Genesis Box Set 3 (1970-1975)[13 Disc Set] [Box set, Original recording remastered]

Genesis | Format: Audio CD

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• Audio CD (November 11, 2008)
• Original Release Date: 2008
• Number of Discs: 13
• Format: Box set, Original recording remastered
• Note on Boxed Sets: During shipping, discs in boxed sets occasionally become dislodged without damage. Please examine and play these discs. If you are not completely satisfied, we'll refund or replace your purchase.
• Label: Rhino Records
• ASIN: B001EO2UJK
• Also Available in: Audio CD  |  Vinyl  |  MP3 Music
• Average Customer Review: 4.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (117 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #15,083 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

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Editorial Reviews

Rhino completes its upgrade of Genesis' catalog with a third and final 7 CD/6 DVD box spotlighting the beginning of their career with CD/DVD editions of five albums expanded with bonus audio & video, 5.1 mixes and more, plus an exclusive rarities disc. Included are CD/DVD versions of Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, plus a disc of extras.

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126 of 132 people found the following review helpful

5.0 out of 5 stars The Musical Box, Part III November 23, 2008

By Alan Caylow

Format:Audio CD

So, we finally come to it at last: the third & final Genesis box set in the band's box set trilogy. And this time, we're going all the way back to the band's beginning! "Genesis 1970-1975" is the Peter Gabriel era, the early days of the band when Phil Collins stayed behind the drumkit (or, in the case of "Trespass," wasn't even in the band yet), and Peter Gabriel was the frontman, dressing up in all of his wild, wacky costumes. Five albums included here: "Trespass," "Nursery Cryme," "Foxtrot," "Selling England By The Pound," and "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway," all remastered and remixed by producer Nick Davis, with lots of fantastic early concert footage, and insightful interviews with the various bandmembers, recorded in 2007 (NOTE: the group's 1969 debut album, "From Genesis To Revelation," is not included in the box set for legal reasons). The box set also comes with an exclusive bonus disc of rare tracks and exclusive footage, and a handsome 42-page booklet. All five Genesis albums featured here are 5-star classics in my book, and the sound quality and remixing on all of them is nothing short of superb (thank you, Nick Davis!). Like the two Genesis box sets before it, Davis has once again brought the vocals more up front, as well as some of the instrumentation, so you can now hear notes & passages played & sung that were previously buried. "The Lamb," in particular, is a whole new album! I heard stuff on this new version of "The Lamb" that I've *never* heard before (there's even a few more seconds added to Mike Rutherford's mystic strumming on "Fly On A Windshield"---I never knew the track had been edited!). The bonus disc of rarities is a real treat---most of these rare cuts have already been issued on the "Genesis Archive 1967-1975" box set, and they're all fabulous (including the phenomenal "Twilight Alehouse"), but the main attraction here is the previously-unreleased 15-minute tape called "Genesis Plays Jackson," a never-finished soundtrack the band recorded for an aborted BBC documentary about the painter Michael Jackson, and the band would later raid some of this material for "Trespass," "Nursery Cryme," and "The Lamb." It is *very* fascinating stuff to hear. And the video content on this box set is sensational, with lots of amazing vintage concert footage of Peter & the boys in action, including the priceless, rare 1973 concert film shot on the "Selling England" tour (it's about an hour long), and equally-priceless TV performances recorded in 1971, '73 and '74. And listen to this: while there is no "proper" footage included from "The Lamb" tour---regretfully, the band never filmed the "Lamb" show in it's entirety---the 5.1 DVD of "The Lamb" offers an outstanding, visual reconstruction of the concert, including the band's original slides from the show, bootleg footage, and photos. It is absolutely breathtaking to watch, and probably the closest we'll ever get to an actual film of Genesis performing "The Lamb" themselves. And the 2007 interviews with all the guys are terrific, very informative and insightful. The *only* debit I can think of about "1970-1975" is the unfortunate omission of "From Genesis To Revelation," but I won't deduct any stars from my rating for it. Besides, "From Genesis To Revelation" IS available if you want it. It's not the greatest album Genesis ever made, but it's very good and you should still get it, AND you can complete your Genesis studio-album collection with it, too. I'm thrilled beyond words---my all-time favorite band have finally been honored in a huge, huge way with these three box sets. Pick up "Genesis 1970-1975" right now, and, as Peter Gabriel sang on "Cinema Show," take a little trip back with Father Tiresias. Thank you, and long live Genesis!

80 of 89 people found the following review helpful

5.0 out of 5 stars A sound engineer's perspective December 8, 2008

By R. Duncan

Format:Audio CD

I've been a recording engineer for over 20 years and I'm also a big early Genesis fan. When I first read some of these reviews I was excited to hear good things about the over all sound quality. I then saw some negative reviews citing over compression and bad mastering. I just got the box set a few days ago and these are definitely remixes (not just remasters) and they are MUCH better overall. You will hear different vocal tracks on occasion and the vocals generally louder. The drum sounds, guitar tones, bass tones and keyboard sounds are all much improved. The thing about the original recording of these albums (especially Trespass, Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot) is they were done on a tight budget and really are very poor mixes. I think anyone who listens to the new mixes a few times and then goes back to the original recordings will realize how much better these mixes are. The DVD's are also great with just about all live footage from that era and great interviews with all band members done in 2007.

A Must Have! for any PG era Genesis fans

39 of 47 people found the following review helpful

1.0 out of 5 stars Overly compressed November 28, 2011

By avraham stoler

Format:Audio CD

About dynamic range analysis: dynamic range is the difference in volume between the softest and loudest parts of a song. In the past, records used to have a dynamic range of 12 to 14, typically. Today, possibly because of devices like IPod, the remastering engineers typically compress (or narrow) the dynamic range to values of 6 to 8 (except in classical music). The advantages and disadvantages of the practice are:

1. Advantage - narrowing the dynamic range is helpful when listening to an IPod. Otherwise, soft passages will not be heard over street and train noises while louder passages will damage your hearing.

2. Perceived (but usually not real) advantage - "narrowing the dynamic range allows one to hear details not heard otherwise." This results in the illusion that compressed recordings have more clarity. It is not so. All you need to do to hear the details you never heard before is to increase the volume. That's not a problem on a home system, and cases where the loud passages will become too loud just because you want the soft passages to be audible are rare.

3. Disadvantage - compressing the dynamic range often results in a substantial reduction in the quality of sound. This happens because part of the process of compression is to make the recording louder. If the volume is increased to such levels that are above the maximum allowed by a CD, some of the music is lost and a distortion occurs, just like "recording in the red" in cassette tape days. A sign that almost always means distortion is when the peak levels in dynamic range analysis are 0.00 for each song - the maximum allowed by CD.

4. Disadvantage - Listening to compressed music is also very tiring for the brain and results in exhaustion and the inability to listen for long periods. For further details you could check out "loudness wars" on you tube or Wikipedia.

5. Disadvantage - narrowing the dynamic range does not allow for a musical idea to be developed and led into a (loud) emotional climax and therefore takes away from the effectiveness of music.

6. Disadvantage - increasing the loudness and compressing the dynamic range of every single track such that all tracks have a maximum volume of 0.00 (the most a CD allows) distorts the balance between song volumes. There are no loud and quiet songs anymore. Everything is about the same...Can you imagine, say, "comfortably numb" and "outside the wall" from pink floyd's "the wall" played at the same volume? its a travesty.

Low dynamic range values (6-8 or so) are more suitable for IPods, while if you are listening at home on a decent system, you should aim for a DR value of 11 at least. I think its shameful that record companies do not report dynamic range details. There are two types of recordings on the market today - compressed and not compressed, and each serves a different purpose (IPod vs. home listening). The record companies are currently getting away with selling you a product without telling you which of these goals it will serve well. Demand the information as customers!

I will not be reviewing the music, simply providing the dynamic range analysis for your benefit so you can see if this album fits your listening patterns. This is widely acknowledged as a masterpiece, an opinion I agree with.

Verdict - This set is heavily compressed and not of acceptable quality for home listening. To show my point, I will present dynamic range analysis of the lamb lies down on broadway. The other cds show similar results.

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Analyzed: Genesis / The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (2008 Remaster)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR8 0.00 dB -10.22 dB 4:52 01-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
DR7 -0.01 dB -10.51 dB 2:45 02-Fly On A Windshield
DR9 -0.01 dB -12.08 dB 2:11 03-Broadway Melody Of 1974
DR9 -0.03 dB -12.21 dB 2:13 04-Cuckoo Cocoon
DR7 0.00 dB -9.63 dB 8:12 05-In The Cage
DR8 0.00 dB -11.46 dB 2:46 06-The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging
DR7 0.00 dB -9.25 dB 5:45 07-Back In N.Y.C.
DR8 -0.02 dB -12.55 dB 2:10 08-Hairless Heart
DR8 0.00 dB -9.69 dB 3:41 09-Counting Out Time
DR7 0.00 dB -10.60 dB 5:15 10-Carpet Crawlers
DR8 0.00 dB -11.57 dB 5:45 11-The Chamber Of 32 Doors
DR8 0.00 dB -10.26 dB 2:49 01-Lilywhite Lilith
DR8 0.00 dB -11.89 dB 5:17 02-The Waiting Room
DR7 0.00 dB -10.28 dB 3:17 03-Anyway
DR8 0.00 dB -10.92 dB 2:49 04-Here Come The Supernatural Anaesthetist
DR7 0.00 dB -11.03 dB 6:58 05-The Lamia
DR11 -0.06 dB -16.87 dB 3:01 06-Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats
DR8 0.00 dB -10.53 dB 8:12 07-The Colony Of Slippermen
DR10 -1.80 dB -16.23 dB 2:06 08-Ravine
DR7 0.00 dB -9.34 dB 3:32 09-The Light Dies Down On Broadway
DR7 0.00 dB -9.99 dB 4:07 10-Riding The Scree
DR7 -0.01 dB -11.74 dB 2:22 11-In The Rapids
DR7 0.00 dB -8.62 dB 4:19 12-It
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Number of tracks: 23
Official DR value: DR8

and now for an analysis of the classic records lp version:

Analyzed: Genesis / The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway [Classic Records 200g DoLP]
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR13 -1.95 dB -17.89 dB 4:50 01-The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
DR9 -4.70 dB -17.31 dB 2:42 02-Fly On A Windshield
DR13 -3.24 dB -20.94 dB 2:10 03-Broadway Melody Of 1974
DR10 -9.11 dB -22.92 dB 2:13 04-Cuckoo Cocoon
DR11 -2.86 dB -18.45 dB 8:09 05-In The Cage
DR12 -3.39 dB -19.54 dB 2:46 06-The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging
DR12 -2.47 dB -18.25 dB 5:47 07-Back In N.Y.C.
DR10 -4.75 dB -19.04 dB 2:05 08-Hairless Heart
DR13 -3.58 dB -19.26 dB 3:40 09-Counting Out Time
DR11 -2.98 dB -18.43 dB 5:13 10-The Carpet Crawlers
DR12 -3.40 dB -20.82 dB 5:41 11-The Chamber Of 32 Doors
DR11 -4.57 dB -18.52 dB 2:44 12-Lilywhite Lilith
DR11 -3.67 dB -19.30 dB 5:19 13-The Waiting Room
DR12 -1.95 dB -18.71 dB 3:16 14-Anyway
DR10 -3.93 dB -18.40 dB 2:48 15-The Supernatural Anaesthetist
DR11 -2.87 dB -20.36 dB 6:56 16-The Lamia
DR11 -8.14 dB -25.70 dB 3:06 17-Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats
DR13 -2.36 dB -18.86 dB 8:11 18-The Colony Of Slipper Men (The Arrival - A Visit To The Doktor - The Raven)
DR11 -14.44 dB -29.95 dB 2:03 19-Ravine
DR11 -3.89 dB -18.39 dB 3:31 20-The Light Dies Down On Broadway
DR10 -5.45 dB -18.87 dB 3:55 21-Riding The Scree
DR10 -4.71 dB -20.20 dB 2:20 22-In The Rapids
DR11 -5.18 dB -18.17 dB 4:20 23-it
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Number of tracks: 23
Maximum peak difference (-1.95 dB - -14.44 dB): 12.49 dB

Official DR value (Song Mode): DR11

Not only is the dynamic range compressed, but since most songs peak at maximum allowable volume, distortion is present too. In addition, the compression is strong enough to distort the balance between song volumes (note how "ravine" is about 2 decibals quieter on this cd that other songs but about 10 decibals quieter on the lp?). Finally, the dynamics and emotional peaks and lows the dramatic music of Genesis is known for are gone. A travesty, no less. This is analogous to, say, buying a cheap print in low resolution of a Van Gogh.