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The Gay Agenda: It's Dividing the Family, the Church, and a Nation

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A voice of truth speaking from a solid understanding of scripture and the matter at stake. The heart of Floyd's message is of love, that we must fight the destruction that sin brings but show the love that Jesus had towards sinners.

Not an in-depth analysis of the biblical and theological arguments against homosexuality but a wake-up call to the slippery slope that we are falling into.

Ironically, Mr. Floyd speaks out against the extreme hatred shown by some against homosexuals, even as he furthers that same hatred with his own views. He even goes so far, on page #11, to call the issue a "war". He also claims that one must seek to speak "the truth" with "love", as though his is the only truth, and as though he does not mean any harm by expressing his views as he does.

As is typical of this sort of doublespeak, he goes on to blame the ostracism that can be suffered by gays, and the rifts torn in families of gays who come out, upon the so-called "gay agenda", instead of where it belongs--upon the divisive, alienating attitude Mr. Floyd and many others of his ilk espouse. He claims to be made "sick at heart" by the suffering caused by the hatred against homosexuals, even as he himself helps to contribute to that hatred with his views!

He has a very conservative Christian outlook upon the subject and takes a very condescending tone, as though he is gently admonishing and guiding a wayward young child who just doesn't know any better. Much as Sears and Osten do in their book "The Homosexual Agenda", Floyd attempts to misdirect and overdramatize what is happening. He does this to support his theory that there is some grand agenda being enacted by the gays. Of course in reality, those of the glbt merely wish for the same rights as anyone else.

In summary, I support Mr. Floyd's right to express his views, especially in conjunction with his faith. The problem I have with his book is how he goes about expressing those views. If he is going to use his faith and his bible as a means by which to discriminate, he should at least stick solely to such, and not muddy his point with the misdirection, misinformation, and condenscendion he has filled his book with.

I used to be a member of Ronnie Floyd's church (First Baptist of Springdale, Arkansas) back in 1995. I also served as the pianist for his Sunday school class back then. I have since moved to Texas but recently saw that Dr. Floyd had a new book entitled, "The Gay Agenda" so I purchased a copy of the book and read it in one sitting. I am a Christian and I also happen to be gay. I tried to read the book with an open mind. There were things that I agreed with in the book an things that I disagreed with. I was fairly certain of what Dr. Floyd's perspective would be regarding the issue of homosexuality. What stunned me was how Dr. Floyd took historical issues and twisted them to fit his concept that homosexuality has caused many societies to fall (see page 123). Floyd says, "The fact is, no culture in history that has embraced homosexuality has long survived. The gay lifestyle is not the way to build a healthy society." First off, the societies that he mentions (Canaan, Egypt, Assyria, Babylonia, Greece and Rome--see pg. 122) did not fall into ruin BECAUSE of homosexuality. That is a LONG stretch to assert something like that, in fact, it causes Dr. Floyd to be guilty of the very things he accuses gays of doing...stretching the facts to fit a certain agenda.
Dr. Floyd talks on page 95 about how "pro-family" fathers and mothers are busy with their daily routines: "working, taking care of children, church activities..." and are therefore at a "disadvantage" to the "pro-gay" individuals who are "married to their cause." But, I know plenty of "pro-family" gay and lesbian men and women who are ALSO raising their families, working, and yes they are even going to church. I was offended that Dr. Floyd presumed that those who support gay civil rights are not "pro-family" because that is simply not true. In fact, a lot of the people who are voicing their concerns about this issue are doing so BECAUSE of their families and the fact that they want the same rights to take care of their loved ones as everyone else has.
I did agree with Dr. Floyd on the fact that this issue simply cannot be compared to The Civil Rights Movement (see pages 85-87). I am African-American and gay too, so I speak from experience. The basic differences between the Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s and the civil rights movement for GLBT people are that gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people have the right to vote in order to help change issues--whereas Blacks did not. GLBT people are not segregated like Blacks were during the Civil Rights movement ("colored" and "Whites")...we don't have to worry about whether we can take a drink out of the same water fountain as Blacks in the 50s and 60s did, or whether we can use a public swimming pool. But the biggest difference is that a Black person cannot hide who they are...our skin color immediately gives us away, MOST gays aren't as "obvious" to the public at large as a person who is Black. So I agree with Dr. Floyd that The Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s is not the same as the one today. Yes, there are similarities because we are fighting to have the same rights as married couples have. I hope you understand what I am saying here. The gay marriage issue IS a civil rights issue, just not on the same level as The Civil Rights Movement of the 50s and 60s. The bottom line for me is this: John 3:16 says: "For God so loved the WORLD that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in Him shall NOT perish but have everlasting life." The Bible tells us that WHOSOEVER believeth in Jesus will not perish. And the Bible also tells us: "There is NO ONE righteous, not even one..."--Romans 3:10. So I choose love. I choose to show the grace and mercy of Christ. That's not "justifying" any kind of lifestyle, it's choosing compassion over hatred, mercy over self-righteousness...I believe the way to reach people is through compassion, not continually trying to judge people or condemn them. The Bible says in Matthew 7:3 "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?" Jesus Christ was the best example of love and compassion. I understand that a lot of the issues in the Bible are interpreted differently...if this were not the case then we would not have so many religious denominations in America. We have all these denominational differences because people believe differently about the way the Bible is to be interpreted etc. I do appreciate that Dr. Floyd tried to give a balanced perspective in his book about the church needing to be loving toward the GLBT community and his admittance that most of Christendom despises homosexuals (pg. 101)and that ought not be so. In closing, I want to say this: Moses was a murderer (see Exodus 2:11-14), King David was an adulterer and murderer (see 2 Samuel chapter 11), Saul (same as Paul) was a persecutor of Christians (see Acts 7:57-8:1 and Acts 9:13), Rahab was a prostitute (See Joshua chapter 2). But it is VERY clear that God used these men and women for good also. I need not go into explanation of the good deeds they did other than to say (10 commandments/Red Sea for Moses; "A man after God's own heart" for King David (see 1 Samuel 13:13-14); Paul wrote a vast portion of the New Testament; and Rahab is in the lineage of Jesus (see Matthew 1:5). Again, this is not to justify sin...but it IS to say that God can USE anyone He so chooses to use...even a homosexual. If He can use murderers and prostitutes...He can use anyone. I want to add that I DO understand that these men and women displayed a changed lifestyle...but they also sinned during their "call" from God also. I don't have time to go into all that at length. But I would be very cautious with whom I pointed the finger and called unrighteous. Remember this one thing: when Jesus was born God did not choose the high and mighty religious leaders to announce Jesus' birth to...God chose the outcast...the shepherds in the field...the ones that no one gave a second thought about. We might be wise to understand that in almost EVERY instance in the Bible, Jesus took a different path than the one that seemed obvious to everyone. We have come to equate people who are in the majority as being "right" and it just isn't the case. Just because the majority of religious people believe homosexuals are doomed to Hell doesn't make it RIGHT. Just because you can go to the Bible and throw out verses at us doesn't make you right. Even if homosexuality IS a sin...how can we be assured that everyone will be healed? People die of cancer, Alzheimer's and AIDS everyday and God didn't deliver them from that...so what about when God doesn't deliver a homosexual? (assuming you are in the group that believes it is a sin)...what then? That's why I adhere to 2 Corinthians 12:9 "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." The Lord looks at the HEART...remember that if you remember nothing else. The Lord also responds to FAITH...remember John 3:16 and the thief upon the cross. "Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right...think about such things." God's grace is sufficient.

It should come as no surprise that the reason this book averages about 2 stars here is because of those outraged by two simple words -- "gay agenda". Their average vote, 1 star, diminishes the value of this book. Check it out for yourself -- I think this book is highly underrated.

As always---because they have no choice---rather than actually debate/defend their positions, the Gay Agenda commissars seeks to silence and censor their opponents---thus proving the Agenda is exactly what the educated say it is.

Rule 1) A totalitarian idealogy will always attempt to suppress freedom of expression and the exchange of ideas.

If this book was as silly and nonsensical as the Gay Agendists say it is then why all the hissy fits and shrieking? One does not waste time on the ineffectual and unimportant.

And yet they desperately do not want anyone to even to consider reading this book. Imagine how such persons would behave if they managed to get their idealogy codified in the country's lawbooks?

Read this book and find out.

Historical note. Both the Communists--in 1922-4--and the Nazis--1930-3--allied themselves with Gay Agendist groups and used them to do their dirty work in oppressing their enemies and achieving power. Then both groups despensed with their services when they were no longer needed.

So now we have Gay Agendists on the march again and who are they working for today?

Do not be told or frightened into being told what to think. If you are interested, read this book....and others like it like AFTER THE BALL and decide for yourself but do it because it is what you want to do and not because the shrieking mob has intimidated you.

Finally a book that exposes the gay agenda for what it is, and just what a great threat to this nation's moral foundation it represents. It is a call for those who still know right from wrong to take a firm stand against this grievous threat against faith, marriage, and family. While we talk about the threat from terrorism, the war, and the state of our economy, we are ignoring a profound threat from within, as homosexuals seek to overturn every aspect of American life and insinuate their perverse lifestyle throughout all of society. Dr. Floyd is a courageous man for writing this book, and I believe it should be required reading for all Americans. (...)

The book opens with biblical scriptures inconsistent with Christianity, used to undermine the biblical condemnation of homosexuality. Solely as an example to illustrate "gay agenda" `tactics', and then left at that. Implying that questioning biblical inconsistency is worse than using those inconsistencies to write a book justifying slander and bigotry.

One hundred pages later he addresses the concern of biblical inconsistency in regard to the "infallible Holy Scripture" by explaining, and I'm paraphrasing: If you discount the biblical evil of homosexuality, then you'd also have to discount the biblical evil of murder and rape. Since we know murder and rape is wrong, we know that at least "some" of the Old Testament is "valid". In order to determine which parts are "valid" and which are not, one must refer to the New Testament. Since the New Testament doesn't approve of homosexuality then we can safely assume that homosexuality is indeed evil. No mention of course as to where in the Bible it states that his assessment of it is also flawless or how something devoid of malicious intent can be evil.

He goes on to show the media's collusive effort in this "war" to destroy family life on Earth as we know it, explaining that this insidious `gay agenda' motive is to procure "tolerance" and even worse, "acceptance". Later clarified by his observance of the "irony" lost on the gay community in wanting and promoting "tolerance", except when it comes to `tolerating' our rights being trampled on.

The assertion of being `born gay' is portrayed as another sinister `gay agenda' tactic to"Reframe the argument".

The message I got was this: All we gays who claim to be born this way are liars and if not, are choosing to be so confused we don't even realize we're choosing to be confused. It doesn't make sense to me but according to this book, if I was a heterosexual Christian, it would. That of course being simply, a choice away...

People just diss this book because they don't like its positions. This same crowd loves to smear all who disagree as 'haters'. 'Hitlers', etc., etc.
this is the hypocritical cry of those who want 'Love, Tolerance and diversity'- until its from people who disagree with them, and many or most of the time, don't really hate GBLT (GayBisexualLesbianTransgender) people just because they disagree.

Among the obvious sins that this hateful book embodies is its absolute lack of honest presentation of the converse arguments. I've grown not to expect that from the religious right, but these omissions were especially eggregious. Perhaps the only positive thing about this book is that if the "Phantom Menace" gay agenda is actually being implemented as the book warms, then our country will be a much better place when the policies are in place to protect the rights of ALL Americans.

I have a gay brother and sister, and they are exactly the same people now they were as small children -- except they've grown up to become a doctor and a respected business executive, each still with a partner they met over 30 years ago.

Their "agenda"? My sister: to heal the sick, and raise her son in an atmosphere that isn't poisonous with hate and bigotry. My brother: to lead an otherwise normal and happy life with his partner.

Sorry to spoil the horrible picture painted by the author, but I've known both these gay people for over 50 years, and they're as normal as you and I -- but thank God, NOT like the author of this book.

My brother and sister are NOT filled with hate like the author of this book, NOT trying to recruit followers with lies like the author of this book: my siblings are just simply trying to lead good lives with their loved ones and their friends (gay and straight.)

And I've met plenty of their gay friends -- again, nobody with any agenda but to live a life as normal as possible, despite the hate-filled bigots waging a cultural war against them.

The only people with an agenda that I can discern, are like the author of this book, trying to force their own distorted and hellish vision of religion on the rest of us normal human beings.