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Jongen: Symphonie Concertante; Saint-Saëns: Symphony No.3

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I looked forward to this recording based on previous reviews only to find myself disappointed upon listening to it. In terms of sheer sound, this CD does indeed qualify as an audiophile recording but I found the orchestra sound distant and the organ sound way too bass heavy. It seemed to me that Dorian was trying to faithfully capture the sounds of the 32-foot pipes which indeed they did, but other aspects of the sound spectrum suffered.

As an organist who has studied and performed both works, I felt that Guillou's approach to the Jongen somewhat schizophrenic. He seemed faithful to the dynamics and changes in tempo, but oblivious to Jongen's indicated registrations. I felt that the organ sound did not match that of the orchestra; this is an impressionistic piece played on a neo-baroque organs with a "French" division called "Resonance". I also noted a pedal registration which was just too heavy on deep bass. Guillou's breakneck tempo on the Toccata deprived the listener of the rich harmonic progressions but did display a fantastic technique.

I did appreciate that Guillou approaches the Saint-Saens as a symphony and not a concerto and thus takes great pains to blend in. I would have liked a little more organ sound in the fourth movement. On my audiophile system the drums seemed to stand out too much.

I am hoping that EMI releases Virgil Fox's monumental 1950's/1960's Jongen recording as, to my ear, he gets it right in terms of registration and tempo, despite a lot of extra organ playing not in the score. Michael Murray's approach (Telarc) is a fine performance and will remain my favorite on CD.

My review addresses only the Jongen Piece - this is the only recording of the Saint-Saens that I have heard, so I have no real basis on which to compare it.

The first three movements of the Jongen Symphonie Concertante sound very good, and are perhaps equal to the quality of the 1984 Telarc recording of this piece featuring the San Francisco Symphony/Michael Murray, Organ/Edo DeWaart, conductor. Unfortunately, the overall effect is ruined by the simple fact that the Tocatta is taken at too fast a tempo. The indicated tempo is Allegro Moderato, but organist Jean Guillou starts it almost Presto and conductor Eduardo Mata keeps it there. It sounds like they just wanted to get through it fast, or perhaps they were trying to impress the audience with the speed at which it could be played, but the quick tempo obscures the grandeur of the climax. What is ordinarily a grand dramatic crescendo over the last half of the Tocatta sounds like a 33 rpm LP record played at 45 rpm - the effect is that bad. This turns one of the most dramatic climaxes in music into a rapid presentation of bombastic chords that stop making musical sense. This is a terrible misinterpretation of Jongen's masterpiece, and though this CD may be important for the Saint-Saens recording, I cannot recommend it for the Jongen Symphonie Concertante. The Telarc/San Francisco Symphony recording is superior - buy that CD if you want the best interpretation of the Jongen piece. My review of that disc is available on Amazon.com.

The focus on the reviews of this recording rightly centers on the Jongen Symphonie Concertante, surely THE most towering work for organ and orchestra. As late as 25 years ago, this piece was heard hardly at all -- and was championed only by organist Virgil Fox, who also made the first commercial recording of the piece back in the 1960s. Today, the work has achieved mild "cult" status, and is actually performed in quite a few places by the major symphony orchestras (e.g., Minneapolis, Dallas, San Francisco, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, etc.). And there have been at least nine commercial recordings that I've heard, so we now have a good selection of recorded performances to choose from.

Unfortunately, in the case of the present recording, the sonic splendors of the Dallas Symphony and Dorian are wasted in a self-indulgent interpretation by the organist. He seems to be trying to win a contest to play the work as fast as humanly possible -- and to out-run the orchestra in the bargain. Not to be caught short at the finish line, Mata and the Dallas players gamely play "catch the organist," but the effect is close to chaotic -- and does nothing to illuminate the brilliant flow of the work that Jongen has so masterfully woven into his composition. To hear the difference a really good performance makes, you can select any number of alternate interpretations -- best in my view are the Murray/deWaart/San Francisco Symphony (on Telarc); Hauk/Ibarra/Ingolstadt Philharmonic (on Guild); Wedd/Bernardi/Calgary Philharmonic (on CBC -- deleted at present); or the "old faithful" Fox/Pretre/Paris Opera Orchestra first recording (EMI -- deleted, but you can get hold of a later live performance Fox did with the NHK Japan Symphony under Heinz Wallberg by going to www.cafepress.com; that performance is mighty fine also). Listen to any of these alternatives, and you'll see how much more musical depth and insight are brought out by the performers, and the effect is revelatory. By comparison, this performance is interpretively hidebound while tempi are rushed throughout -- and the result is hugely disappointing.

I keep this CD on my shelf to use as "Exhibit A" when demonstrating what can happen to a composer's work when performers throw thoughtful interpretation away in favor of engaging in the musically adolescent game of "anything you can play, I can play faster."

I had the priviledge to sit in on the concert back in 1994 for this recording was made. It is truly like what I heard. The sound is so realistic I felt the 32' stops rumble through my speakers. This cd is great made in the greatest concert hall in the southwest and with the C.B. Fisk greatest organ ever built. If you are an organ lover this cd is a must have.

When I first heard this on Napster, I was stunned. When I got the CD, I was very pleased with myself to say the least. The opening movement of the Jongen is full of tense energy that rolls along a dark path until the rapturous entrance of the mighty organ part. There is some truly Romantic writing here from the largely forgotten composer. The skill with which the orchestral parts are joined with the powerful organ is astonishing. The second movement is a very curious scerzo that leaps and bounds with playfulness. The third is an impressive, dark movement which incorporates some beautiful harmonies and the fourth (the toccata) is a whirlwind of excitement and virility. The performer is well up to the (at times) extreme technical demands of the organ part and the climax is one of the most joyous outbursts of musical passion that I've come across in the repertoire. Fantastic stuff.
The Saint-Saens makes a great coupler. He was mainly known for his orchestral and other works rather than as a composer for the organ. Although the organ is rather in the background for a lot of the piece, it is almost constantly playing and the final movement makes familiar an unforgettable melody that features in (among other things) the film "Babe"! Another powerful performance and all credit is due to the soloist, orchestra and conductor for coupling two quite different compositions - requiring formidable forces - and pulling it off successfully. (The Jongen release on Telarc with Michael Murray as soloist is also very much worth investigating).

I basically give it the same critique that everyone else does; it is a great piece, played on a fabulous organ, and was captured by what very well may be the best recording engineers in the business. Recording the MASSIVE force of organ and full orchestra is no easy task. That being said, I have never heard a recording come anywhere close to this in it's beautiful, clean and clear fidelity.

As a composer myself, I find it slightly annoying that the organist took such extreme liberties in registration - I have the score to this piece, both the full score and solo part - and Guillou doesn't expound on the composers wishes, he blatantly changes them. However, I think they are effective and vast, which makes for a very unique experience. The toccata is an extremely fun and exciting interpretation, even if frantic and "schizophrenic" (as one other reviewer put it). There are several places where the two forces (the organ and orchestra) have a very hard time staying together. This is understandable if you are at all familiar with organs; a slower tempo would have fixed this. If you are looking for the "quintessential" recording of this piece, this isn't it; get the DeWaart/Murray recording (ASTONISHING!). However, if you want to here a new twist on a GREAT piece, this recording will suffice.

This is one of those few recordings which will really "knock your socks off!" The quality of this recording is superb. The organ is one of the best concert organs in North America, and it sits in one of the best halls. The performance is truely stunning!! I have listened to this recording many, many times, and it still keeps me on the edge of my seat. It is yet another example of a fantastic recording from Dorian.

Jean Guillou is probably one of the more controversial members of the organ world today. He has a very individualistic approach to tempi, registration, and rhythm. I've heard the Murray recording on Telarc (which I love). I prefer this recording, however.

Guillou is a very indivualistic interpreter. His interpretations are uniquely his own, and they often highlight other dimensions to the score that one might not have known were there. He is also a composer, so he does tend to approach each work from that particular horizon.

This is a stunning display of musicianship, both from orchestra and organist.

...I thought I was going to burn my subwoofer. The rumbling of the pipe organ, coupled with the ultra-clean Dorian recording of the orchestra makes for a borderline religious experience.