Okay baby boomers, we've been pretty patient with you, but enough is enough! Yes it is tragic that JFK was murdered, murder is inherently tragic. The fact that he was easily the most overrated president in US history not withstanding.
That being said, the last thing we need is another book, movie or miniseries offering us "the truth" about Kennedy. Do you think that this book, or any other, will change anything? Can you not spot profiteers when you see them?
It's time for the children of the 60's to stop living in the past and get on with their lives!
I don't know who you are but you obviously haven't read the book. I am a firm believer in the truth and until we know the truth about Kennedy's assasination our country can not heal and will continue to make mistakes in the international community. Douglass's book is so well researched and fills in so many holes and exposes so much information that had been hidden that I feel we're finally getting close to what really happened.
While I can certainly understand your frustration at us baby boomers "to stop living in the past", the reality is that the past repeats itself. Whether or not there was a conspiracy surrounding the death of JFK, we will never know. Nor will we ever know what our lives would look like now if John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. had not been murdered. For me, as a baby boomer, that is the real tragedy.
It is interesting that the people on this thread who claim to have open minds have done what they can to censor Cohen by voting that his comment "adds nothing to the discussion" and thereby getting his comment dropped off the main message board. I'm appalled that Amazon allows this
"Whether or not there was a conspiracy surrounding the death of JFK, we will never know."
Decades ago, I forget exactly when, Walter Cronkite did a special on the JFK assassination, I believe on PBS. In the hour-long program he went through the key evidence available at the time and concluded that it was a draw as to whether it was a conspiracy or not. Even that was a radical statement in those days, since everyone, as many still do, was ridiculing conspiracy theories as if conspiracies have ceased to exist since the fall of Rome or some such malarky.
But there was one key revelation during Cronkite's special. He was a smart man and knew what could air and what couldn't. (I know some are too naive to understand the meaning of that last sentence.) But here's how he got around that problem. He clearly stated that the autopsy was done by three young navy doctors, none of whom had any experience whatsoever with ballistic autopsies.
Now to anyone with his or her head on half-way straight and able to think at all without heavy prompting from someone else, in the context of probably the most important autopsy of the 20th century this could only mean a cover-up, no matter what a distraught, brand new widow was supposed to have requested. Who was president at the time? The doctors were military, at the beck and call of their commander-in-chief, weren't they? One of LBJ's mistresses has said LBJ had come to her absolutely furious the day before the assassination and told her "those bastards" (referring to JFK and his brother Robert) would not be giving him any more trouble after tomorrow.
E. Howard Hunt told his son from his death bed in a taped conversation accompanied by a diagram in his own hand that LBJ was at the top of the chain of command in the assassination plot. What more do we need? A man who was privy to the autopsy has said that the exit and entry wounds were reversed from the initial report to reduce the possibility that anyone would conclude that any shot came from the grassy knoll. Anyone knowledgeable about physical phenomena can look at the Zapruder film as I have and SEE that there was a shot from the opposite side of the book repository as Zapruder himself initially stated.
Marilyn Monroe is known to have had affairs with both Sam Giancana, capo mafioso of New Orleans, and JFK. Her death was allegedly suicide, but we know Lee Harvey Oswald's wasn't. I personally saw it live on TV. We know Jack Ruby, his killer, was heavily tied to the mafia. The CIA has recently admitted publicly that it involved the mafia in attempts to assassinate Castro among other projects.
A lot of effort has gone into attempts to debunk the intensive investigation of Jim Garrison into the assassination. Garrison was the controversial New Orleans District Attorney whose investigations turned out to be fruitless. However, no one can deny that quite a few potential witnesses he was chasing down mysteriously died, some by accident, some by apparent suicide like Marilyn Monroe. Some anti-conspiracy theorists claim that conspiracies have to be planned and executed by a relatively small number of people, but does that really apply when the CIA, the Mafia, and the U.S. vice-president are involved? We know that both the KGB and CIA had possessed untraceable means of eliminating people long before these events.
David Morales, head of CIA operations at the time, had drinking buddies who said he told them while he was drunk that he was there for both the Kennedy assassinations. Lucien Sarti was apparently the French mafia hit man from Marseille. The secret service men who normally stood behind the president as human shields were made to stand down shortly before the shooting. The video of this is still on a Youtube.com video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpPjjKdUds). Sarti, who apparently delivered the fatal shot to JFK's right temple from the grassy knoll, was killed in Mexico some years after the JFK assassination.
On PBS I saw another special a couple of years after the one by Cronkite. It consisted of a series of interviews with a former lawyer of New Orleans mafia boss Giancano's. He said he was at a meeting of underground figures, including Jimmy Hoffa, when the news came of the assassination. The lawyer said everyone cheered loudly and toasted, saying, "We did it!" The lawyer found this to be very creepy, but naturally couldn't express his opinion in this atmosphere.
I haven't read the book or even seen it. This is information available to anyone who wishes to find it. Those who insist on living in a cocoon, denying to themselves that our country has fallen into the hands of thieves and liars who provide themselves with endless federally funded corporate welfare and who influence legislation to keep money flowing out of our pockets into theirs, will not want to face these clear facts. This thread was initiated by someone who thinks this is just a matter of the past and we should just let it rest. Well, my friend, the power elements in this country who engineered that assassination are still assassinating our billfolds.
In the 1950s scientists were predicting that technology would cut our work week in half long before now. Instead, most families need at least two incomes and often way over 40-hour workweeks to make ends meet. Ask yourself why. McCain talks about Obama raising taxes as if Obama's proposal were aimed at working people instead of people like him while actually CUTTING taxes for the rest of us (at least those of us under $250,000 per year). The sad part is a lot of working people totally swallow this kind of idiotic propaganda. Instead of hearing what Obama says, they take McCain's word for what Obama is saying. What suckers!
All the liberal journalists who work for major media outlets work for a Republican-owned business (five conservative Republican men if you chase it to the top of the holding companies). These men ultimately control what doesn't get published and where the rest goes, on the front page or the bottom of Z-13. Ever see an article that was so critically newsworthy that you wondered why it wasn't on the front page headlines instead of buried in some remote corner of the paper?
This is so much slicker and more effective than outright censorship and overt control, isn't it? How about deciding to quit being their suckers? What do you think? That's why Kennedy's assassination is important...because this story is not over yet. No, not nearly.
So you really believe that Marilyn Monroe was killed mysteriously as part of the JFK conspiracy? Would you care to explain why she was silenced well over a year before the assassination?
Then you opine that Jack Ruby was sent by the CIA to silence Oswald. Let's put this wacky theory under the microscope of facts:
On the morning of November 24, 1963, Oswald was set to be transferred from Dallas Police headquarters to the Dallas County Jail. The transfer was scheduled for 10:00 am.
At 10:19 am, Ruby was at home, where he received a phone call from one of his exotic dancers. She asked Ruby if he would wire her twenty-five dollars for groceries. If Ruby was given the task of killing Oswald, why was he at home 19 minutes after Oswald's scheduled transfer?
Ruby drives to the Western Union office to wire the money. Witnesses told investigators that he appeared to be in no hurry, and made no phone call while he was there. His receipt is time-stamped 11:17 am.
Ruby leaves the Western Union office and sees a gathering crowd outside police headquarters one block away. He had no prior knowledge that Oswald was still there. He walks into the basement garage of the police building at 11:20 am. Oswald and his police escort enter the garage at 11:21 am. Ruby emerges from the crowd and shoots Oswald. In other words, a CIA hit man is calmly standing in line at the Western Union office four minutes before he guns down Oswald.
Also, when police found Ruby's car parked by the Western Union office, one of his dogs was in the car. I suppose that any good hit man takes his dachsund with him when he is sent to silence a presidential assassin.
I was born in 1976, and I 100 per cent get that the PAST IS PROLOGUE. History repeats my dear friend, over and over. You think you know it all? If you reach 100, maybe you will "get it." Age tends to wisen people up.
Educate yourself on the facts of the case...the whole case. Read David Lifton's "Best Evidence." Then give me your explanation as to why the president's wounds changed between Dallas and Bethesda. Then I'll listen to your uninformed, narrow-minded blather.
RECOMMENDED VIDEO: EVIDENCE OF REVISION. It's not really narrated like most documentaries. The only narrator is one cop-witness, now dead after several murder attempts that left him crippled but alive. (Buy or free viewing on Google Video).
But the cool stuff is not-narrated, like when Cronkite (and the rest of the TV news) is forced to retract the "Mauser" story he'd been reading about "Oswald's" weapon and required to report with a straight face that the police had been MISTAKEN for how many hours (24?) about something as basic as the brand of gun, and it was an Italian carbine after all, not a Mauser. (The bullets were not Mauser bullets, the bullets found had not been manufactured for a decade.)
The Dallas mayor Cabell stating weirdly "this is not a time for finger-pointing, everyone in America is to blame, search your hearts". This is the same words as future CIA Dir Porter Goss shortly before he was exposed (barely) for eating breakfast on 9/11 with one of the Sept 11 Paymasters (i.e. "conduits" from Pakistan, an anti-terrorism ALLY of Washington), wire transfer discovered by India and confirmed by the FBI. Nobody to blame, Mr Goss. Least of all you. Ditto Mayor Cabell.
Watching various Dallas detectives lie on camera is a hoot.
SPEAKING OF RUBY: There's a section where Ruby is on camera explaining his involvement was part of a vast conspiracy of which nobody will ever know, because it's too vast. Must hear it in Ruby's words, dashhound notwithstanding.
Part 2 begins with Jackie explaining why he was killed: for his ideas.
The President's wounds did not "change" between Parkland Hospital and Bethesda.
David Lifton's premise that the President's body was stolen off Air Force One and surgically altered to change the ballistics is one of the most laughable Kennedy conspiracy theories of all time. Even the most ardent critics of the Warren Commission dismiss Lifton's nonsense.
I AM educated on the facts of the case. That's why I know that Oswald acted alone. It is the only conclusion that can be reached with thoughtful analysis of the facts.
Bosak said: "David Lifton's premise that the President's body was stolen off Air Force One and surgically altered to change the ballistics is one of the most laughable Kennedy conspiracy theories of all time. Even the most ardent critics of the Warren Commission dismiss Lifton's nonsense." Hardly the case at all. Douglas Horne the Chief Military Analyst for the Assassination Records Review Board appointed by President Clinton believes Lifton is essentially correct. Horne was able to examine all of the autopsy evidence and reached some very different conclusions than what you say. As Horne points out the two FBI agents present at the autopsy also say the body was altered. See: http://whokilledjfk.net/horne__report.htm
Thank you for the great response. Hideous crimes against democracy will continue unless we continue to work on educating the people about what our goverment is capable of doing to great leaders. History does repeat itself. This is why we need to learn about it. thanks again.
...I wonder sometimes if the rejection of any hypothesis of conspiracy as something delusionnal by Americans is related to their not being interested in History....
My friends, check your History books, they are chockfull of real conspiracies...
Unless you believe Jules Cesar unfortunately stepped on a banana and cracked his skull...
In my own view, the denial of the official US media and part of the public regarding this is purely psychological: they just can't face the facts, and prefer to keep their head in the...sand.
I remember an article when the HSCA reached a conclusion of "probable conspiracy" (notably, but not only, based on the accoustic evidence), where the author summarized his position like this: "Well, OK there may have been 2 shooters, but it was just a coincidence of 2 lone nuts shooting JFK at the same time..."
When you read this (and I am NOT making this up: the article can be found on the web), you got the picture.....Those people are just not interested in the truth
As for the guy starting the thread, I am appaled: if you don't know your history, you have no future
Keep drinking beer and watching wrestling, everything is just fine...
RECOMMENDED VIDEO: EVIDENCE OF REVISION. It's not really narrated like most documentaries. The only narrator is one cop-witness, now dead after several murder attempts that left him crippled but alive. (Buy or free viewing on Google Video). ..............
..yes, this 5-disc set is awesome.
Really worth the price (less than 20$..)...
Maybe we should collect money and offer a set to Paul Forster and M. Cohen, so that they don't die dumb....
But as the saying goes, "ignorance is bliss".....
No wonder America is in such a bad shape, when informed citizens are replaced by gullible consumers....
Well, it would be helpful if you could provide some basis for believing your test is valid. We don't have to believe in "ALL this conspiracy garbage" to use our heads and ferret out the truth. If you think any conspiracy, no matter how well founded, is an impossibility right up front without any need for investigation, then you know nothing about history or politics (in addition to not knowing how to spell).