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Initial post: Aug 24, 2006 4:33:41 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Aug 25, 2006 8:45:47 PM PDT
Mary Parker says:
I agree with you. My parents were Native Americans of 2 different tribes going back generations. I also have Turkish, Greek, French and Spanish ancestry within 52 generations. The government needs to honor its agreements with Native Americans and they would not have to build these casinos that people mock. I think Native Americans should get the same opportunities at a good life that every other American has a chance to live. Those on the "reservations" don't get that chanced. My dad worked his behind off for people who treated him worse than a dog or a slave. Both sides of my family have a strong tradition of service to this nation. I can count 8 who served and sacrificed health or life in wars in just two generations and that's a low count. We serve so the rich and privileged can get an education and keep their hands clean. We get barely nothing in return.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2006 12:50:58 PM PDT
Sgt. Rock says:
Very good post. Many people forget that the Pilgrims were the first 'illegal aliens' and if it hadn't been for the 'natives' welcoming and helping them, they would have died during their first winter.
All this makes me recall the saying: "No good deed goes unpunished."

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 30, 2006 3:15:38 PM PDT
IYAAYAS_80 says:
Come off it...where do you think the Indians came from to begin with? The entire planet has been settled and resettled by different groups and usually by war. Like it or not...it is happening again. Sit back and watch if you want and you will end up like your forefathers...

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 30, 2006 7:09:30 PM PDT
Pamela W says:
American Indians practiced slavery on each other long before Columbus and Europeans arrived. For several tribes in the American northwest, slaves comprised between 10 and 15 percent of the population. The Cherokee employed "slave catchers" to retrieve wounded combatants from other tribes, although the Cherokee usually preferred to kill enemies rather than take them captive. And many millions of Whites have a small amount of Native American because there was a lot more voluntary intermarriage occuring than people today realize.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2006 1:28:08 PM PDT
Michael Ramirez once did an excellent political cartoon that made the analogy between the pilgrims and illegal immigration.

I have tried to dig up that cartoon on the net but haven't had any luck so far.

Anyway, as far as I can recall, it shows these two Native Americans watching as the Mayflower sails in, and one of them says something like: "Do you really think it is a good idea to welcome them".

And the other says something like "Why not. After all, they pose no real threat"

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2006 1:32:50 PM PDT
I would just say you ought to make it clear that you only speak for yourself, you don't speak for all Native Americans.

There are many Native Americans that are recognizing the harm illegal immigration is doing to their communities, and are speaking out, with some joining the Minutemen.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your post strikes me as implying that you speak for Native Americans, which you do not, you speak for yourself and no one else.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2006 1:35:31 PM PDT
And another thing, Nancy Colella:

If you feel someone has "spewed hate", then confront them directly on the specific statement they made that you consider hate.

I am tired of this Joe McCarthy style character assassination that some seem to feel is acceptable to engage in.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 5, 2006 11:44:58 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 6, 2006 8:45:28 AM PDT
Ian says:
Lance,
To bring some support to your post, Tom Tancredo, in his book "In Mortal Danger", discussed the tragedy of the Tohono O'odham reservation in Arizona, and what illegal traffic has done to it:

"Homes burglarized by illegals, deadly car wrecks caused by reckless smugglers, drug runners brandishing weapons as they demand help from the local people--all of this happens daily on the reservation. The reservation is the scene of one of the major drug corridors between the United States and Mexico. In 2002, tribal police seized 65,000 pounds of narcotics. During the first four months of 2003, tribal police reported seizing 33,000 pounds of marijuana and discovered 1,877 vehicles abandoned by smugglers. One of the busiest smuggling routes through the reservation begins about twenty-five miles to the west, where taxis finish a fifteen-minute run from Sonoyta, Mexico, by dropping off their passengers at a flimsy border fence.

"Tohono O'odham children are being taken into the drug cartels, sometimes forcibly but oftentimes joining in for the money. On a visit to the reservation, I saw five-year-old children stumbling around stoned. Their parents are going crazy, they don't know what to do. They can't deal with the fact that they have been invaded."

I wish things had happened differently between white settlers and Native Americans, but there's nothing to be done about it now. As for the present...before non-Natives call our illegal immigration problem a form of karma, they ought to try something useful and look into the matter and see who this is hurting.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 12, 2006 3:42:14 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 14, 2006 3:19:33 PM PDT
The Indians (American Continent Natives) had some pretty amazing civilizations, but one of the biggest -- the Mayans -- self-destructed 500 years before the first Europeans stepped foot on the continent. The Mayans were brutal and slaughtered thousands, sometimes in a single day, in sacrifice to their gods. After oppressing the people they ruled for years and years, their civilization crumbled, and the remaining Native Americans descended into tribalism. As for the Indians who were here when the Europeans showed up, they were basically living in the Stone Age. They had not invented the wheel, they were poor farmers (if they did any agriculture at all), and they were basically living a hunter-gatherer existence. Their greatest technology was obsidian arrow tips. Let's not forget that they were warlike and fought amongst each other in brutal fashion. One can only guess what their life expectancy was, or what their birth survival rate was, but I don't imagine it was very high. They didn't stand a chance against any advanced civilization. Just look at what happened to Montezuma and the Aztecs in what is now Mexico, or the Incas of what is today Peru. They lost it all to a handful of Spaniards. Speaking of Mexico and Mexicans -- the Mexican government was not nice to Native Americans, either. They savagely slaughtered them and took their land. Sound familiar?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 27, 2006 10:45:35 PM PDT
Indian reservations are run by thier own people, with thier own sovereign laws; I'd think you, being an expert, would know this. If you don't like the ghetto, leave the ghetto, but don't blame others for not being able to take care of yourself. Quit drinking, leave & go to college, you'll go to the front of the line in admissions as well as most job interviews.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 27, 2006 10:50:30 PM PDT
Native Americans were out-competed for thier land. I'm sorry. Life is a struggle. What else do you want to hear? Be grateful it wasn't another godless people doing the conquering maybe, can you imagine what asians, or muslims may have done?

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2006 12:59:05 PM PST
On the point of military service: I am a veteran, and I have encountered numerous foriegners in all branches of the military. Many of these are FAR MORE PATRIOTIC than some people who were born in America! Yes, I think the option of American citizenship should be automatic for them!
I have had many Native-American friends, many were more like realtives than my actual familiy. Most of them were people I knew in the military. I have seen the conditions on reservations, and I believe more should be done to revive Native-American culture and population in North America.
It can not be denied that indigenous Americans were subjected to numberless atrocities...but always remember, that most European-descended people were just as horrified by such government-endorsed actions in an unenlightened time.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2006 1:15:22 PM PST
LBS has a good point too. There are in fact many Native-Americans who are suffering from the violation of there properties along the southern border.

They are REAL Americans as well, because they too are filling the ranks of the Minutemen. I think this illegal-immigration issue is a prime opportunity to make some long-overdue repairs to relations with the indigenous people of America.

As Mrs. C mentioned earlier, the Natives have in fact performed quite heroically for America in many wars. There are other unrecognized contributions as well.
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