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Initial post: Jan 10, 2006 2:46:01 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 9, 2006 9:35:05 AM PDT
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Roger Waite says:
I think "Peak Oil" IS bunkum. "Peak EASY Oil" seems to be very true! Deep drilling in the Ukraine has turned the former USSR from an oil importing nation(s) in the 50's into the worlds 4th largest oil exporter. I recommend the book "Black Oil: Stranglehold" by Corsi & Smith. Let's copy success instead of following an unproven theory that says "when it's gone, it's gone". Stop right there before you panic, and re-enter that well and drill it deeper. Let the Oil companies spend Our hard earned money drilling deeper. "Deep Oil" IS a theory that actually has some proof going for it!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 19, 2006 10:25:47 AM PDT
Dante says:
When you say deep, what do you mean? I understand there is an oil window from about 7,500 feet to 1,500 feet, below which you get methane, if anything. Why not pay attention to M. King Hubbert and the geologists who are familiar with what's really in the ground? When it's gone is irrelevant. What is relevant is peak. Peak means that growth is impossible; decline is inevitable.

In reply to an earlier post on May 5, 2006 12:00:55 PM PDT
"Let's copy success..." Are you thinking? Do you know what you are saying?
An "unproven theory."

Maybe you should join the Flat Earth Society.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 11, 2006 11:50:33 PM PDT
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Roger, what Big Oil Company do you work for, Exxon, BP, Arco? You sound like one of their TV commercials I see now and spouting hot air on how they care for the environment and they are spending millions on finding future fuel sources, blah, blah, blah. Total PR fluff to dupe the public into thinking everything will be peachy keen and they are doing the right thing. Good thing they are making their billions now off the general public, because it WILL run out in time. Wake up Roger, even drilling "deeper" won't make a difference.

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 19, 2006 3:19:56 AM PDT
jazzfan says:
It's a waste of time to take such a pessimistic view of things. Granted there is a finite amount of 'fossil fuels' and it's foolish to waste what might be a precious future resource just to drive around. But I've seen countless energy ideas vanish into a black hole, and the only conspiracy theory I ascribe to is that big oil has and will continue to buy out any competing technology.

Hopefully, the budding hydrogen designs by Honda and others will be different. The vehicles will be very expensive, about $100k each I've read, but in time that price will drop. Too bad Warren Buffett didn't spend his money to underwrite that program - it might have done some actual good. The Honda will even be home-fueled by a device that uses natural gas to produce hydrogen, both as fuel for the car and to provide home electricity and heating.

There've been doomsayers for hundreds of years and somehow we keep plugging along and hopefully we'll continue to do so. Books like this are not helpful to that process.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 22, 2006 11:21:54 AM PST
M. Garske says:
Oh come now 'Roger'. I think we could ALL do with an attitude and actions that conserve and prevent the outcomes that we all know are possible with the end of peak oil production. Why on earth would you seemingly be against sensible advice urging people to simply THINK? The burning of fossil fuels has very obvious detrements to our world. If you don't believe it try burning some coal inside of your living room and see what happens.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 29, 2007 4:53:16 PM PST
C. Bell says:
Roger, you obviously haven't read enough - the term "peak oil" ACTUALLY MEANS/REFERS TO "the peak of easy oil" - the point at which oil starts to become harder and more expensive to pump out/produce because half of it has already been extracted (read up on oil extraction and the current status of world oil fields to understand why and how this happens) - which you would know if you were more educated on this issue. If you want others to pay any real attention to your opinions or recommendations, put out some effort to make yourself better informed.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 23, 2007 8:03:17 AM PDT
Scott says:
The following Senate and Congressional realplayer files may take a minute wait before stating to playing.

US Senate Committee Hearing on Peak Oil

1 Senator Richard G. Lugar Opening Remarks

http://media.globalpublicmedia.com/RAM/2005/11/lugar_opening_remarks.ram

2 James R. Schlesinger Testimony

http://media.globalpublicmedia.com/RAM/2005/11/schlesinger_testimony.ram

3 R. James Woolsey Testimony

http://media.globalpublicmedia.com/RAM/2005/11/woolsey_testimony.ram

4 Questions and Answer Session

http://media.globalpublicmedia.com/RAM/2005/11/questionsandanswers.ram

(Source: http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/events/574)


The Congressional Committee on Energy and Commerce

Understanding the Peak Oil Theory

Subcommittee on Energy and Air Quality

December 7, 2005

Joe Barton, Roscoe Bartlett, Dr Robert L. Hirsch: "think risk", et al

http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/108/ram/12072005_eaq.ram
(Source: http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/108/Hearings/12072005hearing1733/hearing.htm)


Published on 18 Jan 2007 by Falls Church News-Press. Archived on 17 Jan 2007.

The peak oil crisis: Congressional hearings - round #2

by Tom Whipple http://energybulletin.net/24871.html



Dr Albert Bartlett's video referred as to by Roscoe Bartlett

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2376190597731898896&q=dr+albert+bartlett&hl=en


Dr Robert L. Hirsch:

(Hirsch Report)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hirsch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report

http://www.nyswda.org/LegPosition/HirschReport.htm

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/others/pdf/Oil_Peaking_NETL.pdf

http://www.globalpublicmedia.com/interviews/615


http://www.theoildrum.com/uploads/44/oil_discovery_trend.gif


Matt Simmons:

Simmons' research was referenced in the Senate hearing)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-429585738009344102

http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/files/ASPO-Boston%20BW.pdf

The above pdf file is the slide to the above video.



Feb 1,'07 Bloomberg interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IwtAQzrfiw



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1196559543206316765

Bill Reinert:

Toyota Advanced Vehicle engineer and spokesman Bill Reinert speaks candidly about the challenges -- technically and socially -- of building greener cars and the use of ethanol.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2558276641904882805


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPB6uHm2p_Q


The Long Emergency

Interview with James Howard Kunstler on the day-to-day impact to society of peak oil

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4878856748297910182


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Suburbia

The Rainwater Prophecy
Richard Rainwater made billions by knowing how to PROFIT FROM A CRISIS. Now he foresees the biggest one yet.
By OLIVER RYAN
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/12/26/8364646/

The End of Suburbia
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8900999015537576511&q=the+end+of+suburbia

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 10, 2008 8:30:20 AM PST
"uses natural gas" is a problem. Natural gas is peaking, too. Plus how efficient is it to use find, produce, and deliver natural gas to make hydrogen?

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 7, 2008 7:32:06 PM PDT
You are correct. The oil window is very specific around the world. M. King Hubbert shook up the world of the geologist and the oil business in general. As with water, which I write about, the general public is not paying much attention to the experts. They don't believe it is real, but it is.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 19, 2008 10:32:59 PM PDT
You are missing the point my friend, for the argument of "something will come along to replace oil" is dealt with extensively in the book. Will hydrogen power the diesel trucks that mine and transport the tons of ore to obtain metals for hydrogen cars from teh chassis to the wiring? Will Hydrogren be turned into the myriad of plastics cars contain? Will Hydrogren power plants be made to supply energy to aluminum smelters? The proliferation of plastics and metals and polymers and alloys and even producing Hyrdrogen itself is fueled by oil. Our entire system is dependent on oil and coal, and gasoline is the minority of what a barrel of oil is actually used for in our society.

In order to see the sham in things like hydrogen cars, one only has to look further into the future. When oil then coal run out 300 years from now, where will we get the tremndous amounts of electricity it takes to produce hydrogen gas? Its not doom and gloom- its a long emergency that individuals and even governments can do little to prepare for without major, fundamental shifts in their behaviors.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 24, 2009 3:58:58 AM PDT
Troy Hanson says:
Yes, there have been doomsayers for hundreds of years. But civilization has only been industrialized for a little over a century. Nobody is saying that humanity is going to die off. But oil drying up, and our century of good times coming to an end? That's a reality.

It amazes me, when people talk about these wonderful new hydrogen,biofuel,"clean coal",solar, etc. technologies, how very little they know about them. There are ZERO options right now for alternative energies that have the possibility for scale that the world requires in 2009. Wishing for technology to save the day (or the century, really), is not going to make it happen.

It's not just despair and pessimism. It's realizing that, realistically, our only option is to cut back on energy use. The sooner we start, the easier it will be. Those who refuse to adapt will be in trouble when the lights go out.

Posted on Apr 26, 2011 10:32:08 PM PDT
I think it's amusing when we refer to ourselves as primates in relation to our order in the eco-system, our behaviour is more closely related to a virus. When all the corporate doctrine of supply and demand has faded into the distant past our place on earth will have be sorted by nature herself.
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