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53 of 54 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Perfect book for taking your Perl skills to the next level
In the world of Perl there was once only the 'camel book,' held in perhaps as much reverence as 'K & R' among C programmers. It certainly appealed to roughly the same audience, those who wanted a short, sharp introduction to a programming language. It was with a problem that needed solving and a copy of the camel book that I started as a Perl programmer.

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3.0 out of 5 stars disenting opinion
I don't know why it is so hard to get a decent book on Perl. Every author seems to have a weird idea on how to present material. Perl programmers often seem to be devoted to the culture and celebrities of Perl. Randal Schwartz is perhaps the best of Perl authors.

This is a decent book but I don't particularly like the style. He teaches by example, ie he...
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53 of 54 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Perfect book for taking your Perl skills to the next level, September 3, 2003
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A Williams "honestpuck" (Neutral Bay, NSW Australia) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
In the world of Perl there was once only the 'camel book,' held in perhaps as much reverence as 'K & R' among C programmers. It certainly appealed to roughly the same audience, those who wanted a short, sharp introduction to a programming language. It was with a problem that needed solving and a copy of the camel book that I started as a Perl programmer.

Then for those that wanted a introduction to Perl and programming Randal L. Schwartz wrote Learning Perl, a book that has arguably become the definitive textbook for teaching Perl. The one weakness was that it left off before really getting to the guts of building large, complex projects in Perl. It did not cover classes, objects, breaking your code up into pieces or the more arcane aspects of variables, references. For this we had to resort to the last few chapters of the 'camel book' and I, for one, have never really been totally comfortable at this end of the language; when I'm reading someone else's code it might take a couple of reads to fully understand the process.

Now this weakness has been well and truly addressed. Schwartz, with Tom Phoenix, has written "Learning Perl Objects, References & Modules", a volume that takes the same steady approach to teaching you the more advanced topics as the earlier 'Learning Perl'. Schwartz has spent the years since writing 'Learning Perl' teaching and writing. You can tell, this is a superbly written book, not that 'Learning Perl' wasn't well written; it's just that this volume is far better.

The Guts

The book starts with a chapter on building larger programs that covers @INC, eval, do and require before discussing packages and scope. It then has several chapters on references that explains in well understandable fashion and increasing complexity all the ins and outs of references including dereferencing, nested references, references to subroutines and references to anonymous data before a final chapter on references that gives you some incredibly useful tricks such as sorting and recursively defining complex data.

The book continues with three chapters that give you a solid grounding in Perl objects. Here Schwartz has assumed that you know at least a little about object oriented programming, some may feel the need for more explanation of concepts might be required, but if you've had any experience in OOP before then the clear examples and descriptions here are probably all you want.

Modules are not as well covered, with only a single chapter, but it is hard to think of anything left out, it covers using them and building your own so well that it left me wondering what all the fuss was about, "seems obvious to me." The book concludes with chapters on building a distribution out of your module, testing it using make test (with Test::Harness), Test::Simple and Test::More before a chapter telling you how to contribute to CPAN.

Each chapter of the book concludes with a number of small exercises, designed to be done in just a few minutes, that cement the learning of the previous chapter. The answers to these are at the end of the book.

Conclusion

Once I'd finished I felt I had a much more solid grounding in Perl, certainly I was much better able to understand another programmer's code that dealt with such things as subroutine references and some complex data structures. While the subject matter of this book is almost entirely covered in 'Programming Perl' the tutorial aspects of this book made it much easier going. The style would be familiar to anyone who has read 'Learning Perl', light without being frivolous and extremely well written, Schwartz seems a master at reducing complexity to manageable bites.

This book is deceptively easy to follow, each new idea built onto earlier ones, each new language concept introduced in an easy manner. The writing is excellent, it's hard to explain why I appreciated it so much. That may be the reason, the writing isn't forced or heavy or too light or obvious. It just allows the solid material of the book to shine through. Go to the ubiquitous O'Reilly website and grab the example chapter (the site also has a few Errata, the Table of Contents and the code from the book) and give it a look.

I think this may well become a classic, I may well in ten years time talk of Schwartz's books with the same awe I now talk of Brian Kernighan's. I'll certainly eagerly await his next book and keep this one close until it comes. Oh, and Randal, how about 'Software Tools for Perl Programmers'?

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27 of 27 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Important Note - Discontinued, May 4, 2006
This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
New editions of this book are no longer in the works, as this title is being discontinued. O'Reilly's "Intermediate Perl" by the same authors (Randal L. Schwartz, brian d foy, and Tom Phoenix) is the new edition of this book. The first edition of "Intermediate Perl" was released March 2006. So if you're thinking about purchasing this book, purchase "Intermediate Perl" instead. It includes the same material (albeit updated) by the same authors. Once again, this title has been discontinued.
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35 of 37 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Learning more Perl (sequel to "Learning Perl"), June 23, 2003
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Gregor Theis (Meerbusch Deutschland) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
"Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules " is the sequel to "Learning Perl". It starts of where "Learning Perl" finished. In "Learning Perl" I learned how to write Perl programs. In "Learning Perl Objects" I learned how to write better and bigger Perl programs. The audience of this book is the advanced Perl Programmer that wants to improve his Perl knowledge in the area of OO programming.

If you want to use Perl's OO functions, you have to know a lot about references and modules / packages (an OO package is just a normal package that is called in OO fashion). The first couple of chapters (chapter 1-7) talk about these basics of Perl OO programming that can (and should) be used even without using OO. I love chapter 5 about complex data structures. The chapters 8-11 describe the Perl OO implementation. Further Meta information about how to program packages, CPAN and testing is provided in the chapters 12-15.

The setup of the book is didactically very good and the nicely "incremental". You can see that the authors developed this book out of courses that they have held and improved for a long time. Because the book provides a nice stepwise introduction into the subject, one should read it from beginning to end. To really practice the newly learned skills, Tom and Randal provide some example exercises (with solutions in the appendix) at the end of every chapter.

Although I am not a native English speaker, I found the book very readable and humorous. Again this is another O'Reilly book that presents a possibly dry subject in a very accessible way. Even though the explanations are very good, be prepared to read some chapters twice (or more) to get your "aha" moment.

Coming from a C++ background I still find it strange that Perl needs so little additional syntax for OO programming. This has of course some (little) disadvantages. Some things like calling abstract methods and class methods (or rather errors calling these methods) are not enforced at compile time but can be enforced at runtime (if you want). Tom and Randal explain this in their book of course (and hopefully I will not forget to implement this in my modules).

There is one great downside of this book: I would have loved it to be longer. This book has about 180 effective pages (plus appendix, index, foreword), which makes it a rather fast read compared to some of the "normal" IT brick stones.

"Learning Perl Objects" is an extraordinary good introductory book into advanced Perl programming with references, modules and objects. If you have liked "Learning Perl" and you want to proceed on your path to Perl mastery, you will love this book.

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15 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Good for intermediate perl programmers, July 17, 2003
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Matthew Heusser (Allegan, MI United States) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
To me, this book seemed like two books:

1) Shared Libraries, References, Data Structures, Scoping, and other things in perl. -- For internmediate programmers.

2) OO Perl, Distributions, and Testing in Perl - Step-by-Step - For advanced perl programmers who aspire to be wizards.

For me, part 1 was mostly review. Part 2 is good stuff, but it's not very deep. You could call it "a gentle introduction to OO"

My conclusion: The earlier in your career you read this book, the better. If the topics in #1 or #2 are "new" to you, go buy the book. Seriously. The comments on h2xs and the design patterns that schwartz sets up -alone- make it worth the price.
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8 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Review of Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules, September 29, 2004
This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
Last Fall I attended a session on object oriented programming with Objective-C. When discussing various languages with object oriented capabilities, the speaker remarked, "Don't even talk to me about Perl." Many people feel that way about Perl without even having to talk about object oriented programming.

Randall Schwartz and Tom Phoenix, the authors of the Perl primer "Learning Perl", take on the task of talking about Perl and object oriented programming. Since Perl does not have object orientation as its principal structure, they have a significant task to pull off.

In the Foreword of "Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules" Damian Conway draws attention to Perl's particular magic in implementing object oriented programming: "[Perl] takes a collection of Perl's existing non-OO features...and then--with nothing up its sleeve--manages to conjure up fully functional objects, classes and methods."

This particular nature of Perl shows up in the nature of the book's content. "Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules" is not about why or when to use object oriented programming in Perl. It is about how to magically turn references and anonymous data structures into object oriented programming. In that way, it is more of a tactical book than a strategic book. The history and concepts behind object oriented programming are touched on only lightly in its 180 pages; however, the book follows a steady progression to the goal of making and distributing Perl modules.

Eagerly anticipating the publication of the book, I bought it as soon as it was available. I reaped immediate benefit from the first few chapters as they demonstrated how to accomplish the goals I had for a project that I was working on. I lost interest shortly after chapter 4. The book has sat on my coffee table for most of the last year. I paused for a great deal partly due to the vagueries of my personal life, but partly due to the odd pacing of the book. Without being able to give explicit examples, I can say that the book feels like a first edition.

The book seems squarely targeted at a point between "Learning Perl" and "Advanced Perl Programming." And that's where I'm at. It certainly has helped me develop the ability to use more complex data structures in my Perl programs. However, it is not a thorough discussion on object oriented programming. If you've grown beyond "Learning Perl", you may find "Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules" worth talking about.
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9 of 12 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Fabulous Sequel to 'Learning Perl', July 11, 2003
This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
Merlyn (as Randal Schwartz is known in Perl circles) is a fantastic author, and has written some of the most influential books on Perl available. For this book, he teamed up with his buddy and co-worker Tom Phoenix, who is another Perl luminary.

Picking up where they left off with their book 'Learning Perl' Randal and Tom plunge ahead into more advanced topics in Perl, giving you the reader in-depth knowledge in how to take Perl from small projects into large.

The writing is humorous, and easy to read, the examples are top-notch, and the knowledge is spot on.

If you're already familiar with Perl, and you're looking to take the next step forward, this is the book for you.

Kudos to the authors.

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15 of 21 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars disenting opinion, November 5, 2004
This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
I don't know why it is so hard to get a decent book on Perl. Every author seems to have a weird idea on how to present material. Perl programmers often seem to be devoted to the culture and celebrities of Perl. Randal Schwartz is perhaps the best of Perl authors.

This is a decent book but I don't particularly like the style. He teaches by example, ie he walks through an example, once you have understood this useless example he introduces a new point and you are supposed to have your interest raised and leap into the instruction part enthusiastically. Personally I don't like this style, give me the facts and *follow* up with examples. I don't want to waste my time wadding through a story that I can forget in 5 minutes, it also makes reviewing the material difficult.

Having said that the examples are good. Many books get very abstract and terse. Gilligan and his boat and coconuts is easier to relate to 'foo' which is a pointer to a scalar called 'bar'.

You need to sit down quietly and spend time reading this. I am a harried administrator and I don't have much time.
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1 of 1 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars exactly what it claims to be, December 19, 2006
This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
This book provides exactly what it promises: a clear, concise, and complete explanation of how one uses objects, references, and modules in the Perl programming language. The didactic style does an excellent job of explaining concepts in straightforward terms, and maintains a light, conversational tone so that the reader doesn't fall asleep. For those who have a genuine interest in programming, and who enjoy learning new things, PORM encourages this and plays to it, to good effect. As a second Perl book after Learning Perl, I recommend it without hesitation.

Now for the bad news: this is an old book. The later editions have been renamed "Intermediate Perl", and more directly follow on the heels of Learning Perl. At the time of this writing, I have not read Intermediate Perl and cannot comment on its quality as an update of PORM, but based on a solid foundation like this it would be difficult to go far wrong.
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11 of 16 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars perl book you should/must get, July 15, 2003
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This review is from: Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules (Paperback)
perl must-have's:

- camel,
- Hall/Schwartz: effective
- Friedl: Reg Ex

Should-have:

- Conway OO Perl (all 4 Manning perl titles are superb)
- Brown debuggin perl OR scott/wright Perl debugged
- Learning Python & Ruby pickax (so you know what's out there)

I'm not sure which list this fits on, but it'll save you a huge amount of time learning 3 topics over deciphering camel or Perl in Nutshell. Conway ties for best OO intro ever (w/Booch, of ~8 books I've looked at) This book is more of a survey of OO, data structs & mods in familiar llama style: Hand-holding at first, then they accelerate & things get dense pretty quick. Just enough example code to illustrate, there's no big app that gets worked up thru the book. So if you wanna master perl obj model, and approach problems w/tools like java, scheme, & (ahem) python/ruby developers have, get both books.

And ask OReilly to put this on the next update of PERL CD bookshelf.

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4 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Definitely a Great Addition to any Perl Library, December 21, 2004
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This book is great for just learning about OO concepts and their related functioning in Perl. Most of the other important Perl texts are very large and tend to summarize many concepts. This text takes Perl OO concepts and presents them in a very interesting and helpful format that is easy to follow. Perl is more than just a scripting language and this text helps you to understand this language from a different prospective.
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