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175 of 187 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Insightful and thought-provoking analysis
I have enjoyed all of Bishop John Shelby Spong's books. This latest addition weaves together Bishop Spong's interpretation of how the gospel stories came about and how they should be viewed by the contemporary Christian. He makes a compelling argument that much of what appears in the gospels represents a reformulation of pre-existing Jewish folklore as expressed in the...
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171 of 190 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars History vs Story--Which comes first?
John Shelby Spong is an excellent theologian, making faith possible for persons for whom integrity of belief is important. He argues that NT events from the life of Jesus are not based in actual happenings but are creations by NT writers drawing from OT images that are then applied to Jesus and his ministy. Thus, Spong is able to dismiss virtually all historical...
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175 of 187 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Insightful and thought-provoking analysis, March 6, 2007
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This review is from: Jesus for the Non-Religious (Hardcover)
I have enjoyed all of Bishop John Shelby Spong's books. This latest addition weaves together Bishop Spong's interpretation of how the gospel stories came about and how they should be viewed by the contemporary Christian. He makes a compelling argument that much of what appears in the gospels represents a reformulation of pre-existing Jewish folklore as expressed in the Old Testament in an attempt to understand the significance of the historical Jesus. I especially enjoyed his chapter that discusses how the Christian church will ultimately fail if it continues to struggle to hang on to old and outdated interpretations that even the faithful no longer take seriously.

I had hoped that Bishop Spong would further develop what it was about the Jesus of history that made the writers feel compelled to wrap Jesus's story in such complex mythology. The latter parts of the book I felt were weak in this regard. His premise is that a man like Jesus who transcended the boundaries of prejudice, stereotype, and other human frailties was deemed to be a reflection of God and consequently became wrapped into the mythology of the Jewish Old Testament. To my mind, there must have been more than that. There have been other great men of history (Gandhi comes to mind) that did not produce the impact that Jesus Christ did. I could not help feeling that there must have been something more to the Christ story...much more to make the evangelists go through the trouble that they did to produce the gospel stories of this great man.

Despite this shortcoming, I found the book to be well-written, informative, and very interesting. I highly recommend it for Progressive Christians. Orthodox Christians will not like this book and I look forward to their reviews that will undoubtably follow.
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94 of 98 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Jesus for the rest of us!, June 4, 2007
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Don Smith (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) - See all my reviews
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Tired of Bible-thumpers, door-to-door evangelists and televangelists? Ashamed to call yourself a Christian because people will think you're a bigoted know-nothing? Do you have a deep attachment to the man Jesus but wouldn't be caught dead in a church? Well, take hope!

Jack Spong has thrown religious clutter overboard in this exciting new book and allowed people of the 21st century to see the wonder and awe which Jesus' original followers must have experienced in his presence. Not superman just a super man!

In the first third of the book, Spong, dismantles all the man-made supernatural rubbish layered on the human Jesus. The reasons why the early Church did these things are many and varied but "modern" scholars, over the past 150 years or so, now know that things like the virgin birth and bodily resurrection were NOT things that the earliest followers of Jesus would have recognized as having anything to do with what Jesus was about.

The middle third of the book focuses on how and why the original evangelists made Jesus look like the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and/or a figure of importance like Moses or David. Most of us read this stuff in the Bible and just assume that it's "history" but once again, Spong points out that modern scholarship recognizes this as interpretive material to make Jesus the next logical step for Jews and eventually Gentiles in God's "plan" for us.

The final third of the book is really the pinnacle of Spong's thinking regarding where people of a spiritual inclination (Christian or otherwise) can go with this de-mythologized human Jesus. We don't need to grovel before a God and thank a God for getting Jesus killed so that in some bizzare way we think/believe that Jesus' blood washes away "original sin" that most of us don't even think/know we've got! Rather we, like the original followers of Jesus, need to see something "God-like" in the way in which Jesus lived and died.

If, as Spong argues, God can provisionally be described as "the source of love, the source of life, and the ground of being" then in Jesus we have seen someone who loves wastefully, enhances being and exhorts us to live fully. This is not just some New Age bumper sticker. This is a challenge for all of us to follow in Jesus' footsteps and create the world that we know God would want. Confronting injustice, corrupt power and killing prejudice can get us crucified, too - but that is the path of Jesus.

Don't bother reading this book if you're a "born again" Christian - it'll just make you mad and confuse you. But, if, like me, you see beauty and richness in the Christian tradition and the man Jesus DESPITE all of the ugliness of institutional religion (now and in the past) this book is a MUST read.

Highly recommended.
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171 of 190 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars History vs Story--Which comes first?, April 5, 2007
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John Shelby Spong is an excellent theologian, making faith possible for persons for whom integrity of belief is important. He argues that NT events from the life of Jesus are not based in actual happenings but are creations by NT writers drawing from OT images that are then applied to Jesus and his ministy. Thus, Spong is able to dismiss virtually all historical references in the gospels. This reviewer is thoroughly familiar with the theological meaning of mythology (PHD in NT studies from St. Andrews Univ. Scotland), and agrees with many of the conclusions that Spong reaches, but I prefer to see a core element of historical data which led the NT writers to return to the OT for religious language that will describe the event and input meaning to it. They see events in the life of Jesus with OT history and in order to tell the story they use Ot imagery and language. Thus Spong is correct in challenging specific details in the story telling, but for me, he is far to quick to dismiss far too much of the gospel data.
We agree that Jesus was an historical figure--but I do not believe Spong has done his research in extra-biblical data that provides evidence that could be understood to document events particularly from Luke's gospel.
Spong's book might be very helpful for persons looking for theological meaning in the Jesus story, but too much data surrounding that ministry is dismissed as creative story telling. I began making a list and quickly found 25 things that Spong dismisses as having no historical identity (no star, no Bethlehem, no Judas, no 12 disciples, no burial in a tomb, no cleansing of the temple, etc.etc). I agree that the stories are embellished via oral tradition with the early centuries, but I continue to believe these stories developed out of an actual event that did happen, but that we should not insist on exact historicity in all details as the story is told.
Spong is an excellent challenge to Evangelical-Fundamentalist literalism in Biblical story telling (for that clearly lacks intellectual credibility) but I wish he would have toned down his strident "slash and burn" approach to all historical rootage in the biblical life of Jesus.
This book is a very important challenge to the "literal text with a spiritual meaning" so prevalent in American Christianity. It will speak to persons who long for a theological image of Jesus preaching a desperately needed message about justice, reconciliation, compassion and personal integrity that calls persons to be all they can be, and to live with freedom and grace for all humanity.
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27 of 29 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Spong's Culminating View of Jesus, June 21, 2007
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Although the title is "Jesus for the Non Religious," i received the impression while reading this book that Spong is attempting to put down his final conclusions about Jesus and our knowledge about him from the scriptures. It is a summation, a tying together his lifetime studies on this subject.

The book is interestiing and well written, but it has a certain quality to it that I will describe as an attempt to take the reader step by step through various stages that lead him to his final conclusion of who Jesus was (is).

Spong begins by a form of reductionism---separating what we know for sure about Jesus from the myths surrounding him. In this Part 1 Spong ends up with very little we can be sure of: Jesus was born in the Jewish homeland; he was a teacher and a healer; he was opposed by the civil and religious leaders; he died by crucifixtion. All the rest---his words, deeds, miracles, healings, prophecies --we cannot be sure about.
The Gospels are almost entirely the work of those upon whom Jesus made such a great impression that they largely created his life and words as found in the four gospels.

In the second part he shows how the original Jewish followers of Jesus saw him through their tradition, culture and scriptures. Jesus was seens as the "new Passover:. Jesus was seen through the lens of Yom Kippur as both the perfect lamb slaughtered to reconcile man with God --- and, the scape goat laden with the evil of mankind. To a lesser degree, Jesus was seen as the "Son of Man" in the work of Ezekiel, the prophet.
Jesus was also viewed as the suffering servant of Second Isaiah and as the "Good Shepherd".

In the third and final part of the book, Bishop Spong examines what is left of Jesus after identifying the myths and accepting that Jesus made a profound impression upon his early followers who then constructed his life story using as material and as a pattern -- sections of the Hebrew scriptures.

Spong describes evolution on several pages culminating when the creature we call a human being became such a person --- by the dawn of "self conciousness. However, when the first humans realized their identity and saw that they were surrounded by a possibly dangerous Nature, animals, other beings --- they were filled with insecurity. This result is the inate drive for survival found within human beings to this day. Spong identifies ways that human have sought to reassure themselves of their existence and value: tribal relationships, prejudices, stereotypes and --- religion.

Jesus broke through all the these barriers that effectively cut mankind off from true freedom and happiness.

I was waiting for the final section because I thought "What is there left?"

Bishop Spong that --even after his life's work (and, possibly because of it) he still is a God intoxicated man and one who sees what God is like in the being of Jesus.

Frankly, for me, the final fourth of the book was rather unsatisfying. For example, what Christian church can one become a member of that sees Jesus as Bishop Spong hascome to perceive him? This latest view of Jesus is a "work in progress" -- especially in that their are no structures, fellowships, etc. that are available to those who find Spong's conclusions --- the answers to their quest.
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26 of 30 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Bishop Spong is a voice crying out in the wilderness, May 13, 2007
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Bishop Spong puts forth a case for a new Christianity for a new age. With the current Christian Right Wing of our society, manipulating government, preying on fears, espousing Jesus Christ and their narrow doctrine as the only genuine faith; we need a voice of reason, intellect and enlightenment. Bishop Spong steps out where other clerics dare to tread. I highly recommend this book for all people who have doubts and are seeking a path where they can embrace faith, find a sound doctrine and live a life that Jesus intended. I am on my second reading as while it is very readable, the case and research is voluminous and difficult to absorb at one reading.
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15 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars So many of my thoughts clarified, July 7, 2007
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Spong's Biblical knowledge is superb. He has sent me back to reading the scriptures several times to gain a deeper/newer perspective of Jesus and the "mythology" built around Him. I geatly appreciated Spong's explanation of the writings surrounding Jesus as an indication of the frustrations of 1st century people trying to explain the depth of their feelings for Jesus and ending up with the creation of liturgy rather than exact truth of events. I've struggled with trying to reconcile miracles, death and rebirth, the passion story, etc. to what I believe Jesus to have been. As a student of history and seeing all the horrendous things that "good Christians" have done over the years has led me to wonder how Jesus was so "misinterpreted" and Spong clearly addresses this issue. I find it much easier to focus on the beliefs and actions of Jesus and to continue to believe that following His actions would lead to a better world and my own personal enlightenment and connectedness to God after having read Spong's book.
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22 of 25 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Great Book with a Bad Title, June 11, 2007
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The title of this book does not convey its thrust very well. I think that "Christianity for the Twenty-first Century" would have been a better choice. (Note: if you are a bible literalist, this book and this review are not for you.) In this book Bishop Spong continues his exploration of the meaning of Jesus for modern people. His message is that you can believe in science and rationalism without having to abandon Christianity. For example, on p. xii he says, "God and truth cannot be incompatible," and on p. 215, "So theism can die without God dying."

The heading for the first part is "Separating the Human Jesus from the Myth," where "myth" is to be taken in its best definition as a meaningful story that is the basis for a belief system. He then goes through many chapters separating the human teacher from the christology, rather successfully, I believe. If there is a weakness to his book, it is that his statement of what is left for a modern belief system could have been made stronger. I would have liked to have seen more on the idea of acting on the message of Jesus: help for the poor, the sick, and the down-troddened.
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14 of 15 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars More progress but seems not quite there yet, March 1, 2008
Over the years Bishop Spong has been working out his progressive Christian theology. Of the books I have read by him, this seems to me to be his best effort to date.

I had previously read by him:
Resurrection: Myth or Reality? : A Bishop's Search for the Origins of Christianity
Why Christianity Must Change or Die: A Bishop Speaks to Believers In Exile
and
A New Christianity for a New World: Why Traditional Faith is Dying & How a New Faith is Being Born

My recommendation would be, if you haven't read any of these books, to only read "Jesus for the Non-Religious" - or at least to begin with it after which the others may only be of interest to you if you wish to trace the development of Spong's thought.

The biggest step that Spong has made in this book is in his speculation of how the story of Jesus that eventually appeared in the Gospels might have been built up in Jewish discussions, probably in good part in synagogues, of who Jesus had been and what his life and death had meant. In these discussions, the impact of Jesus was understood to a significant degree in terms of Old Testament texts, leading to the four New Testament Gospel accounts. Explaining in this way, Spong is able to make sense of how the myths arose and what the original images of Jesus were. Spong then can present a Jesus more relevant to our times, free of reliance on supernaturalism, by emphasizing how the life and death could nevertheless reveal the love of God in a Jesus who led people past boundaries: "tribal", of "prejudice and stereotype", and "religious".

Spong presents compelling reasons for the acknowledgement of the reason for the origin and for the power of Christian myth. In doing, he presents a powerful alternative to the literalized interpretations: he's attempted this before but seems most successful in this book.

One question that remains for me is whether Spong has remained too dependent on constructing his own image of Jesus. Perhaps his message might be even stronger if, without in any way denying the power of Jesus, he accepted that the details of the life of Jesus may never be knowable but emphasized more, as he speculated in discussing the impact in the synagogues to try to understand what Jesus meant, that Christianity is a response by many. As Spong acknowledges, Paul himself did not find much about the life of Jesus significant enough to share in his letters and yet didn't Paul of something of great power about Christianity to share with those his letters were intended for? It may be that a turning us to Christ as Paul did, to Christian history, and our shared condition is what a progressive Christianity can best do rather than join the many who compete to speculate upon a "winning" image of Jesus. Nevertheless, as Spong points, moving past "tribal" boundaries, "prejudice and stereotype", and "religious" boundaries may be among the best ways we can acknowledge that "Jesus is Lord".

But might it be possible, due to all the uncertainties and speculations about Jesus, that it might be necessary in order to be a Christian that one let a definite image of Jesus go ... just as Spong has encouraged us to let a definite image (the theistic one) of God go? Paul seemed not to have communicated a detailed Jesus in his letters? Why then now so long after Jesus, Paul, and so many others are we reaching to justify doing the right things by creating an image of Jesus whose authority we then appeal to and direct others to? Founders are important but so to are successors: at this time, informed by but not tied up by history, it is our present and future actions that matter. It seems up to the living to find what God means today and to act effectively in response. One of Spong's own teachers seems of help on this, I recommend Paul Tillich as in his
The Courage to Be
when one feels ready to take another step into progressive Christianity.
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19 of 22 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A revolutionary book., July 8, 2007
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Spong has always been excellent at critiquing the errors and problems in traditional, especially fundamentalist, Christianity. What I liked most about this book is that he gives an alternative understanding of Jesus at the end of the book.

While he often repeats points excessively, I found his arguments convincing and scholarly. Digging through and discarding the centuries of Christian orthodoxy and dogma to find the truly revolutionary core of Jesus is well worth the effort. Spong's view of the real Jesus is the one that makes the most sense to me. It is intelligent, moral, and inspirational and doesn't require ignoring or denying 21st century knowledge.

The true message of Jesus is not unique to Jesus nor does it require the authority of Jesus. In addition to Christians, it can be embraced by freethinkers, humanists, agnostics, atheists, and most faith traditions. But if Christianity is to survive in our modern world, this book could restore its wisdom and relevance. I would recommend it to anyone.
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14 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars The Latest Spong, March 31, 2007
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This is an explication and development of Spong's non-theistic approach to Christianity. I appreciate his depth of analysis for many elements of orthodoxy, and his plea for a new and renewed theology appropriate for our times. While he reprises much of what his previous texts have said, he extends and clarifies his main themes. I recommend this book for those who cannot accept the literalistic, fall-redemption theology of many contemporary churches, and will be open to new understandings.
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