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51 of 64 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
The Vatican II Regime Change,
By Steve Jackson "stevejackson100atyahoocom" (New England) - See all my reviews
This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
For some reason, there is a belief shared by both conservatives and liberals, that the Roman Catholic Church is a reactionary institution, intent on squelching all dissent. John Paul II is represented as an extreme reactionary who advances Catholicism in its most traditional form. Yet what isn't so well known, is that the Roman Catholic Church underwent a cataclysmic event in the 60s: the Second Vatican Council. Although initiated to update the church in the "modern world" it was taken over by the left. One of the leaders at Vatican was John Paul II. While no one denies that there have been dramatic changes since Vatican II, Woods and Ferrara argue that these changes were a direct result of the novelties introduced by Vatican II. Woods and Ferrara outline the changes since then and show that many have little basis in pre-Vatican II teaching. As a few examples, John Paul II opposes the death penalty, doesn't know if there is anyone in hell, supports evolution, permits altar girls and women serving communion, supports the UN, and holds ecumenical confabs that welcome Voodoo priests. Some reactionary. As our authors point out, had anyone other than John Paul II does these things, he wouldn't be considered much of a conservative. Yet when John Paul does these things, the "neo-Catholics" feel obligated to support him. Not only is John Paul II something of a progressive, but also what he permits is even more shocking. For example, John Paul named Walter Kasper a bishop and then a cardinal, even though Kasper doesn't even believe that Jesus performed the "nature miracles" of the Scripture, or raised anyone from the dead. [Kasper, JESUS THE CHRIST p. 90.] Even supposed champions of orthodoxy such as Cardinal O'Connor were leftists compared to pre-Vatican II Catholicism. This book has a few flaws. It started out as a collection of articles and it could have been edited a bit better. Some of the language will strike non-Catholics as a little overblown. Nonetheless, it is one of the more eye-opening books that one could read.
68 of 89 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
A response to Mr. Likoudis,
By Way to the Right of Rush (Outside the Beltway) - See all my reviews
This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
I reply to the "review" of my book by James Likoudis. Mr. Likoudis fails to make a disclsoure he ought in fairness to have made: That he is strongly criticized in my book (co-authored with Tom Woods) for his erroneous and obfuscationist views on various aspects of the postconciliar crisis in the Church, for which he endlessly finds excuses whenever it comes to the policy decisions of Rome that have brought on the crisis.Mr. Likoudis is no "reviewer" but rather a prominent example, cited as such, of the book's very thesis: that "neo-Catholics" like himself have prolonged the post-conciliar crisis in the Church by counseling Catholics, out of false obedience, to accept the ruinous changes approved by the Vatican in the name of the Second Vatican Council, when Catholics have every right to object to the changes and to refuse to adopt them. For example, no Catholic was ever obliged to attend the New Mass. Mr. Likoudis's opinion (expressed 20 years ago in his The Pope, the Council and The Mass) that the Old Mass had been legally prohibited has since been demolished by Vatican prelates, including no less than Cardinal Ratzinger, who now concede that the Old Mass was never abrogated by Paul VI. To counter Mr. Likoudis's bogus "review" I have assigned five stars to the book. That resets the average review to reflect what truly indepedent readers may think of the work pro or con. It is the only way I can think of to counter this defect in the Amazon.com review system. Let the buyer beware that "reviewers" of products on Amazon.com are very often people with a very personal stake in the "review." I do not, of course, claim that this "review" has been posted for any other reason than to counter Mr. Likoudis's less than candid failure to disclose his adverse personal interest in the matter. Christopher A. Ferrara
37 of 48 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
A strong challenge to the Reforms following Vatican II,
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This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
Few books could be more important for concerned Catholics than this one. Woods and Ferrara present a fair and even handed critique of the abuses, novelties, and seemingly unwarranted changes to almost every aspect of Church life since Vatican II.
The Strength of this book is that it is well footnoted, and everything it purports can be verified in fact by both Church and Secular News. Woods and Ferrera hit the nail on the head when they begin and center the attack on Post Vatican II reforms on Ecumenism. Just about every misinterpretation of Vatican II, and ambiguity in the council itself has its center in Ecumenism. The authors then continue a relentless and well thought out critique of Vatican positions and non-actions since the close of Vatican II, and help show how Neo-conservatives are doing more to undermine Catholicism by feeling as though the Pope must have the benefit of the doubt when he is doing things that are scandalous and tell other bishops their actions are okay because the Pope does them too. Like the interfaith gatherings at Assisi, the authors treat this very well. If in fact it was just a gathering to pray to God Himself for peace, why in the world did the Pagans there need to go to different places to worship? Its because they were worshiping their false gods, at the Pope's behest! If that's not scandalous, the word has taken on a new term. Ferrera and Woods also deliver a strong critique of the best Neo-Conservative books and arguments defending the Novus Ordo and the status quo concerning Vatican II. The only draw backs are that Ferrera and Woods attempt to defend the Society of Pius X by exposing contradictions within the Papal Curia on the subject of whether they are in schism or not. Sadly they miss in their critique that Vatican I declares that the Pope has SUPREME AND ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY in the Church, and he did in fact say in Ecclesia Dei Adflicta that there was a schism. The Pope is the author of Canon Law, he can change it or modify it at need, because Vatican I gives him that authority. Every canonist, bishop and Cardinal in the world could disagree with the Pope, but that is irrelevant. If he says there is a schism there is a schism whether we like it or not, whether the Pope is a saint, wise, a scoundrel or a fool. That is the power of the keys. The other drawback to the book is that Woods and Ferrara coin a term that is somewhat misleading to define Neo-conservatives (mainstream Catholic conservatives who bear the butt of thier critique): Neo Catholic. The term itself suggest they are worshiping in a different Church, and believe a different set of doctrines than what Catholics have believed. This is not true with many of them, and in my opinion unfair. Perhaps however it is born out of frustration over the consistent demonization of Traditionalists by Neo-Conservatives. Apart from these two points, this book is accurate, and a well placed challenge that I am yet to see any one in the Neo-Conservative camp refute with anything other than the same rhetoric used in that self-contradicting book "The Pope, the Council, and the Mass" whose errors and self-contradictions are exposed by Woods and Ferrara. Perhaps the most important thing is that the criticisms of John Paul II are all criticisms of his personal actions and opinions, not dissent from any doctrines that the Pope has authoritatively declared. The criticisms of the Pope are done out of a spirit of love, not mean spiritedness. Nowhere do the authoris attack the motives, intentions or the soul of John Paul II, and they stay the line of Catholicism and do not stray into Sedevacantism (the belief that all Pope's after Pius XII have apostasized and are really anti-Pope's, and the Church has had no reap Pope since 1958). No self respecting Catholic who loves his Church can afford to miss this.
34 of 44 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
If I were rich...,
By A Customer
This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
If I were rich, I'd buy a copy of this book for every neo-conservative Catholic priest, theologian, religious, and layperson in the world. While liberal Catholics aren't even in the ballpark and wouldn't dream of letting dogma interfere with their libidos, neo-conservative Catholics truly do love the Church, but are so sadly ignorant about the nature and scope of papal infallibility, and the immutability of eternal truths. This book is their medicine. Every Catholic who's worthy of the name simply must come to terms with what this book presents and fight with all s/he has to "stand fast and hold the traditions" (2 Thessalonians 2:15). If you come across a Catholic who just loves praying with Protestants, Jews and Muslims, give them a copy of Pope Pius XI's "Mortalium Animos" -- and this book. If you meet another Catholic who calls the Holy Father (John Paul II as of this writing) a "conservative," give them a copy of Pope St. Pius X's "Lamentibili Sane" -- and this book. If you hear (yet another) Catholic gush on about the wonders of Vatican II, give them a copy of Pope Gregory XVI's "Mirari Vos" -- and this book. A lot of what's coming from the Vatican and our local Bishops these days isn't Catholic, as this book shows clearly; the sooner we face up to it, the healthier the Church Militant will be. Another good thing about reading this book is the emotional affirmation given to traditional Catholics who are sick, tired, and fed up with being referred to as "integrist," "schismatic," or -- I've seen this, folks -- "Protestant" (how one can be a traditional Catholic, believing every single dogma and doctrine held by the Saints, even Popes of 50 years ago, and be a "Protestant" is beyond me, but so it goes...). Drs. Wood and Ferrara give these sorts of accusations "the ole one-two" so soundly that the traditional Catholic actually feels vindicated, rather like having seen a bully get his comeuppance. Get two copies -- one for your shelf and one to loan out to every Catholic you know. When you're done reading this one, and if you want a more thorough analysis of the post-conciliar errors, read "Iota Unum" by Romano Amerio.
31 of 41 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
The Great Facade... a great read!,
By A Customer
This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
I found this book very useful in helping me understand Catholic Traditionalism, the reasons for it, and the arguments in its favour. Mr Ferrara and Dr Woods write in a very clear and convincing style, which can be greatly refreshing to those of us who are used to muddling our way through the confused and impenetrable writings issued by the Catholic Church since Vatican II. Unlike other books on the subject, Ferrara and Woods avoid the temptation to focus solely on one area of post-conciliar controversy (e.g., the Mass, religious liberty), instead they skilfully navigate the reader through the many foundational issues raised by traditionalists, and this with the help of the limp arguments raised by what they describe as 'Neo-Catholics'. Not being an American I was quite unfamiliar with Neo-Catholicism beforehand, but Ferrara and Woods give a very informative outline of the movement before going on to demonstrate just how contradictory and error-riddled it is. I found their analysis both brilliant and devastating, and it even includes great flashes of humour, many of which had me literally laughing out loud!I thoroughly recommend this book to anyone seeking a good general treatment of Catholic Traditionalism and the arguments in its favour. Because of its comprehensiveness and assessable style I believe the book would be very useful for those seeking a good thorough introduction to the whole Catholic Traditionalist movement.
2 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
Can't argue with facts,
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This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
The folks in the traditionalist movement like Chris Ferarra,Michael Davies,the Remnant,etc.simply make a better case for their position than the people who disagree with them.Period.As time goes on the stereotype of the wacko traditionalist keeps fading more and more.You can debate all you want about how to "interpret Vatican II in light of tradition."The fact of the matter is that the reforms of the Church have been a disaster.Even our current pope who was a liberal back in the 1960s seems to have become much more traditional minded in recent years.In fact lately he seems to have more in common with Archbishop Lefebvre than people would like to admit.This book is a good read.It's not perfect.The Wanderer,EWTN,and a lot of the other "neo-Catholics" are better Catholics than the author likes to give them credit for.But the basic message of the book is sound.Overall I do reccomend it.
Frank Cook Feeding Hills MA
21 of 33 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
The Great Facade: well done, Ferrara & Woods,
By Kenneth Lieblich (Vancouver, Canada) - See all my reviews
This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
An excellent book, and one worth reading for two important reasons: not only does it comprehensively and lucidly address many of the contemporary problems of the Church (to the benefit of Catholics who are already familiar with these issues), but it also serves as an excellent guide for Catholics who are unaware of or unclear about these problems. I live in Canada, which has many more Roman Catholics per capita than the United States. In this sense, the need for this book north of the 49th parallel is even more urgent. I commend Christopher Ferrara and Thomas Woods for their work, and I thank God that I live in an archdiocese which provides the Tridentine mass!
1 of 2 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars
well worth it,
By Charlie (MAPLEWOOD, MN, US) - See all my reviews
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Very educational and well written. Well documented and clear to understand. I am very glad I bought this book.
49 of 79 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Interesting data, some dubious positions,
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This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
"The Great Facade" purports to be an expose of what has really been going on in the Catholic Church since Vatican II. Rejecting sedevacantism, its authors forcefully deny that the conciliar Popes have been heretics, since they do not seem to be guilty of any "obstinate post-baptismal denial or doubt of an article of divine and Catholic faith" (p12.) However, being pillars of The Remnant, a magazine that belongs to the hardest core of Catholic traditionalism, they denounce alleged "conservatives" as "right-wing liberals" who, by focusing their defense on a handful of essential doctrines, have tragically negotiated away an enormous amount of so-called "non-essentials", thereby letting the Church destroy its own immune system.
Ferrara and Woods' thesis, therefore, is that the Conciliar Chuch is not dead, it merely has AIDS : it is still the Catholic Church, since none of the "articles of divine and Catholic faith" have been rejected, but it is doing such a thorough job of self-destruction with the liturgical reform, the oecumenical movement and inter-religious dialogue that it has become necessary for true Catholics to "resist it to the face" and urge a "total restoration of the ecclesiastical and apostolic traditions ... and a return ... to the uncompromising Scholastic clarity and vigor of the preconciliar Magisterium" (p26.) This whole position rests on the belief that the "postconciliar novelties" have failed to "rise to the level of formal, binding doctrine", thereby stopping short of heresy, but have merely gnawed away at "non-propositional" traditions. Heresy, say the authors, "is a propositional offense." Therefore, so long as you have not "declared" anything and have merely misbehaved, which is what they hold the Conciliar Church to have been doing, you cannot be guilty of it. This, I think, is a half truth. Orthodoxy implies orthopraxy, and conduct itself may be a sure sign of heresy. A friend of mine once told me that the Conciliar Church no longer believed in the real presence. This sounded extreme to me, for I have heard few explicit denials of this doctrine from Church officials (for instance, a priest from the Netherlands once said he did not participate in processions because he could not see the point of "walking behind a piece of bread.") But then my friend said : "Just look at the way they treat the Host." That made me think. And if you do not find communion in the hand blatant enough, the authors of the book themselves have very good anecdotes about the way hosts are dealt with during the World Youth Days (p389.) Another problem I have with the book is that it is not always fair to its opponents. For instance, quoting Ratzinger as saying that "Paul teaches not the resurrection of physical bodies but of persons" (p270), Ferrara and Woods launch into an indignant defense of the Catholic doctrine of bodily resurrection, as if Ratzinger had just denied it, while it seemed to me he had just been saying that Resurrection Day would not be a remake of "Dawn of the Dead", that we would not be zombies or revivified meat, but true persons, i.e. minds integrated to bodies. Third, I was also appalled by the two or three pages attacking the doctrine of evolution and the idea that modern humans are bodily descendants of pre-sapiens hominids. The authors suddenly turn sarcastic and very unpleasant towards the defenders of theistic evolution, mocking the "grotesquery that Adam (and Eve) had animal parents- which would mean that Christ himself is descended from animals" (p270.) I find this attitude irresponsible in the extreme, all the more so as Mr Woods, whom I greatly respect as an economist and an historian of ideas, has written articles condemning the social doctrine of the Church in the name of Austrian economics, and thus seems to respect the authority of science within its own sphere. I for one see nothing wrong with Jesus Christ being descended from australopithecines. After all, wasn't he like us in everything but sin ? It might seem unfair of a reviewer to condemn a whole book for a mere three pages that might be considered peripheral to its main thesis. However, I am beginning to realize that virtually all the traditionalists I know of hold to Ussher-like chronologies and consider Adam to have been created from inanimate matter around 4000 BC, with the Deluge being a complete drowning of the globe in water. I do not know if this is what Ferrara and Woods actually believe, but this is certainly what their attacks on paleoanthropology seem to entail : if Adam did not have animal parents, and he was the first human, where could he possibly have come from, except a literal lump of clay? And this, I think, is not only anti-scientific, but anti-Catholic in its dogmatic self-certainty, since even such an orthodox , pre-Conciliar work as Ludwig Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" leaves open the position Ferrara and Woods laugh at. So is it truly the "preconciliar Magisterium" they want Catholics to return to, or some sinister collection of doctrines of their own concoction ? To conclude, "The Great Facade" has failed to convince me that the Conciliar Church is historically continuous with the Catholic Church, though it has reinforced my belief that it has done a lot of evil ; and it has made me even more uncomfortable with Catholic traditionalism, as I realize its most vocal defenders are guilty of the same denial of reality as their Protestant counterparts- including those who, like Thomas Woods, are capable of perfectly rational thinking in their own scientific fields.
32 of 52 people found the following review helpful:
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To Conservative Catholics,
By James (Atlanta, Georgia) - See all my reviews
This review is from: The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church (Paperback)
If you are a Conservative Catholic who has just witnessed another clown Mass, or had to put up with a "homily" from Sr. Snakebite, or if you are sick of seeing laypersons handling the True Presence with their grubby hands, here is my advise: buy this book, and try a traditional Roman Rite Mass (Tridentine). Try to go to an FSSP Mass, but you can go to an SPX also. Do some research on the web and you will see that you can attend an SPX Mass and fulfill your Sunday obligation - it is not a sin to attend. As for the bad review from the neo-Catholic, please consider this statement which the Church has decreed heretical: "17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. (Condemned in the Syllabus of Errors)". Does JPII still condemn this? If not, then he is in error.
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