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The Histories, Revised (Penguin Classics)

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By an costly combination of circumstances, I wound up recently linking three different translations in reading through Herodotus. Here's a comparative review of each, which I'm posting for each work.

1. Translation by G.C. Macaulay and revised throughout by Donald Lateiner; published by Barnes and Noble Classics in 2004, but the Macaulay translation is from around 1890.

I started with this one, attracted by the extensive introduction by Donald Lateiner. That intro was solid and revealed much that I hadn't been aware of. But the translation, even after Lateiner's revisions, is awkward and stilted. Many of the pronoun references are confusing, making it difficult to follow the narrative thread.

Here's about half of a single sentence: "Now Miltiades son of Kimon had thus taken possession of Lemnos:--After the Pelasgians had been cast out of Attica by the Athenians, whether justly or unjustly,--for about this I cannot tell except the things reported, which are these:--Hecataios on the one hand, the son of Hegesander, said in his history that it was done unjustly: for he said that when the Athenians saw the land which extends below Hymettos, which they had themselves given them to dwell in, as payment for the wall built round the Acropolis in former times, when the Athenians, I say, saw that the land was made good by cultivation, which before was bad or worthless, they were seized with jealousy and with longing to possess the land, and so drove them out, not alleging any other pretext: ..."

The footnotes are generally helpful, although many only state the obvious. They are all integrated with the text, making it unnecessary to keep paging to the back. The text is followed by some interesting additions: A "Repertory" of English translations, a list of comments and works "inspired" by Herodotus, further "comments and questions", an extensive bibliography, and two good Indices with that of proper names separate from the general index.

Maps: There are eight, all of which appear to be from the original Macaulay publication. In any case, they do not appear to be based on the most recent cartography. The first, more extensive maps are helpful, but, to my mind, the others are crudely drawn and lack important detail. Still, I'd give this edition a good rating for maps, since it turns out that eight is a comparatively generous serving.

2. Translation by Aubrey de Selincourt in 1954; revised by John Marincola in 1972, 1996, and 2003; published by Penguin Classics.

Disappointed by the Macaulay/Lateiner translation, I picked this one up on the basis of the strong reputation of Penguin Classics. It has another good introduction, followed by a limited bibliography. The translation itself is much easier to digest.

Here's how it renders the same passage as above: "The events which led to Miltiades' capture of Lemnos were as follows. The Athenians had forced certain Pelasgians to leave Attica. Whether or not they were justified in doing this is not clear; all I can offer are the two contradictory accounts, that of the Athenians themselves, on the one side, and of Hecataeus the son of Hegesander on the other. Hecataeus in his History maintains that the Athenians were in the wrong. According to him, they had given the Pelasgians in payment for building the wall round the Acropolis a tract of land, of poor quality and in bad condition, at the foot of Mt Hymettus; the Pelasgians had improved the land, and when the Athenians saw it changed out of recognition and in first-rate order, they grudged the gift and longed to take it back, until without further justification they forcibly ejected the occupants."

The footnotes, which are more extensive and informative than Lateiner's, are unfortunately all gathered as endnotes, necessitating frequent paging back and forth. There's a brief Glossary, which is far from adequate. A decent Index closes the edition.

Maps: There are only four, gathered together at the front. None of the battle sites are represented. The maps are well-drawn, but sacrifice detail for clarity. This was this edition's weakest aspect. It also lacks the many extras provided by Lateiner.

3. Translation by David Grene; published by the University of Chicago Press, 1987

A friend who owns a used book store provided this in time for the last 2 books of The History. There's a long Introduction, with a deeper focus than the others. Grene says this about his translation: "The English in which Herodotus comes before us should be direct, powerful, and clear but also, I think, a little odd." I found this to be a worthy approach and one which Grene achieves in practice, with little loss of clarity.

Here's that same passage: "Now this is the story of how Miltiades took Lemnos. The Pelasgians had been driven out of Attica by the Athenians--whether justly or otherwise I cannot say, only that Hecataeus, son of Hegisander, mentions it in his account and says that it was unjustly; for, he says, the Athenians had given the Pelasgians a piece of land to live in, under Hymettus, in payment for the wall that was at one time drawn around the Acropolis; and when the Athenians saw this place, which had before been very poor and worthless, now well tilled, they were seized with envy and longing to possess it and drove the Pelasgians out, urging no other pretext against them."

Grene has both footnotes and endnotes, the latter being longer and applicable to whole sections. There is a good Index that also attempts to provide explanatory material. That was a good idea, but it's applied somewhat randomly and was thus more frustrating than helpful.

Maps: There are 4 maps at the end and an additional 4 within the text. Of the 3 editions, this is the only one to include a map of Xerxes' route, but it has a major error. It also has the best map of Ionia.

I'd recommend Grene on the strength of his translation. But Lateiner has the best additional material. None of the three has sufficient maps for anyone who, like I, gets hung up on the many unfamiliar place names in Herodotus. You'll need a companion book for a better understanding of the geography; I haven't found an ideal solution, but both Wars of the Ancient Greeks by Victor Davis Hanson and The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece were helpful.

The Histories is commonly thought of as the classic chronicle of the great 5th century BCE wars between the underdog confederacy of Greek city-states and the mighty Persian Empire. To the modern reader of military history, this implies an overriding focus on causes, strategy and tactics as well as detailed, extensive descriptions of pivotal battles. Herodotus, commonly referred to as the "father of history," takes a much broader approach with his work. While he does cover the heroic battles of Marathon, Thermopylae, Salamis and Plateau, their treatment is surprisingly shallow, with the bulk of the book dedicated to narration of the gathering storm of Persian power and related expository coverage of the many lands, nations and peoples, intrigues, power struggles and heroic achievements of classical times. Contemporary expectations aside, this is a fascinating book, consistently entertaining and, with proper attention to editor John Marincola's notes, highly educational.

Herodotus covers a remarkable swath of time and space, ranging from Egyptian pharaohs from c. 3000 BCE to the final expulsion of the Persians from European soil in 479 BCE and from Libya in the west to India in the south to central Asia in the east and Thrace in the north. His recurrent thematic elements include justice through vengeance, the contrast between free and enslaved peoples, the power of the gods as expressed through oracles, the constantly shifting fortunes of mankind and the disastrous consequences of arrogance and excessive pride.

Herodotus has been described elsewhere as the world's first tourist, a reflection of his apparently wide travel, fascination with other cultures and careful reporting of wondrous facts from the far corners of the world. His story of the primary conflict is frequently interrupted by discussions of the customs of numerous tribes and peoples. Through these interludes we learn that the Persians get drunk to discuss all important decisions, the Lydians prostitute their daughters to raise money for dowries, the Babylonians bury their dead in honey, the Egyptians bathe in cold water four times per day, the Scythians drink the blood of the first man they kill and the Gyzantes paint themselves red and eat monkeys.

Despite his "father of history" title, Herodotus retains several characteristics of earlier oral and written taletellers, including imagined dialogue to lend drama and human texture to events. He is also, whether from poor sources or conscious guesswork, frequently inaccurate in his depictions. To assist the reader in separating fact from fiction and illuminating those issues where scholars disagree, Marincola has in this Penguin Classics edition added an explanatory Introduction and extensive end-notes (627 in total). Reading the notes definitely disrupts the flow of the story but I found them essential to reading The Histories as anything more than a work of fiction.

While the Aubrey De Selincourt translation is extremely readable and, as noted above, the Marincola additions are immensely helpful, this edition suffers from a paucity of good maps. The four that are included are very helpful in keeping track of the large number of no longer existing states and peoples and their geographic relation to each other and to natural landmarks. However, there are numerous cities referenced in the text yet not shown on the maps. More significantly, there are no maps to show in detail the settings of the major battles. This omission, combined with Herodotus' rather sketchy rendering, makes it difficult to holistically visualize the battles.

Notwithstanding these relatively minor issues, The Histories is highly recommended. It is impossible to read without increasing one's recognition of our heritage of rampant, pervasive superstition and lives lived under the constant threat of violence and deepening one's appreciation of the tenuous nature of liberty.

Well, Herodotus didn't say it, but he's famous for relating Solon's words to Croesus in this book-- and many other words besides. Everyone should read this look at a world long dead, brought gloriously alive by the brilliant Herodotus. If you've never taken "the long view" before, you'll soon see that a lot went on before you were born (and a lot, no doubt, is yet to happen). Civilizations created and conquered, Gods worshipped and forgotten-- it reads like fiction or fantasy, but it is not: it's as close as Herodotus could get to telling the absolute truth as he saw it (and he saw a lot).

Some "classics" are hard to slog through and appreciate. This is not one of them. Read! Enjoy!

What more could be said above "father of history?" I will therefore limit my comment to this particular volume, the Penquin Classic. The writing is flowing and clear, and though I am not a greek scholar, it seems to convey the "feel" of what one would imagine from Herodotus. The notes at the end along with the additional material such as the structural and chronological outlines are very helpful in keeping track of the dates and the people in context. The only addition I would make is a few more detailed maps which would help with geographical context of the events and places. What I like about this and other Penguin Classics though is that the maps are consolidated into one place where they can easily be referred to throughout the reading. The maps do at least include the general maps of the Greek and Persian empires. All in all, a wonderful and afordable volume that will server as a great resource for enjoyment reading, research, and reference.

Few things are eternal. One is this translation and text.

Herodotus (born 490-480 BC in Halicarnassus - modern Bodrum) opens with "In this book, as a result of my inquiries into history, I hope to do two things: to preserve the memory of the past by putting on record the astonishing achievements both of our own and of the Asiatic peoples; secondly and more particularly, to show how the two races came into conflict."

This was an ambitious goal, given the crisis of Persian invasions that resulted in the haphazard and ultimately heroic unification of Hellenes for a brief period against Persian `barbarians.'

The text proceeds innocuously as if a 5C BC travel guide replete with gossip and speculation on everything known to the author. This is invaluable as a contemporary view of the ancient world. But the conclusion (from Book Seven) is unique and as riveting as the most popular fiction.

Herodotus, like Homer and Thucydides, is a foundation of civilization as we know it.

If you can get into the groove of this book and read it as if it were as interesting and fast paced as these new movies that come out, you are in for a great time.

Herodotus is called "The Father of History", but this book shows that he also sowed the first seeds of Anthropology.

If you pay attention while reading this book, you will certainly read some interesting things. I think that it was interesting to read about Scythians smoking marijuana 2500 years ago, or about how certain hallowed monks lived in the Himalayas with Yeti...

The Persian invasion is amazing to read just because Greece was a pimple on a map, and they some sort of way managed to resist the strongest empire that the world had seen up to that point.

This book is great fun =)

This book is one of mankind's most important intellectual treasures. Although its nominal focus is the rise of the Persian empire and its ferocious, myth-inspiring collision with the Greeks during the 6th and 5th Centuries BC, it also gives us an excellent look at many other nations that inhabited the lands from Africa to India. Through many leisurely and generally pleasant digressions, Herodotus describes (1) their rulers and their forms of government, (2) their wars and their social and trade relationships, (3) their beliefs, rituals and customs, (4) their important buildings and engineering achievements, and (5) their migrations and explorations, including an account of the first circumnavigation of Africa. Because of its exceptional intellectual richness, this book was revered both by the ancients for whom it was written and by the many intervening generations who carefully preserved it for us. It is a priceless legacy that any thoughtful modern reader will enjoy.

But Herodotus's book and our translations of it are two different things, since a translation, depending on its mix of virtues and vices, can either obscure the original or present it almost transparently, as through a window. Fortunately, this translation by Aubrey de Selincourt is outstanding in every respect. A work of art in its own right, it is accurate, complete, succinct and clear. It was a great pleasure to read, and I am unaware of any better translation for modern readers.

Sadly, this superb combination of ancient book and modern translation is spoiled by John Marincola's Introduction and Notes. Their many defects rise almost to the level of a literary crime, since they exemplify almost every vice that a good annotator would avoid. They are superficial, narrowly conceived, gratuitously speculative, offensively arrogant, and unbearably intrusive. Again and again, they illustrate poor judgment and a breathtaking lack of scholarly temperament. Worse, they betray a deep failure to understand Herodotus, the world he lived in, and the importance of this book, a priceless treasure he left behind him.

In the final analysis, prospective readers face a difficult choice. Should they purchase this superb translation and endure the distracting and often annoying nonsense that Marincola will hurl at them from every page? Or should they settle for another, less enjoyable translation that is better annotated? If I had it to do over again, I would avoid Marincola at all costs. Fortunately, Oxford World Classics, Loeb Classics (Harvard University Press), and many other publishers provide good alternatives.

This is a very readable translation of Herodotus' masterpiece and well worth your time. My only complaint about this edition is that the layout of maps and endnotes requires constant flipping back and forth while you're reading (use three bookmarks to keep track of where you are). I'd like to see a "Landmark Herodotus" like the "Landmark Thucydides" by Strassler that included maps and footnotes with the body of the text, but until it comes out, I'd personally recommend this translation over some of the others I've seen, not because the others are bad, but because this one seems more colloquial and easier to follow. As for the History itself, you'll find it absorbing and entertaining once you get used to Herodotus' style. Highly recommended.

Ancient World Review

Herodotus deserves his title "Father of History." He could also properly be called the "Father of Travelogues" as well, as well over half of the work is Herodotus' description of the known world, from both first-hand observation and hearsay. The rest is a chronicle of events in western Europe and the Near East, culminating in the Greek counter-offensive against Persia following the battle of Salamis. The narrative is full of digressions and tangents to delight all but the most meticulous readers, and Herodotus occasionally apologizes to them for the constant diversions.

Herodotus gives a remarkably well balanced account of events, recognizing the motivations and merits of all but a few Greek cities who sided with Persia (Thebes, for example, does not fare well under Herodotus' stylus). True, he takes some digs at Sparta for being obsessed with festivals, but in the event Sparta's bravery is praised no less than Athens'. Herodotus was writing as the Peloponnesian War was breaking out, and his declaration that Athens and Sparta together are unbeatable is poignant in light of Greece's impending loss of freedom, a freedom that would not be restored for over two thousand years.

Ultimately, The Histories is that best of classics, one that can be enjoyed by all, not just those with an interest in Ancient Greece. With all of the digressions, there is truly something in here for everyone.

Herodotus' Histories have come down to us after two and a half millennia for a reason: they're entertaining and hard to ignore. Whereas Thucydides and Polybius, among many other BCE historians, took it upon themselves to write a specific narrative, Herodotus showed his curiosity for knowledge of all things by writing down everything he could about the peoples he spoke of. For example, he gives a descriptive account of the Nile and its animals when he gives a narrative of events in Egypt, adding many things that modern historians would leave to the fields of biology, geography, religion, or just plain superstitious rumor. He says it best himself: "My business is to record what people say, but I am by no means bound to believe it - and that may be taken to apply to this book as a whole."

Even if Herodotus' stories and observations are ridiculous by today's standards, they are no less amusing and no less insightful into what the Greeks thought at his time.

The books are split up basically that Book I is the account of Cyrus the Persian king, Books II through IV are events around the Mediterranean and the reign of King Darius of Persia, and Books V through IX are the account of the war between Greece and Persia that will be of particular interest to fans of the movie 300 or of Sparta/Thermopylae in general. Whether or not this is your reason for picking up the book, though, I would recommend it for anyone with an interest in history because this is where it all began in Europe, and it's not the least bit dry.