Customer Reviews

Garmin nüvi 670 4.3-Inch Bluetooth Portable GPS Navigator

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I bought this to replace a Tomtom Navigator 5 system running on a Dell x51v with the external Tomtom Bluetooth receiver. The major issues with that were a terrible lack of POIs, terrible time and distance predictions, poor routing, no control of the map view and the receiver shutting off despite being on external power.

First thing I noticed on opening the box is that the mains charger comes with adapters for all the countries I regularly visit, so I clicked the US two pin adapter in place, plugged it in then plugged the lead into the 670. It came on immediately and said it was loading maps. A few seconds later it showed a map. It was already locked on! That's a huge advance from the old days when it took at least 4 minutes for my GPSIII+ to find the satellites. I am in the middle of the top floor of a large open plan building, the position shown was accurate.

Without looking at the manual I got rid of the touch beep, bound it to my bluetooth phone, set the timezone and voice and set it up to navigate to a restaurant for lunch. All in under 15 minutes with time out for work.

In the car I mounted the unit to the windshield and plugged in the power conenction, it immediately lit up green to show it was connected to the traffic system. I was expecting to have to register and sign up for a service agreement, instead it came up and showed it was already enabled with 3 months to run. A few minutes later I looked at the traffic detail map and saw it already showed the local problem areas. Very cool.

Apparently the 2.60+ firmware handles 4Gb SD cards so I ordered one and look forward to trying the MP3 player. (I have used three different 4Gb cards since I wrote this and they all work perfectly.)

I tested the POI list by looking for gas stations and particular stores in the area, it had everything I knew of and more, so I am very hopeful at this stage.

I'm looking forward to trying the hands free too, all we did so far is dial another cell phone in the car and laugh about the echo we got. Sound quality and volume seemed good. I'm going for a 1500 mile road trip to Utah this weekend, so I'll update after that.

1685 miles later...

Garmin certainly has accurate maps for CA, NV and UT, they seemed very up to date. The option to "avoid dirt roads" was especially welcome and saved me some nasty miles that the direct route would have taken on unpaved roads. Routing was mostly good, but could do with some more skepticism on the choice of rural state roads. I was happy to take route 88 into the Sierras from the bay area because I was on a road trip, but I80 is probably 50% faster.

The one significant bug is a holdover from previous Garmin products like the GPS V, it is also an issue it shares with Tomtom. While heading down an interstate, let's take I880 from Oakland to Fremont as an example, with many miles of straight ahead to go, the 670 will direct you off at a ramp, it likes to take the I238 ramp towards Livermore, and then immediately back on. This is amusing to a local, but it could be very confusing to a visitor. It did the same to me in 395 south through Reno last night, that did confuse me. This is a bug that should have been eradicated years ago.

Another issue with the GPS V is still present in the 670. When recalculating the map display is suspended, so right when you need to see what's going on you have a useless map. When routing resumes it gives the verbal instructions before repainting the map. Not good. In contrast the Tomtom always recalculates silently and just flashes up the new route. The Tomtom never leaves you with a dead screen. I don't like to be told every time the route is recalculated, when I go the wrong way, for whatever reason, there's no brownie points to be gained telling me off. At the very least there should be the option to disable this 'feature'.

POI selection is absolutely outstanding, at least compared to other things I have used. It makes the Tomtom implementation look like amateur night. You can select the POI by type, gas stations, shops and restaurants are my favorites, then either go straight to the list of hit SPELL and type in part of the name. It will match on any part of the name, so you can include partial names, even partial words, and it will still show the matches. Once you have your list you can select by address, direction and distance, or see the POI on a map. The direction changes from compass direction when stationary to relative direction when moving, so you don't have to waste your time looking at gas stations you passed twenty miles ago.

I did have one POI which can obviously never have been true, the Shell station near Lohi, UT has obviously always been a house. But mostly the POIs are very accurate.

It is disappointing that you can no longer select different on-screen data, I liked that with the old units and miss it. That's a big step backwards. I want to know time-to-next, time-to-go, course, altitude and other things that used to be offered.

There is a weird issue with map detail and zoom level, small roads appear and disappear as you zoom in and out. Let's be clear, a small road that is visible on a small scale (big area) disappears as you zoom in and then only reappears at some of the highest scales (most detailed) when you can't see any context, or even if it's actually the same road.

In general though, the automatic map scaling is very good, the 3-D view shifts to a track up view as it zooms out, this addresses my major gripe with Tomtom in that it allows you to keep your route in context and see how you are getting on in the big picture. As the view zooms in it adds a lot of street detail, much much better than Tomtom.

The time to destination predictions remain excellent. Outstanding. It was within minutes on the driving time over a distance of hundreds of miles on each occasion. Tomtom is often pessimistic by 50%, totally inadequate for planning purposes.

Is it worth it? Is it as good as it should be? For me, no and no. For $850 I can get a decent laptop, that's a lot more hardware, so that's not where the money went. They are still not addressing their software issues, they have faulty algorithms that have been unmodified for years and inherited from old products. As a software engineer I am disappointed but not surprised. Near work it will still sometimes tell me to take three right turns instead of an entirely legal left.

But it is very good. Garmin's mechanical people have done a great job, this is obviously a class device. But the software and systems people aren't as good.

Overall? If I could edit the rating I'd drop at a point or two now. But I still haven't seen better. At these prices it's not like there are many people who are willing to try them all.

Contrasting my own companies attitude to software errors (we are one of the biggest suppliers in the cell phone, commercial radio, wireless networking and many other fields), we would not allow even a mildly irritating bug to remain in one of our products for years. So I am wondering if I should return this on principal. I'll try support first, in the past that didn't achieve much.

8,000 miles later

Yes, I do a lot of miles.

Lasting impressions: I almost always have the voice prompt switched off, the guidance is repeated too often on high speed roads and I hate to hear it continuously telling me that it is recalculating when I don't agree with the way it told me to go.

There have been too many instances of ridiculous routing, you need to zoom out and see of the route looks sensible. Most do. A good example of a bad one was in Yellowstone National Park, I was in Canyon Village and wanted to return to my hotel in West Yellowstone, about a 35 mile trip fairly well due west. The first part went OK but then I was directed north 60 miles on US89, 30 miles west on I90 then 60 miles south on US191. I ignored the advice and the continuous u-turn instructions and recalculation. As I arrived at the Wyoming/Montana border, about three miles down a straight road from my hotel, the Nuvi crashed. Screen controls didn't work. When I swiched it off and on again it discovered there was a three mile route to the hotel instead of the previous 170+ mile suggestion. Strange.

The traffic information has been a mixed blessing too. As traffic builds in the morning and evening rush hours it seems to be added in realtime, but it doesn't seem to be purged out when it is no longer present. So if I go in to work late at 10am the roads are running at the speed limit but the traffic information on the Nuvi still says they are at a crawl. On Friday night I went to dinner after work, when I left at 11pm the roads were quiet and most people were doing 15mph over the limit, but the Nuvi told me that I880 was jammed solid with a 30 minute delay for the next few miles. That had probably been true six hours earlier, but not in the last four. This isn't a fault with the unit, it's a fault with the traffic service, when switched on the unit gave the correct route. Bad traffic information also gives unreasonably pessimistic ETA estimates.

Would I buy it knowing what I do now? Still yes. I still think Garmin are the best of the current offerings, they just need to fix a few things and beat up their traffic information provider.

Does it work with SDHC Cards? Yes it does. I have tried the Transcend 4Gb card, which I use for music and audio books, and a SanDisk 4Gb card which came straight out of my Canon SD1000 and in to the Nuvi. A couple of seconds later it was showing a slide show of the pictures I took recently, so it can handle 2Mb jpeg files too.

Long term traffic issues: the traffic information is mostly for entertainment, the service quality is minimal, so you might get informed within half an hour of an incident, but they then might leave that on for another couple of hours. So by the time you multiply that by a few hundred incidents and road sensors it leaves you with a very unreliable picture of the world. It also misses some of the major daily bottlenecks, in the SF Bay Area good examples would be where south I880 narrows at Mission, and north I880 at Alvarado Niles, both places slow every day and can cost you 10 minutes and aren't reported reliably unless they spread out of their usual mile of clogged road. But again, this is the fault of the service, not the unit, but Garmin pays the fee and needs to lean on their information providers.

From an ergonomics and hardware perspective, the Nuvi is clearly the class leader. It does cost too much and the simplicty of the interface greatly limits flexibility.

Hardware. The Nuvi makes the TomTom and other units look downright bloated and clunky. The industrial design is not quite in the Apple league but is the best thing available at the moment. The SiRF chipset is far superior to those used in older GPS units (including some current Garmin StreetPilots). It locks signal quickly, the screen is bright, the voice to text is clear, etc.

I have owned many GPS units of all makes and types. Thus, unlike many 1st time GPS owners, I am no longer mesmerized by the fact that GPS can find my street address. The Garmin, like many other brands does a very good job at getting you from point A to point B. Garmin's maps and algorithms do seem slightly better than some others but it will still send you on some routes that a local driver would not use. the fact that the 670 is preloaded with maps of both Europe and the USA is a great feature IF, and only if, you have a need for this.

My biggest frustration with the Nuvi lineup is the limited configuration options. Garmin, in an effort to appeal to soccer Mom's, has really dumbed down the interface compared to years ago when you could configure just about everything including display of MGRS data. The Nuvi has even less flexibility than the StreetPilot series when it comes to configuration options.

Like any brand of GPS, the Garmin will often recommend a route that is simply absurd. This is where the interface falls down because the only place to select from shortest time, shortest distance, etc., is in the system configuration menus. Magellan, for example, asks you every time if you want "shortest time", "shortest distance", "least use of freeways", "most use of freeways", etc. If Magellan suggests a goofy route you simply go back one screen and pick an alternative. This also provides a quick and easy way to compare various routing suggestions. To do so on the Nuvi you have to return all the way back to the system settings and even then you only have shortest time or shortest distance. I do understand that many folks want to keep it as simple as possible but I also think Garmin should include an "advanced settings" menu for those who want more. Yes, the StreetPilots are more configurable but they are dinosaurs from a hardware perspective.

The TMC traffic service is a mixed bag. It is only useful in certain metropolitan areas. Likewise, the information is often not current. It is like listening to the traffic report telling you that Route XYZ is fine when you are sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on that very road. Quality of data really depends on the geographic area and the road itself. But yes, the way Garmin built the FM receiver into the power cord is a thing of engineering beauty.

Bluetooth may or may not work for you. When I try to pair my Nokia 9300 the Nokia sees the Garmin but the Garmin never sees the Nokia. If this feature is important to you then do check the Garmin site to see if your phone is listed as a compatible unit.

The graphics are good but nothing special. Again, about on par with everyone else.

I have not tried using the Nuvi as an MP3 player. I already own an iPod.

The big question becomes, is it worth the money? This is a tough call considering that some GPS units are now at the $200 mark. If you fly from city to city and want to take your GPS along then the Nuvi is a good choice. It is great to be in a strange city where you jump in a rental car, plug in an address, and away you go. If you want the basics or do not need the slim form factor there are much better deals from Magellan, TomTom, and even Garmin. The Nuvi is a better product but i do not think it is so much better that it justifies the huge price premium. I might feel differently if it had some amazing graphics engine or there were an "advanced configuration" menu that allowed me to tailor it to my own quirks and needs.

I did buy the 670 for the size and the USA/Europe maps. For those specific needs it is the best in class. I do love the Nuvi hardware but I still prefer the software and configuration options on my 4 year old Magellan Roadmate.

The nuvi 670 is my third Garmin GPS. The first one was Street Pilot II, very hard to use. The second one was C330, very easy to use. I also have built-in GPS in two of my cars too. The new Garmins are all very easy to use. I bought the 670 for traveling in north America and Europe. Also bought the bean bag, what a waste! Within the first two miles I tried, it just flew off the dash board in a straight acceleration at a traffic light. I am sticking with the suction cup.

A couple interesting things: A street near where I live was built about three years ago and it wasn't in the nuvi still. I tried to look up some hotels and attractions in Venice, Italy and Geneva, Switzerland but the nuvi didn't even list the two citis (read on). I e-mailed Garmin tech support and was told I have to be near the cities to be able to find the POIs. What a bunch of BS. It worked when I searched POIs in Zurich, why not Geneva and Venice? Later I found out by myself that, if the spelling of an European city in its native language is not the same as its English spelling, the nuvi may not list it after you enter the city name in its English spelling. You need to enter the native spelling. For example, I entered "Geneva", it listed a bunch of Genevas in the U.S., but not THE Geneva in Switzerland, same thing with Venice. I found out the Geneva is Geneve and Venice is Venezia in native language. Once I typed Geneve and Venezia, it worked!

I guess you need to play with it a bit to learn the tricks but all in all it's a nice device.

I picked Garmin because their web site gave better info on their products than other manufacturers. The size and shape of the Nuvi sold me over their PDA-based products. This 670 has a larger screen than the 370 and has the pre-loaded European maps which the 660 model lacks.

The unit has worked properly right out of the box and even acquired the GPS signals inside our house.

The maps display clearly in both 3D and 2D views, with detail appropriate to the level of zoom, which can vary from tens of meters out to showing the whole continent. Mounting the unit in the center of the windshield just under the mirror reduces the obstruction and places it where one is already used to looking. As expected, full sunshine compromises visibility even with backlighting set to 100%. At night, reducing the backlighting to 50% still gives a brighter image than the car's instruments.

The pre-loaded maps include some fairly out-of-the-way restaurants and hotels that I've visited before. Searches for points of interest can start from other locations, so you can get directions to an out-of-town location that you haven't already visited and saved.

Calculation of routes works well with the caveat that the the unit can't know that I prefer to use a scenic route or to turn onto busy main streets at a light.

You can select from several voices. I first picked a classy British lady to read directions, and was quite happy with the result. However, her pronunciation of street names once we got to Quebec make me laugh. Picking the French voice cleared that up, but now I can't wait to hear what that one will do to English place names.

I've had no use yet for the Bluetooth and FM TMC traffic features. Ditto the so-called "must have" features such as MP3 player, audio book player, JPEG picture viewer, currency and unit converters, and extra-cost SD cards. However, I do find the world clock feature, displaying up to five time-zones, useful. The MP3 player is just that; CDs ripped in .wma format won't play.

Overall, I'm satisfied with the purchase. I rationalize the expense (maps only cost a few dollars) by noting that, although I can plot out a route on a map, a few minutes into the trip, I'll have forgotten the directions. Write them on paper? What, and miss all this fun?

Took the Nuvi 670 to Sweden, Denmark, and down to central Germany. Also, did a trip from southern Maine to eastern PA. GPS reception was always good, maps were very good, and no major routing problems. The fastest route setting does sometimes send you on a slower route (one time it took us off the main road through winding slow roads back to the main road, and there were no traffic alerts). The traffic receiver worked in the congested areas of both our Europe & USA trips. When there is traffic info, an icon silently appears on the screen (several times we hit traffic delays only to see that the nuvi knew about it but didn't warn us). You only get an audible traffic delay alert (and automatic recalculate announcement) when a fixed excessive delay ahead value is exceeded (you can't set that value). Also, the traffic display map is separate from the navigation display maps... and that traffic map is rather primitive.

Signed up to one of the safety-camera POI services linked from the Garmin site and downloaded the locations of European speed & traffic-light cameras. The POI alert function on the nuvi worked great.

The photo viewer is dreadfully slow. Photos aren't always displayed full screen, even when they have enough resolution. There is no way to easily locate a photo... you have to painfully go through the thumbnails in sequence.

I'm not so sure the extra price for the wide screen nuvi is worth it. I sprung for it thinking the picture viewer would be great with my camera... most of the photos had black bands to the side, so the smaller screen would have been about the same. During on-the-road navigation you tend to only look at the map area at the center of the screen, so the sides are not quite as important. The wide screen is useful when finding something when you are at a roadside rest.

The MP3 player is great... patched the Nuvi to the radio aux input and enjoyed what we loaded on an SD card. The FM transmitter works well until your radio picks up a weak station at the frequency you pick.

Bluetooth hands-free works well.

The Webupdater works well, and you'll want to update the software to the latest version.

Some suggested improvements for Garmin to consider in a future software update:
- give an audible alert when traffic info changes on the calculated route
- integrate the traffic display info into the navigation maps.
- improve the fastest route calculation algorithm... add time for each turn, sharp curve, and crossroad/congested-area.
- expand on ways to customize the route... for example, it would be nice to tap several road segments and mark each as route-via or do-not-use (and an option to save do-not-use segments for future trips).
- add a way to quickly locate photos in the photo viewer application (every Nth thumbnail option)
- speed up the photo thumbnail display
- have the photo viewer show photos as full screen (unless the photo's resolution is so low it would be too fuzzy)

For about ten years I had been using a Garmin 12 Map for my travels. It worked quite well and still functions as if new. I was quite curious to discover the differences that one decade would make in a navigational system. To claim here that the changes are astonishing would be both accurate and vastly understated. The Nuvi 670 includes a variable FM transmitter that permits the audio to run through a car or home stereo on any vacant FM frequency (although there are few such frequencies any more). The Nuvi also includes VERY detailed maps of the USA, Canada, all of Western Europe and some of Eastern Europe. It has a superb MP3 player, a photo storage capability and a useful talking book player.

At 6.2 ounces it feels light and portable, even in a shirt pocket (where it fits easily). The screen is clear, bright and functions well on its internal (Lithium Ion) battery, via an (included) AC adapter or the 12/24 Volt car-charger (also included) that simultaneously serves as a traffic info antennae that will also run through the car's FM radio. The tiny built-in speaker provides good quality sound and volume, so the FM radio is not necessary (if there are no vacant frequencies or you are outside of a car/home).

The car charger only connects to the Nuvi via the suction cup adapter (for windshield mounting) so a user needs to carry the mounting system on trips to be able to use the car charger. As with all portable GPS receivers, mounting is an issue because the windshield suction cup obscures some visibility, and leaving on the dash (even with an optional "bean bag" mount) makes the unit subject to sliding or falling during sharp turns or sudden stops. However, because reception is VASTLY improved (over my 12 Map Garmin), satellite signals can easily be recceived anywhere inside the car, so I am now placing the unit on the center console where it works just fine.

I recently purchased a new car and decided NOT to include the factory GPS because it was far more expensive than the Garmin (MSRP $2,500), less functional and not portable. I am convinced that was the prudent choice, and when I eventually sell this new car, I get to keep the GPS.

I do plan to take the Nuvi to Europe this fall. The map coverage there seems as complete as that in the USA.

Clearly I am quite pleased with my second Garmin. The company has earned my loyalty AND the record profits Garmin has earned from being such a leader in a complex field.

Man, what a disappointment! The Nuvi 660/670 is a beautiful device - a sleek design with an excellent screen, and great position accuracy. Since this is our second Garmin (we currently own a Quest), we were mainly interested in a GPS device with an up to date US & European point of interest (POI) database. The Nuvi 670 seemed to fit the bill perfectly given its large POI database.

But this is exactly where the device failed. We tried more than 25 POIs in Atlanta, GA where we're currently based. The 670 was unable to successfully guide us to a single POI correctly. We tried various well known shops that have been around for at least 5 years, e.g. Publix, Toys-R-Us, Wal-Mart (including a Wal-Mart Superstore that has been around for 10 years), Target, Barnes & Nobles, etc. Either it did not know that the shop existed, or it guided us to a non-existent shop. The same applied to fuel stations.

If we provided it with an address it worked like a dream and the accuracy was great. But the POI database proved to be totally useless. Fortunately Amazon's after sale support is brilliant and they allowed us to return the Nuvi 670.

Oh yes, Garmin has no after hour support...

I purchased the Nuvi 670 for use in both US and Europe, and just returned from a 2 week trip driving in Germany, Austria and Italy. The 670 worked as advertised - just turn it on and it found the satellites and our location and was ready to navigate. I used the included suction cup mount, wedged into a dash tray. No problem with satellite connection. Internal speaker was excellent. Maps were very detailed. The 670 found every small road we used, even the winding one lane paths in small towns. Pronounciation of street names was comical, but adequate, especially when coupled with the clear text line at the top of the screen that gave the name of approaching cross streets and the turn instructions in the lower right corner. We could not have navigated in some places without the Nuvi, as the street maps we purchased were not as detailed and were impossible to follow quickly enough. This is a superb product.

I purhcased the nuvi 670 from Amazon several weeks ago and I was hapy with the unit until I checked to see if there were map updates avaialable from Garmin. Garmin's website stated that map updates were available for Europe and North America, but only one update was free. So I spent all this money on a International GPS unit only to end up with one map being out of date. When I received the unit it had a 2006 maps for Europe and 2008 maps fo North America. There were updated versions of both maps available, but I would have to pay for one of them - the cheap one costing close to $70USD. I contacted Garmin on several different occasions and they stood by their policy of only offering one free map update. What a disappointment with this supposively good company. You buy a GPS and it doesn't even come with the latest maps. I am very disappointed.

Ron

This is a remarkable GPS, portable, easy to use, and surprisingly accurate.

There's a lot to like about this unit. The MP3 player is outstanding. It plays well enough through the built in speakers, but when coupled with the FM traffic antenna and a car radio, the sound is superb. Absolutely no static, no interference, unlike add on FM transmitters for iPOD's. If I really want to listen to music, the audible directions can be disabled.

The number of languages and voices is amazing. Arriving in France with a US voice, pronunciation of street names was hilarious. Switching to French solved that problem. I liked the ability to have english words and directions on the screen, but French spoken. So the unit would read, "take the second exit in the roundabout", but the audio would be "prend le deuxiem sortie au rond point." The spoken word gave up once in a while in Sweden, instead of really messing up a street name, the voice would spell the name. This only happened twice during travel in Italy, France and Sweden.

Ease of use, the unit does take some getting used to. Some of the settings aren't exactly obvious. And it took a bit of time to figure some things out. I really disagree with the comment in another review about changing the settings for Car, Bicycle, Pedestrian, off Road, etc. That is down right simple to change. Three presses and you are there. I frankly would hate what the Tom Tom does, ask me every time how I want to get there. You usually set this once and then never set it again.

Map detail is phenomenal. I was on a shuttle bus INSIDE Charles DeGaulle airport, taking me from my plane to the terminal. I turned on the unit and the "alley way" we were on inside the airport was listed. The entry doors were even on the map. Frankly, I've never seen a paper map with that much detail. The unit had sidewalks in a small southern suburb of Paris. The address of a friend in Sweden, where the development is two years old, was on the map. Walkways in Genoa Italy near my hotel were listed. I never saw a single street or alley anywhere I travelled in Europe that was not listed.

Direction accuracy. The Nuvi 670 never took me a wrong direction while travelling in and around Genoa, Italy; suburbs of Paris; and Stockholm, Sweden. Chicago area is a major piece of cake. Whenever I misunderstood a direction (more on that in a minute), the device simply recalculated the route. I've used so many other systems that make you feel awful about deviating from a route - Hertz neverlost is the absolute worst. Almost all of them tell you to make a U-Turn. I never heard that statement once out of this device. I made some pretty foolish errors, all my fault, and the device simply got me back on track. Stockholm was very challenging, not for the device, but for humans. There are many bridges and multilayered areas in that city. Twice I made the exact same mistake, taking a right exit instead of just staying to the right. When you see the paper map of this area, it's almost impossible to not make this mistake. Tunnels, multiple ramps, and bridges all in the same area did confound my ability to navigate.

The traffic warning system is very odd at best. In the US, no problems with this unit. It's as good as the radio or internet traffic websites, they both use the same information. In Italy, there was no traffic information. In France the service exists, I understand it is free, but the service refused to work. Sweden isn't supposed to have a traffic information service (it wasn't listed on the Garmin website), but there it was in Stockholm in all it's glory, functioning beautifullly.

The safety camera warning system is also strange. France seems to have a million of these. Fixed ones were pretty accurately warned. The system actually beeps if you exceed the published speed limit for that camera - say 90kph. The strange thing, the computer can't figure out which road you are on or which direction you are travelling. If you are on a highway and happen to cross a road that has a mobile warning, you will get say a 40kph warning on a 110kph speed limit road. Strange quirk in the software.

There's really little I wish would change in this system. I can learn to live with most of it's shortcomings. The positives far outweigh the negatives.

Is it worth this much money? Absolutely yes. In that equation I also compared the Nuvi 660 and the cost of adding European maps and the FM traffic antenna. I've tried so many times to learn how to use NeverLost, and about 10 different navigation systems in rental cars. This is so much easier and consistent.

July 8, 2009 Update: Well this unit has been passed along to number 1 son and it still works perfectly for him. I've had the 765T now for about 6 months and it works great.
A hint for anyone using Nuvi's - enter Nuvi tips and tricks into your favorite search engine. You will find a really hideous website just jammed full of great secret tips on how to better use Garmin Nuvi GPS's. Well worth the look. And by the way - purchase the nuMap lifetime subscription to the map updates. There's a NA version and an NA/Europe version available. They are so worthwhile.