Thanks for the link, though it doesn't really tell a lot. Loking at the freeze frame picture on the flat screen and reading the text it seems they showed the opening sequence of STAR WARS (aka NEW HOPE). Would have been nice to learn if the background star field was visible or invisible (again) due to an artificially darkened picture ("crushed black levels"). And the remark that Threepio's golden body shines greater than ever remains ambiguous (exaggerated color saturation or not?).
What folks in UK? The release date for everyone but the U.S. is September 12th. So is the person who is posting a reviewer? Or is it someone trying to gain his 15 minutes of fame by posting bogus material?
Bradley A. Beaupain says: "What folks in UK? The release date for everyone but the U.S. is September 12th. So is the person who is posting a reviewer? Or is it someone trying to gain his 15 minutes of fame by posting bogus material? "
Rik Henderson, from the link posted above. The pictures of the brief preview he apparently attended can be seen in the link I provided above. Unless Rik is full of it and totally faked this article...
"Rarely have we been so excited about three 30-second video clips as we were at the Digital Entertainment Group Europe event held in Disney's offices last night. For the first time on UK soil, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment played actual footage of the forthcoming Blu-ray editions of the Star Wars movies.
Admittedly, we didn't see much. And because of its exclusivity and sensitivity, we weren't allowed to take photographs or video footage of the screen itself (just wide shots). But what we did see was enough to get us as excited as a 7-year-old given his first Darth Vader costume on Christmas morning.
The first two clips we saw were from Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones (featuring Yoda and some clone troopers flying over the battlefield during the Battle of Geonosis), and the Obi-Wan Kenobi / Anakin Skywalker final fight in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith.
Obviously, as both movies were filmed and stored digitally, they look absolutely perfect - taking full advantage of the crispness afforded by the 1080p resolution of Blu-ray. It depends on the TV's calibration, but on the new Panasonic plasma at the DEGE event the colourfields of both scenes offered, perhaps, the greatest initial impact.
Whatever your thoughts on the content of the prequel trilogy, it is unlikely that you will ever have seen them look more vibrant (and we include HD runs on TV and, even, a majority of cinema presentations).
The pièce de résistance, however, came with the clip from Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope. Taken from the opening sequence of the Special Edition version of the movie (where the Star Destroyer engulfs Princess Leia's starship), the moment when you first see C3PO in full 1080p is stunning. His golden shell gleams with such fine detail and shine that you'd swear the movie was made this year rather than 1977.
In short, from our fleeting but much welcomed previews, Lucasfilm has done an awesome job with the Blu-ray transfer. 12 September is rapidly becoming a landmark date.
We'll bring you more on the Star Wars: The Complete Saga Blu-ray as its release day approaches."
Having recently had my new TV calibrated. I must say that even the 2004 DVDs look great. The blacks are black and they appear as they did in the theater. I often wonder now if people who complain about the saturation of color, or in some case the oversaturation, is it because they are watching the movies (any movie) on a TV or monitor that is not properly calibrated. Most people, and I imagine this may include some of the people posting on some of these boards, do not know that the TV they bought from the showroom store (BestBuy, Magnolia,Frys, Sears, etc) are not calibrated at all. And when people pay for those cheap services for calibration by the mom and pop TV store, they are calibrating the TV so that the Images match (closely) those of when your watching TV shows. True ISF calibration calibrates for movie watching as the lighting for TV shows is much different than for movies. For example, I always use the DVD for Battlestar Galactica, the pilot episode. Since it was filmed as a movie, I watch it as a movie. When I watch it using standard TV settings, I can see the different film elements when the spaceships fly in, its really distracting. I watch it in the movie mode and the elements are barely noticeable, if at all. The newer TV monitors have several settings on them (Movie, sports, custom, etc.) When the calibration team comes in. They will usually calibrate the settings in the movie mode. On some TVs it will actually affect some of the settings for the other modes but for the better.
So why did I mention all of this....I think its fair to say that those complaining about the color and blackness need to realize that their TV monitors or projectors are probably not calibrated correctly. Having watched the LOTR trilogy (Extended editions) on a projector that was calibrated the Blu Ray version was more appealing than the standard DVD edition.
You raise a good point. I'll check my ANH DVD at some point, but at last glance, the star fields were all plainly visible, contrary to what Mr. Bitterhof suggested above. Then again, I don't believe I've ever had a TV that was on display at the store; I've gotten the same model as on display, but always one that was shelved and in a box--sometimes even in the back room. Do you reckon that would make a difference? Meaning, does the manufacturer designate certain units to be set for store display, or are they all set the same way and the manufacturer has no control over which ones are displayed? In any case, I remember the colors being very rich and well-defined, not to say bright (well, not where they shouldn't have been) on the '04 DVDs, but then, I'm sure some people are pickier than I am. And it's not just equipment and settings that makes everyone see things a little differently, is it?
You'll notice, by the way, that I'm describing my experience of the '04 DVDs mainly in qualitative (and highly subjective), rather than quantitative, terms. That's because I'm also far from a technophile, or any sort of electronics/home theater expert. Most of that stuff quite honestly bores me stiff, so I don't necessarily know the official line on what's "good" or "bad", apart from terms other people on here have thrown around. I really only know what looks to *my* eyes (and I'm told I have relatively sharp eyesight, but I digress.) I'm just fortunate I have a techy brother, who invariable mucks around with the settings on every new gadget we get, and usual ends up with good results for free. Thus, I too have recently been enjoying the LOTR extended blu-rays, and look forward to experimenting with the SW blu-rays come September.
It's true, though, about TVs having tacky showroom settings. I've noticed this--the colors nearly always seem way too bright on TVs playing in stores. I'm sure it's to make them stand out more. (Whereas older relatives usually seem to have their televisions set that way because it's easier for weaker eyes to see : )
I used to work at BB. And that was when we sometimes had TVs on display as many as 2 high and the 1st ones were usually at or near eye level,wheras those stacked or installed above them were not at eye level and thus you really couldn't get a true appreciation for the display. And since customers were given access to the controls, we gave up trying to reset the color levels to what our tech teams had done to fix them so we often just hit the reset to the factory settings. The problem with that is the factory settings are always 25- 40% brighter than being ideal..... Why? Because they are set for TV shows. or sports because sports programs were often used to display the "versatility" of the TV being purchased. But in the 90s when the FCC sided with the TV studios in preventing live programming being displayed, the TV Manufacturers didn't change the factory settings to accomodate the sattelite fed looping that Best Buy and the others used to display which tended to be bright as well as they would be a mix of TV type ads, ads for TV shows, and of course sports. So it begs the question, why dont they (tv manufacturers) calibrate the TVs so that we dont have to pay someone $300 -500 to do so... There are several answers from several companies. But thety agree that it would add $400 - 800 to the price of the TVs (monitors)
DIK, just because some of the brightest stars are visible doesn't mean the starfield is intact (again, I recommend the editorial on the special edition at savestarwars.com). Anyway, unless somebody has actually seen the Blu-ray disc in a dim-lit environment (at least) AND on a properly calibrated display it is premature to evaluate the overall picture quality.
Bradely, the main complaints I remember about the 2004 DVD's as far as color, is that the colors for the lightsabers are off. In Episode 4, Luke's lightsaber is supposed to be blue, but sometimes it appears green. I noticed it in the scene where Luke is training with the lightsaber in the Millenium Falcon with Obi-wan. Darth Vader's lightsaber sometimes appears to be pink or orange instead of red. I agree that overall the 2004 DVD's look great (aside from some color issues). Then there's also the sound errors where the rear surround sound channels are reversed and the music in the 1st Death Star battle is off.
Thanks all of you for your input. Basically what I have heard on all of these boards where they are discussing (and whining) about the 2004 DVD edition is that they were all under the impression that the Blu Ray would not have been re-mastered and just be an upscaled (not upconverted) version from the sources used to make those 2004 DVDs. Having read what some of the more intelligent people have said, it now sounds as if those people made the assumption that there was no tinkering whatsoever of the latest versions and that what we saw on DVD in 2004 is what we will see on the Blu Rays, supposedly in Hi Def. In one of the other blogs someone finally posted a clarification that stated that a true HD 1080p master was indeed created from the same sources they used to create the SD master for the 2004 DVD. Hopefuly those who bellyached about the assumption that it would not be done that way will read that and go "aha". I cant wait....less than 2 months now.....Wondering if BB or Amazon will go any lower than what they are quoting now....
As to defining what is the "star field", I don't think we'll really be able to tally results there, since you're not in my living room, watching what appears on my TV screen. Of course we can't fully measure the quality of the blu-rays yet. A preview is just that: a sliver of the larger pie, and one we've had no direct taste of anyway, but are simply hearing other people's verdicts. Since both taste in both food and film is subject, that's another gap that can't really breached. (And why would we want to? Our differences are what make us more interesting, IMO.) However, for those of us who choose to partake of this pie, we won't taste it for ourselves until September. The preview is just a little smackerel of something to discuss in the meantime. I didn't mean to imply any more than that. I just meant that this *may* be a hopeful sign.
Thanks again, Bradley, for supplying this information. It sounds quite hopeful to me, though maybe it's a weakness that I'm not more of a cynic. Like you, the more the days go by, the less I can wait. Which is nice, since I have to wait a little less each day : )
As OneManShow mentioned above, my biggest problem with the '04 DVDs was the lightsaber colors, principally in ANH, being off in a couple shots. Other than that, I thought they were largely excellent for DVDs. Then again, I didn't really want to analyze technical flaws, just enjoy the films. Perhaps some people think that is an ignorant point of view. I suppose it all depends on what you value.
Thanks again for initiating this interesting discussion.
"Since both taste in both food and film is subject, that's another gap that can't really breached." ?
DIK, are you trying to say it's okay to artificially darken the picture? I think it's not to much too ask to expect the original color and brightness levels the cinematographers and George Lucas originally intended.
Simply adjusting your brightness/darkness control will not give you the desired results. Each TV does not adust the same so it would be impossible for the studios to be able to adjust any movie in the mastering process to appear ideal on all TVs. The problem on most TVs(LCDs) is that when you adjust brightness control, you also have to adjust other settings such as tint, color temp, sharpness, etc. Each TV is manufactured differently and may have different options. There is no way to correctly adjust and balance each setting since you can only do one setting at a time. ISF calibration is the only way to have all the settings to adjust to eachother more accurately.
Sorry, "subject" should have been "subjective." And I'm not really a technophile as such; call me stubborn, but as I keep saying, I just know what looks fine to me. Since film is entirely illusionary--or artificial-- anyway, as long as it looks fine (to me, and how can I judge for anyone else?), I'm not apt to raise a ruckus. Ultimately, it's a decision George Lucas can make for himself, and which we'll see the fruits of come September. What George Lucas "originally intended" is really quite a grey area, isn't it? (Especially versus what he could accomplish then, and what he can do now.)
"Also the gray boxes around the Tie Fighters is going to look amazing in high def."
The grey boxes or garbage mattes (most interesting question: fixed for the upcoming Blu-ray release or not?) serve as a unique THX Optimizer which is part of the actual program and help enable the proper setting of brightness or gamma levels: Turn these values up, until you can hardly see the gray box and you have the correct level (at least, that's how I optimized the DVD viewing experience).
Hey, Coressel. I've been trying to make sense of your link, and evidently there are some features unadvertised on Amazon, but since I don't speak that much German, is there a way to translate the page? I could be blind or computer illiterate, but I can't seem to find one. Thank you.
From what I've been able to translate, it looks like there is nearly 2 hours of cut and extended scenes, and a new 70 minute interview piece. Also something called "Boba Fett - First Look," running about 8 minutes is included, along with additional 20 to 30 minute documentaries / archival material on each of he 6 movies. That could include previously released mini-docs, but it is hard to tell. No matter what, it looks like we really are getting the hours and hours of extras, old and new, as advertised in the Lucasfilm press release, plus other goodies that have yet to be mentioned.