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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars A Good Read!, March 19, 2001
This review is from: Fourth Generation Management: The New Business Consciousness (Hardcover)
To survive in today's business environment, it's not enough to just keep improving - you have to do it faster than the other guy does. Brian L. Joiner provides valuable direction in how to get better faster. This approach transcends goal-based management by focusing on the needs of the customer. Only then do apparent contradictions between customer service and cost-cutting become manageable again. The author admits that the teachings of management guru W. Edwards Deming heavily influences his advice. We at getAbstract recommend this very helpful work to managers searching for a more enlightened, more effective approach. It will be particularly useful for those who need a strong rationale to do what they already think is right.
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3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A wealth of knowledge, September 10, 1997
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This review is from: Fourth Generation Management: The New Business Consciousness (Hardcover)
Dr. Joiner has made a significant contribution to the advancement of Deming theory with Fourth Generation Management. Elegant theory is shown in practice, providing examples that will stay on your mind as points of reference for years to come
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4 of 5 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars I wish every senior manager would read this book., September 15, 1999
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Adam Lefton (Schaumburg, IL USA) - See all my reviews
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While I think the title "Fourth Generation Management" overstates its impact, I wish every senior manager in corporate America would read this book. Many of today's larger corporations are filled with managers so busy fighting for their own promotion (or survival) that their decisions and actions fail to move the organization towards its goals. Adding to the problem is a general laziness in the thought processes displayed by many career-minded individuals. Further compounding the problem is the mindless tampering that always seems to backfire, resulting in increased costs and waste. In this very readable book, Brian Joiner provides solid explanations for these phenomena and offers insight into how to address these issues. As a management consultant, I often recommend this book to my clients. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me - adamleft@webspan.net.
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2 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Practical and Realistic, February 29, 2000
This review is from: Fourth Generation Management: The New Business Consciousness (Hardcover)
Joiner, being Deming's former protégé, has not let the latter down by the technical content of this book. It is straightforward and realistic in its teachings and does not glorify the illustrious side of 'Quality' and its affiliated managerial principles. Most managers should find it relatively easy and practical enough to apply.

A manual well written.

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5.0 out of 5 stars This book is a signal in the sea of noise, June 1, 2011
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"This book is never far from my sight. It demonstrates why a "new" style of management is needed, especially if an organization wants to thrive in the 21st century. It is no longer sustainable to continue to carry on with 20th century management in the 21st century. Managers who are serious about turning their business around, need to understand the difference between noise and signal in order to make better business choices, as well as understand why it is so important to develop employees in a way that demonstrates respect, should read this book."
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5.0 out of 5 stars Great Book, May 7, 2011
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This book is outstanding for anyone want to move their business forward. Our country is stuck in 3rd generation management and it is time to move forward if our country wants to remain competitive with the world. Easy to read and understand. Follows a lot of Deming's principles.
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5.0 out of 5 stars I highly recommend this book, September 9, 2007
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Brian Joiner really captures the key concepts leaders need to understand to lead their businesses today. His explanation of variation should open many eyes and help many businesses avoid over-correction and over-compensation for what is just occurring. And that is just one of the many useful concepts this book provides.

This book is a classic and should be core to business school curricula.
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5.0 out of 5 stars All businesses have costs but waste is optional., August 21, 2007
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Stephen Parry "Author of Sense and Respond" (Lean Service Transformation Designer London) - See all my reviews
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This is an excellent book, with many breakthrough ideas explained in a very compelling way.

I recommend this book for practitioners working with Lean, Systems thinking or general operational improvement, however, if you are into six-sigma you will not understand the profound knowledge this book contains.

There are a many reasons why I like this book, it has some memorable insights and phrases. Such as `don't work on costs, work on the causes of costs'.

Joiner also highlights how most managers manage their business without any theory behind their actions.. `We should be thankful if the action of management is based on theory...'

Joiner relentlessly pushes the notion that organisations must be `understood and managed as a `system', while developing process thinking, making decisions on customer data and understanding the theory of variation'.

He then goes on to say that the typical management response to calls for improvement is to either 1) distort the system or 2) distort the figures instead of improving the system.

Most people in the world of operational improvement will have come across the Deming PDCA (Plan Do Check Act) cycle, Joiner explains and supports this process very well but he adds a significant insight, what he says is, that when starting to make improvements you must start at CHECK, in fact he devotes a whole chapter to this important variation on Deming's PDCA theme. `Performing check is what most organisations fail to do. Check uncovers things we would just as soon not know, it forces us to look at the huge wastes in each of our activities and exposes it all, and the non productive or plain stupid things we have unknowingly been doing for years. It creates the gut level energy to do a better job of taking Action, of Planning and Doing'.

Joiner states that `a fundamental tenant is that nothing happens in a predictable, sustainable way unless you build mechanisms that cause it to happen in a predictable sustained way'

He talks about listening to management conversations for insights into the organisations real intent and focus he says ... `The way top management spends its time and the questions they ask of each other and the rest of the organisation is critical in determining the focus of the organisation.'

The book goes on to explain how to reduce process variation, the sections about how managers respond to variation would be amusing if they were not real, i.e. how managers work on the people instead of working on the system and the injustice that results in addition to the loss in organisational performance.

A good example of system variation resulting in perverse decisions and behaviour is illustrated by an example Joiner uses in telling a real story about a bank teller, who on several occasions got rewarded for her performance and at other times chastised....finally, she was unlucky enough to loose her job. Later, when talking to a friend she said that she never understood why she being praised because she hadn't done anything different and likewise the chastisement. Further conversation revealed that she had been a victim of system variation, the performance factors were attributed to her and not where they should have been that is to the system in which she worked. Essentially she had lost the Variation Lottery. He quotes Dr. Lloyd Nelson `failure to understand variation is the central problem of management'

Joiner also wallops the inappropriate use of standards (accreditation schemes like ISO and BSI) because they are a barrier to improvement and creativity. He argues that standards far from improving the organisation often result in a loss of performance. `They stifle creativity, deflect attention from customers, increase red tape and make work inflexible, while providing only the minimum acceptable outputs'

When it comes to people motivation he states that `to optimise the organisation as a whole, intrinsic motivation works better that rewards and punishment'

Finally he states that in order to get `better results you must have better methods' and he goes on to explain what those methods are.

This is a fine book, with excellent practical ideas as long as you see people as an asset capable of improving their own workplace and not as a cost to be `managed'.
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4.0 out of 5 stars Moving from management by objective to the next generation., December 7, 1997
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Michael (Flower Mound, TX) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Fourth Generation Management: The New Business Consciousness (Hardcover)
A paragraph from the last chapter is an excellent statement of what's covered.
"No executive wants to increase inefficiency and waste, cost and bureaucracy. Yet without a dedication to customers, without an understanding of systems thinking and variation, without an appreciation for cooperation and the use of data, that is unfortunately what we end up doing." (page 255)
You will likely see your company in one of the many examples given by Mr. Joiner. Chapter 9 gives just the right amount of detail in understanding variation and the use of control charts. The remainder of the book helps you understand how "common" and "specific" causes affect a system and how to manage them.
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