You are correct. Same problem with many Kindle publications. I subscribe to print editions of several magazines like New Yorker, Atlantic, NY Times, LA Times (which gets me access normally on the web sites, for the ones where the web sites aren't free), but on Kindle you have to double pay. This is particularly annoying when the web site or PDA versions of the publications are available from my PC or Blackberry for free. One way to view it is that you are paying for the cell network time for delivery, Amazon's revenue for supporting the infrastructue, and the extra features like storage/archive/search (which I don't use).
We are still in a transition time between traditional print publications and broad electronic distribution of content. We early adopters pay the freight to move the world forward at faster pace. Bless us all.
I see that the "New York Times" is offering subscriptions to its Electronic Edition, which is accessed on a computer with an internet connection -- and described as "an exact digital replica of The Times", "searchable," "easy to read," "portable, and "convenient". After a free, 7-day trial subscription, the cost of a 7-day a week subscription to the Electronic Edition is $14.99/month. The "Times" page promoting the offer says "No Software to Download". See
That same page further states: "You can read it anytime and anywhere there is an available Internet connection."
Amazon, of course, offers a 7-day a week subscription to the "Times" on the Kindle for $13.99, *but* as many posts here have noted, the Kindle evidently fails to deliver *all* the various sections in the "Times", not to mention the advertising, which some of us find informative. Evidently, the sections not offered by Kindle include, but are not limited to, the Science and Technology sections (as some have ironically observed) and the Crossword Puzzles (daily and Sunday).
The $64 question: Does anyone know whether one can first subscribe to the "Times" Electronic Edition and then successfully *access* that subscribed Electronic Edition on one's Kindle -- by using the internet portion of the Kindle (perhaps by using the Advanced, rather than Basic, mode)?
I ask because my current subscription (7 days a week) to the "dead tree" edition of the "Times" is about to expire, and I was considering subscribing via the Kindle instead -- until I read post after post cataloging the shortcomings of the Kindle's presentation of the "Times". Reading the Electronic Edition of the "Times" on the Kindle *sounds like* it could be the ideal solution -- IF it is technically feasible in the first place.
I subscribe to print wsj and ft. I like FT more than WSJ. Just like NYT, they consider kindle subscription as seperate revenue stream. As long as people are paying for it, they will not change. Probably, amazon also needs to push kindle as free open standard for ereaders that would avoid/reduce their cut in these subscriptions. Personally, I feel if I subscribe once, I should be able to read content on any device - ipad, kindle, pc, cell phone etc. Also, epub is an open standard that kindle should support so that content providers can provide content in open source formats.
Amazon is way behind the competition. The iPad allows you to download the content of the NYTimes and the WSJ as long as you are subscribing to the online versions; no double-charging for the same information. I get the Sunday print edition of the Times delivered at home; this qualifies me for the online version every day for no additional charge, so I could never see paying for the Kindle subscription.
I too am a print subscriber, paying over $50 a month for the service. I was shocked when I learned I would have to pay extra to Amazon to read the paper on Kindle. If you use Nook and iPad and have a weekly or monthly NYT subscription it costs you nothing extra for the electronic version.
After lots of looking, I finally found on the NYT website language referring to print subscriptions and e-readers. Here's where the info is: http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/account/purchases/subscriptions-and-purchases.html#digital-sub-family-plan Here are two bits of info: "Digital subscription benefits for print subscribers also include the Replica Edition. Please note that e-reader editions (Kindle, Nook, Sony Reader, Kobo Reader) are not free to print subscribers." AND "*Note: NYTimes apps are not supported on all devices. NYTimes digital subscriptions do not include e-reader editions (e.g., Kindle, Nook, Sony Reader, Kobo Reader), Premium Crosswords or The New York Times Crosswords apps. Additional restrictions apply."
Until Kindle loses the dominate market share, I wouldn't count on that. Supporting an open source e-pub format would allow Kindle owners to search for a book on various online sellers and move the e-pub file to their kindle with no problems. Amazon.com would still be the default first choice, but since you can send any file to the Kindle by simply emailing it to your account, nearly instant comparison shopping would be really easy. Amazon wants to lock Kindle users into the Amazon.com platform for as long as they can. And right now that means resisting e-pub.
ePub vs Kindle native formats is probably moot until the publishers lose pricing control. Current model, where they price fix, at least for books, the formats are going to make zero difference. Don't get wrong, I'd prefer ePub, it's smaller and thus downloads quicker, takes less space. To me, the core problem here is that Amazon and the NYtimes need to work out a little better version of the newspaper model so that (1) a Kindle subscription can be delivered to more than one place (i.e. the family model, where we can all read multiple sections of the paper, don't have to buy multiple papers), and (2) the NYtimes delivers FULL content (not some subset that's ill-defined).
As an observation. It seems the main point of conflict is the Kindle edition of the times is not free, like the other digital format ones are if you get the print edition. If you get the Kindle edition, then you get digitial edition rights too, so in that sense NYTimes go that bit right. But people are used to paying no times or at least only once for the content. Thus the dilemma. Still, Amazon, particularly for the 3G version, has some costs for distribution, and if I bought two print copies, I would kind of expect to pay twice, so I guess to me the models sort of add up. Because of the partnership between Barnes and Noble and NYTImes on the free nook (that's probably killing more Kindle sales in NY than anything else, and will do it long term, since they potentially lose every NYTimes subscriber, which is huge), I don't imagine that Amazon is in any hurry to sort it out. But I suppose NYTimes could publish a Kindle format version and allow it to be downloaded to Print or Digital subscribers. You'd have to have a new internet connection, or e-mail it to the Kindle (which incurs some costs), but it would be doable. Since this would be mostly conventional download model, then the content could be the full edition, maybe even offer a variant with advertisements for people that wanted those.
As a 7 day a week print subscriber, I really don't understand why I wouldn't get the kindle version for free. Considering I get the digital version for free with my subscription, why not the kindle version too? If I got it for free, it might have pushed me over the edge in getting a kindle. Why on Earth would I ever pay twice for the same thing? Especially when kindle subscribers get the digital version for free.
I agree 100%. I pay in excess of $50 a week for home delivery. When I'm away from home I'd appreciate being able to read the NYT on my Kindle, but somewhere along the way either Amazon or the NYT or probably both got greedy. They expect us to pay twice for the same service. Like I said, it smells of corporate greed.
I am so disappointed. The main reason I wanted to buy the Fire was to read the NY Times. I already get free internet acesss to the complete NY Times because I subscribe to the Sunday Times. Now why in the world would I want to pay an additional $20/mo to read a partial version of the paper?
I have been looking for the "free" subscription to the NY Times on an E ink reader. As a print subscriber I agree that it is not fair but the reality is it just does not exist. I mostly want the Times for the beach in the summer and do not want to take a $500 ipad with me to to the sun and sand. Not to mention the glare factor.
I need a reader as I am in Spain for the summer.
I think the solution for me is get the cheaper $79 Kindle and pay the $20 a month for the few months I read the Times at the beach. I don't read books but love to read the Times.
This really means the kindle fire does not work as a reading device. I get the paper editions of the New York Times and the New Yorker. On the ipad, the iphone, and my samsung tablet, I get the electronic versions of both publications free. On the kindle fire it was possible to sideload the free times app, but it was tricky, so I replaced it.
So the kindle devices are useless for reading periodicals if you are a paper subscriber.
This is horribly disappointing. I am a NYT home delivery subscriber, which also includes "all digital access." For whatever reason, as dissucssed above, this indeed does not include the kindle version. Even more bewildering is that kindle subscribers get all digital access, but all digital access subscribers don't get kindle access! Fix please.