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Foundation's Triumph (Second Foundation Trilogy) [Mass Market Paperback]

David Brin
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May 30, 2000 Second Foundation Trilogy (Book 3)

Isaac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy is one of the highwater marks of science fiction.The monumental story of a Galactic Empire in decline and a secret society of scientists who seek to shorten the coming Dark Age with tools of Psychohistory, Foundation pioneered many themes of modern science fiction.Now, with the approval of the Asimov estate, three of today's most acclaimed authors have completed the epic the Grand Master left unfinished.

The Second Foundation Trilogy begins with Gregory Benford's Foundation's Fear, telling the origins of Hari Seldon, the Foundation's creator. Greg Bear's Foundation and Chaos relates the epic tale of Seldon's downfall and the first stirrings of robotic rebellion. Now, in David Brin's Foundation's Triumph, Seldon is about to escape exile and risk everything for one final quest-a search for knowledge and the power it bestows. The outcome of this final journey may secure humankind's future-or witness its final downfall...


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Amazon.com Review

Isaac Asimov's 1951-53 Foundation trilogy is a rough-hewn classic of far future SF, honored with a unique 1965 Hugo for Best All-Time Series. It begins with "psychohistorian" Hari Seldon mapping the best possible course for humanity's next millennium, after the fall of the doomed Galactic Empire. Late in life Asimov revisited the series and awkwardly linked it with his popular robot stories--introducing vast conspiracy theories to explain the Empire's total lack of visible robots.

Asimov's estate authorized three SF notables to fill out Seldon's life in the Second Foundation Trilogy, which David Brin here wraps up after Gregory Benford's Foundation's Fear and Greg Bear's Foundation and Chaos. Chaos is the new keyword, because chaos theory seemingly makes nonsense of psychohistorical prediction. Whole planetary populations can lapse into chaotic rebellion despite secret mind-controlling agencies behind the scenes. So Seldon makes his last interstellar journey, harried, lectured, and even kidnapped by the warring factions of robots and not-quite-robots that have long manipulated humanity. The robots' dilemma:

"We are loyal, and yet far more competent than our masters. For their own sake, we have kept them ignorant, because we know too well what destructive paths they follow, whenever they grow too aware."

Brin does his best with Asimov's overcrowded legacy, skillfully steering Seldon to an insight about the much-foretold future that satisfies both the old man and the reader, with a spark of human free will and constructive chaos shining through the grayness of predestination. Asimov would have approved. --David Langford, Amazon.co.uk --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

From Publishers Weekly

With the permission of the estate of Isaac Asimov, Gregory Benford (Foundations Fear), Greg Bear (Foundation and Chaos) and Brin, collectively billed as the Killer Bs, took on the Second Foundation Trilogy. Unhappily, Brins preachy, gelatinous conclusion deserves another Bfor Boring. Having followed the adventures of the galactic Foundation founder, Hari Seldon, in previous volumes, Asimov aficionados here find Seldon retired, aged, infirm and on the brink of death. Then a chance encounter with a low-level bureaucrat stimulates Seldon into creaky action against chaos, a mental disease afflicting all humanity. Seldon travels fitfully through an upside-down universe 20,000 years into mankinds future, when humans have become impotent, amnesiac creator-gods. Their creations, Asimovs positronic robots led by the enigmatic R. Daneel Olivaw, really control the universe. Brin (The Postman, etc.) resurrects many characters from the five previous Foundation volumes, but their lack of vitality makes these featureless humans as bland as robots. And he divulges these characters secrets in laborious sociological theorizing little better than a thin stream of platitudes. After so much recycling of Asimovs original, the wear and tear is showing, badly, but enough loose plot ends dangle to suggest that yet more sequels may be coming, someday.
Copyright 1999 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Product Details

  • Mass Market Paperback: 400 pages
  • Publisher: HarperTorch; First HarperTorch Paperback Edition edition (May 30, 2000)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0061056391
  • ISBN-13: 978-0061056390
  • Product Dimensions: 6.8 x 4.2 x 1.2 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 7.2 ounces (View shipping rates and policies)
  • Average Customer Review: 3.6 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (56 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #505,225 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

More About the Author

David Brin is a scientist, public speaker and world-known author. His novels have been New York Times Bestsellers, winning multiple Hugo, Nebula and other awards. At least a dozen have been translated into more than twenty languages.

David's latest novel - Existence - is set forty years ahead, in a near future when human survival seems to teeter along not just on one tightrope, but dozens, with as many hopeful trends and breakthroughs as dangers... a world we already see ahead. Only one day an astronaut snares a small, crystalline object from space. It appears to contain a message, even visitors within. Peeling back layer after layer of motives and secrets may offer opportunities, or deadly peril.

David's non-fiction book -- The Transparent Society: Will Technology Make Us Choose Between Freedom and Privacy? -- deals with secrecy in the modern world. It won the Freedom of Speech Award from the American Library Association.

A 1998 movie, directed by Kevin Costner, was loosely based on his post-apocalyptic novel, The Postman. Brin's 1989 ecological thriller - Earth - foreshadowed global warming, cyberwarfare and near-future trends such as the World Wide Web. David's novel Kiln People has been called a book of ideas disguised as a fast-moving and fun noir detective story, set in a future when new technology enables people to physically be in more than two places at once. A hardcover graphic novel The Life Eaters explored alternate outcomes to WWII, winning nominations and high praise.

David's science fictional Uplift Universe explores a future when humans genetically engineer higher animals like dolphins to become equal members of our civilization. These include the award-winning Startide Rising, The Uplift War, Brightness Reef, Infinity's Shore and Heaven's Reach. He also recently tied up the loose ends left behind by the late Isaac Asimov: Foundation's Triumph brings to a grand finale Asimov's famed Foundation Universe.

Brin serves on advisory committees dealing with subjects as diverse as national defense and homeland security, astronomy and space exploration, SETI and nanotechnology, future/prediction and philanthropy.

As a public speaker, Brin shares unique insights -- serious and humorous -- about ways that changing technology may affect our future lives. He appears frequently on TV, including several episodes of "The Universe" and History Channel's "Life After People." He also was a regular cast member on "The ArciTECHS."

Brin's scientific work covers an eclectic range of topics, from astronautics, astronomy, and optics to alternative dispute resolution and the role of neoteny in human evolution. His Ph.D in Physics from UCSD - the University of California at San Diego (the lab of nobelist Hannes Alfven) - followed a masters in optics and an undergraduate degree in astrophysics from Caltech. He was a postdoctoral fellow at the California Space Institute. His technical patents directly confront some of the faults of old-fashioned screen-based interaction, aiming to improve the way human beings converse online.

Brin lives in San Diego County with his wife and three children.

You can follow David Brin:
Website: http://www.davidbrin.com/
Blog: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/
Twitter: http://twitter.com/DavidBrin
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Customer Reviews

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49 of 53 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Best Killer B Foundation book December 19, 1999
Format:Hardcover
First, I believe that the Foundation novels by Isaac Asimov are one of the best novel series in all of modern SF.

Second, I liked the later Foundation novels by Asimov almost as much as I liked the orginal three novels.

Third, I didn't like Gregory Benford's first novel expanding into Foundation terrotory. I did like Greg Bears second novel of this newer Foundation series. And I like this treatment by Brin the best of the new series of Foundation material.

Now... It really isn't the good Doctor's writing style. But then, the Good Doctor had that styleless style that never gets in the way of the Story. But, Brin has one of the better writing styles in modern SF/F. Which makes this very much worth reading. It is pretty much required that you have read both Benford's and Bear's books in the series first. But then, that is why it is called a "series".

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24 of 24 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars No worse than any of Asimov's later Foundation books February 18, 2000
Format:Hardcover
Not as good as Bear's effort in this series but light years ahead of Benford's attrocious book, Brin actually does too neat a job trying to tie everything together. At the same time, he deliberately throws out a few loose ends on the outside chance someone wants to use them later on in the series.

What really makes this book not so good is the fact that the reader must engage in a huge amount of "willing sense of disbelief" when it comes to an 80 year old scientist trapsing around the galaxy one last time. And there are simply too many pat plot devices to get around this plain fact. Plus, we're now expected to believe that mankind's 12K years of lassitude was once again brought about by massive behind the scenes efforts of robots.

At the same time, Brin does an excellent job of exploring the entire "robot sect" theory--that in itself makes the book a worthwhile read.

Like many of the other reviewers, I hope that we've now explored Hari Seldon's life for the absolute last time. The whole Foundation Universe would have been better off with less detail about Seldon's "adventures" and more work on other interesting aspects of the story.

Is this book worth purchasing? Not in hard copy it isn't. Go to your library. If you want all the Foundation/Robot books on one shelf, wait for the paperback version.

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13 of 13 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars Interesting but not necessary. September 10, 1999
By A Customer
Format:Hardcover
I am surprised that others think that Brin's book is better than Bear's book. Is this because it is the most recent or because it attempts to answer so many questions ? Benford's book did not add anything useful to the Foundation story (I HATE the pans, sims, memes, wormholes, etc). Bear's book expanded on the "Epilogue" of "Forward the Foundation" (which I assume that Asimov intended to do). I think that the plot and the characters are best in "Foundation and Chaos".

"Foundation's Triumph" spends a lot of time referencing things from other Foundation books and attempting to add insight into things that we already know. The main plot is that the Daneel robots want Hari to give the robots permission to destroy the ships that were used to teraform the planets 20,000 year ago, and the anti-Daneel robots (and cyborgs) want Hari to go 500 years in the future to judge the things that Daneel plans to do. It ties in "I, Robot", "Caliban", "Pebble in the Sky", "Blind Alley", and many of the other Foundation books.

Unfortunately, the pans, sims, and wormholes are also in the story, although not as heavily as in "Foundation's Fear". But, unfortunately it does introduce cyborgs, and fountain-of-youth-machines.

The story makes Daneel sound like a god. He created the Empire, and the class structure. He used genetic engineering to make Hari a genius and to introduce mentalic people. He developed persuasion satellites and brain fever to keep humans from creating robots and to fight the chaos plague. A wave of robot terraforming ships secretly prepared the planets for the colonists (and may have killed other life in process). Daneel setup the pan immersion assassination attempt (Foundation's Fear) to test Hari for the roll of First Minister. Daneel plans to find (or rather create genetically) a human 500 years in the future who is always right to judge Gaia 500 year before "Foundation's Edge".

The biggest thing that I could not swallow is that chaos is a virus developed by Earth. It also says that the Empire death can be stopped, but it needs to occur so that the bureaucracy dies. What ?

I do like the fact that the book indirectly states that Gaia does not take over in it pure form since the Encyclopedia Galactica quotes are from 1054 F.E. and Hari and Daneel agree that there will be no need for the Encyclopedia if Galaxia occurs in it's pure form.

It leaves room for a future book when two characters go to the future via the time warp on Earth.

The book introduces some interesting ideas, and the plot has a lot of twists and turns. But, overall I do not think that it is as good as Bear or Asimov (Of course it is better than Benford). Only Bear captured the spirit of Asimov in my opinion.

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Most Recent Customer Reviews
5.0 out of 5 stars Conclusion trilogy
These books conclude the outstanding story created by Isaac Aszimov many years ago. The selected authors did a credible job in following the story to a logical coclusion.
Published 11 days ago by Sarah J. Epperly
3.0 out of 5 stars slow
I love the foundation series but had to force myself to finish this one
most of it seemed so slow and pointless
Published 18 days ago by Emerson Arntz
1.0 out of 5 stars The nightmare continues!
In this Universe, robots are the masters and humans are their pets. R. Daneel Olivaw is the ruler. Although what I could stomach does not state explicitly; R. Read more
Published 1 month ago by Robert Pearson
5.0 out of 5 stars Well worth it for any Asimov fan
While I will generally never read additional novels not by the original writer, I decided to give these a shot because I also had read Benford, Bear, and Brin (Brin being one of my... Read more
Published 19 months ago by Adam S. Lux
1.0 out of 5 stars Appalling Nonsense Wasting The Work Of The First Two Authors
no, it's not Asimov: but while Benford's first novel ('Fear') was a first rate piece of writing, offering fascinating characters and possibilities the other two other authors have... Read more
Published on August 17, 2010 by ever hopeful
3.0 out of 5 stars Old Hari Seldon sees to the end of psychohistory
Hari Seldon, old and sick, can feel his vitality diminishing day by day. His time vault recording sessions have been completed. Read more
Published on June 24, 2009 by Jari Aalto
2.0 out of 5 stars Plumbing the depths of evil
It's 2008, and I've finally read the second Foundation triolgy, written by other people after Asimov's death. Read more
Published on August 31, 2008 by Thomas M. Davis
4.0 out of 5 stars Sharp literary framing
Asimov's straightforward storytelling and large collection of works makes the robots/empire/foundation series a great example of a "future history" canon. Read more
Published on August 29, 2008 by hexian
3.0 out of 5 stars OK, but lose those robots...
David Brin's writing style is better than Greg Bear's in "Foundation and Chaos" and infinitely better than Benson's in "Foundation's Fear. Read more
Published on July 1, 2008 by Roger J. Buffington
4.0 out of 5 stars Foundation Triumph
At last! the last book to my collection! I now have Isaac Asimov's entire collection of books.
Published on January 18, 2008 by M. D. Inman
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