Apparently nothing new under the sun...I hope Im wrong but the live in Paris (its great) but its been listening for "HOW Manny more times"...and I know its not the only bootlegg during the early days of Led Zepp, anyway I will wait for the box set release to make another post
Many of us do not have bootlegs so the live in Paris songs will be something new. I have bought some bootlegs over the years and most sound bad so I stopped. I saw those super deluxe and thought I hope they have just a regular CD or vinyl release so I can afford it. Well I guess they will, just saw these listed and I am glad. Look forward to hearing if the remaster is better. I know years ago many people thought Jimmy Page had done a poor job on remastering (in mid 1990s) the albums, lets see how they come out now. Later.
I just heard Communication Breakdown from Paris & it definitely ROCKS!!!!, sound is much , much better than bootleg quality, my only question would be why hasn't this show had a legit release before now & is there possibly anything more in the vaults that has'nt already been mined?
The Paris Show wasn't in Jimmy's vault. As I recall from the time it was discovered, the reel was either mislabled or placed in a mislabled box by the French Radio personnel. It was broadcast in 1969, (and rebroadcast in 1971, IIRC) and then the tape was lost for about 40 years, was rediscovered in the French Radio's tape archives, and rebroadcast a few years ago, which is where recordings like "Paris Par Excellence" (as released by Empress Valley) were sourced. So it's only been rediscovered in the last several years, it's not like the BBC Radio appearances, which were endlessly bootlegged on LP and CD before those shows got at least a partial legitimate release (yes, this release is incomplete, but the BBC did not have all of its originally broadcast tapes, you'll still have to get a bootleg to hear them all).
I am saddened; Jimmy Page and crew. Radio stations have already received these 2014 deluxe CDs, a local DJ played one of the "bonus" tracks. I guess this is to stick it to fans (make them wait) and have radio stations promote them, as they did with The Beatles Remasters.
Hasn't it always been that way. The radio stations get advance promo copies and we start hearing the new album and we get all in a lather wanting the new album. Then when it come out we all rush to the store to buy it. At least that is the way it used to be. I don't listen to the radio anymore, except the classic rock stations. They might mention some stuff about remasters and reissues but most info I get is from forums and places like here. It is not like it was when I was a teen in the early-mid 1970s. Almost everything that came out was good, unlike today. I'll most likely get LZ 1 and 2 2-cd sets and see how they are. Can't afford the big sets but would love to have them. ROCK n ROLL!!
Hi James, I think we spoke before. Classic Rock? Around here, one night, (3) different stations were simultaneously playing a LZ song!! Seems slim picking for "Classic Rock"!! There's been MANY, MANY artists in the Rock classification that has had album Bonus tracks (my specialty) and sort, but radio never promoted them (maybe a kickback for LZ, who knows). I guess they think we're dumb and have no idea that unusual LZ material will soon be released, so they use radio. In my opinion, mainly "collectors" are the only ones interested in the LZ music, not the general public, so radio probably does little good promoting it, especially for 40+ year old material, if you know what I mean. Wish they had an outtake of Communications Breakdown, one of my favorites!! Had a 4-6 LZ song vinyl EP, Atlantic Records label, that I thought was cool!! I guess I can wait!! Wasn't it Jimmy Page who was initially against "downloadable" music? At least with EMI, they gave radio stations multiple copies of The Beatles Remasters to give away!! Where's my free LZ? :) Take care!
Just a thought - why would anyone spend money on a live bootleg - when you can download online for free? (In a HD lossless format like FLAC - not crappy MP3 lossy format!) I have found many excellent live bootlegs - directly recorded from the soundboard, and all it costs is your time to find them....
that's right. i have all the shows/alternate versions of Led Zep and Pink Floyd ever recorded for free in FLAC format including most of the bonus stuff they are releasing now. I already have the previous remasters. I can't justify buying another re-re-master in CD format. I want the high rez 5.1 dvd-audio or blu-ray. Is Page and crew listening?
Hi Joseph! We, their fans, are being told the LZ material will be delayed, because radio, who only uses music for profit, received it first. I have many gripes how and where new and/or improved material is released. Like, with Steve Miller and Dave Clark (Five), only offered their material to the hoarders at iTunes. I really don't care to make Apple, Inc. a cent richer. Anyway, I'm only interested in the "Bonus" material. I enjoy, assuming it's not just fabricated "rough" mixes, hearing what songs could have sounded like. Actually, I am surprised that "All Of My Love", according to a bootleg CD, had so much tape hiss (what they overdubbed to). But nice to hear some studio talk and false start! :)
@John J. Agnew, Jr.-Would you settle for the mono mix of "Communication Breakdown?" Oh, yes, it DOES exist! To find it, you must explore an almost completely forgotten chapter of LZ's release history. Led Zeppelin released 10 singles in most countries. There were a few which were unique to a particular country, but there were 10 standard release singles which almost everybody got, including the US. To refresh your memory, here is the list: (1)Good Times Bad Times/Communication Breakdown (2)Whole Lotta Love/Living Loving Maid(She's Just A Woman) (3)Immigrant Song/Hey Hey What Can I Do (4)Black Dog/Misty Mountain Hop (5)Rock And Roll/Four Sticks (6)Over The Hills And Far Away/Dancing Days (7)D'Yer Mak'er/The Crunge (8)Trampled Under Foot/Black Country Woman (9)Candy Store Rock/Royal Orleans (10)Fool In The Rain/Hot Dog Singles 4-10 are just duplications of the stereo LP versions, so they are not needed. I Will come back to single 3 later. But, did you know that singles 1 and 2 were originally released in mono? But, the songs on single 2 were just folddowns of the stereo LP versions. Since you are a Beatles fan as well, you are aware that many of the tracks on the American Capitol LP's "Meet The Beatles," "The Beatles Second Album," "The Early Beatles," and "Help!" were just folddowns of the stereo versions, not separate mono mixes. A folddown is simply the combining of the two channels of the stereo mix. Since Led Zeppelin single 2 can be recreated on your own stereo equipment by either setting your stereo/mono switch to the mono position if you have one, or by connecting two y-adapters together if you don't, then single 2 is not a worthwhile rarity. Single 1 is the real gem. If you try to fold down the first LZ album, there is some strange quirk about the way it is mixed that makes folddowns sound all wrong throughout. In order to be released as a mono single, separate mono mixes had to be created. This was the only time in LZ history that this happened. The mono mixes were available only on early pressings of single 1. The stereo LP versions were substituted on later reissues even though the labels still said "CSG processed mono master." It is interesting to note that the stereo LP versions were never substituted on any pressing of single 2. It remained in its folddown form from 1969 until it was deleted in the early 1990's! As for single 3, the b-side "Hey Hey What Can I Do" should be included on an expanded version of the "Coda" album along with "Baby Come On Home." I am sure that this would not be a bad idea for "Hey Hey" because single releases of back catalog material from any artist is now an almost completely obsolete idea, and this track now NEEDS an album to call home. As for "Baby," I am sure it would have been included on the original "Coda" LP if Jimmy Page could only find the master tape! But, it remained hidden for 11 years longer because the tape box was labelled "New Yardbirds' not "Led Zeppelin." Also, both tracks should now be folded into the LP running order, not placed separately at the end as "bonus tracks" as they were on the 1993 box set "Led Zeppelin:The Complete Studio Recordings." The sequencing should be as follows: (1)We're Gonna Groove (2)Baby Come On Home (3)Poor Tom (4)Hey Hey What Can I Do (5)I Can't Quit You Baby -end LP side 1 (6)Walter's Walk -begin LP side 2 (7)Ozone Baby (8)Darlene (9)Bonzo's Montreux (10)Wearing And Tearing Both sides of single 1 and the combined drum solo edit from the 1990 box set, "Moby Dick/Bonzo's Montreux," would be worthwhile inclusions on the "Coda" bonus disc.
Doug, thanks for your impressive LZ knowledge. I'd be interested in, for example, Communications Breakdown, if it greatly differed from the album version, not just Mono or a clever edit. I had Whole Lotta Love single, I still remember where the edit was to this day. For (another) example, like Steppenwolf's, Magic Carpet Ride, the single vs album version was different, possibly a rerecording. Same with Loggins & Messina's, Thinking Of You hit, is another rerecording for album for unknown reasons, and so on a so on... Most artists would prefer to satisfy the majority, rather than change a "mix" (Stereo/Mono), even if it improved things, too many would complain. Thanks! :)
I have a Spanish 45 with Whole Lotta Love (edited version) backed with Communication Breakdown. Both are in mono and I don't hear any differences from the stereo versions so they're probably just fold-downs from the stereo mixes. I really enjoy the edited Whole Lotta Love better than the full version now. The guitar effects and Plant's wailing in the middle section bore me now. As for Steppenwolf's Magic Carpet Ride, I have a single from the ABC Goldies 45 series that runs 2:55 and it sounds like a mono edit of the LP track. However, I have a copy of Dick Bartley's On the Radio CD, Volume 1 that has Magic Carpet Ride. The liner notes say that this version was the original single and it definitely has a different lead vocal. According to comments from John Kay, he doesn't remember that and thinks the take in question could have been a leftover alternate vocal take. Since I no longer have an original Dunhill 45, I can't verify whether the Goldies 45 or the Bartley version were the real single from 1968.
Music4Me: Spanish version?!!! Now, I'm interested in that!!! I see you Nights In White Satin in Spanish and raise you Steppenwolf's, Born To Be Wild, in Stereo, with extended "whistle" ending! Oh, you mean just marketed in Spain! :)
One day I'll attempt to sync the stereo and single versions of Magic Carpet Ride to find if they are actually different lead vocals.
That's neat to have two favorites on that Spanish 45! Not on purpose, but I stole Whole Lotta Love 45 single when it first hit the airwaves. I got a Whole Lotta Music, for Free!! :)
@Music4Me, the "red flag" on "Communication Breakdown" is the length of the fade-out. On single 1, it is longer than on the stereo LP. If it were a straightforward folddown, the fade-out points on both versions would be identical. It may still be a folddown, but of a different master tape copy of the stereo version before the fade-out was slightly shortened. I believe that the full story of single 1 will not come to light until someone writes a Bruce-Spizer-like book about Led Zeppelin's American records and has the same access to Atlantic company memos that may be in some archive that Mr. Spizer was granted by Capitol when he wrote his Beatles book series.
@Agnew, did you know that Paul Revere And The Raiders released obviously different single- and LP- versions of "The Great Airplane Strike," "Too Much Talk," "Cinderella Sunshine," and "Let Me?" I definitely know what you are talking about there.
Not actually familiar with the three, but, no, Let Me is different?? I know Bob Irwin retro mixed to Stereo, and it now has an extended, instrumental ending!! Can you buy the single versions on CD? Great info, Doug! Thank you!
One back at you: Did you know many Creedence Clearwater Revival hit songs were shortened, and the only place you can find the actual studio endings, is from binary multi-tracks (made public) that you have to mix yourself? Unreal what you can find, besides CCR, that was not published!! Sound quality is sometimes better than audio CD! No LZ multi-tracks tough :-(
Doug, shame this longer single version "Communication Breakdown" isn't on (legit) CD! I'd like to hear that, Mono or Stereo!! One of my initial favorites! Thanks for the info!
Beatles songs? As I mentioned in another reply, these binary multi-tracks of (including) The Beatles creates questions, especially around Ringo's drumming! I understand it was not addresses in George Martin's book [probably because he never expected others to hear the individual tracks. But, thanks to Giles Martin, "we" have] ! :)
I have the original Dunhill 45. It's the same as the Dick Bartley version you mention, which he dubbed from an original vinyl single. Bartley's is the version that played on Top 40 stations at the time. Apparently, Dunhill dumped all their single masters, so the tape version is lost forever.
Interestingly, if you listen, you'll see that the lead vocal on the original single is different only on the first verse. The intro is much shorter than the LP version and doesn't fade up.