex of the whole Christian Life" -Vatican II
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