Living With Honour is a provocative and uncompromising exploration of how Paganism can provide the philosophical guidance to live honorably in a twenty-first Western society. Part One explores the history of Paganism, its undercurrents of anarchy, heresy, environmentalism and animism, finding its place within the history of Western philosophy. Part Two addresses key moral issues from that animistic perspective, beginning with the foundation of human relationships and attitudes towards the Other. It book explores how we value life, and firstly human life, looking at dying, suicide and euthanasia, birth, abortion and IVF. It then examines the human abuse of nonhuman animals, discussing sentience, personhood and inherent value. Finally, it focuses on current global crises, exploring need as opposed to desire.
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This is an excellent pioneering work, erudite, courageous and imaginative, that provides a new kind of ethics, linked to a newly appeared complex of religions, which are founded on some very old human truths. Professor Ronald Hutton, world expert on paganism and author of The Triumph of the Moon and many other titlesThis is a lively, sensible and careful attempt to make sense of some very confusing, and yet important, areas of modern thought. I particularly like the clear style and the attention that the author gives to parts of the historical background which are usually misunderstood. I think the book should interest a wide audience. Mary Midgley, philosopher, author of Science as Salvation and many other works
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Emma Restall Orr (aka Bobcat) is considered one of the most well-known Druids worldwide. She worked for the Order of Bards Ovates and Druids, was Joint Chief of the British Druid Order, and in 2002 created The Druid Network. In 2004, she founded Honouring the Ancient Dead, which advocates with heritage organisations around the issue of ancient and Pagan British human remains. She is a practising priest and teacher, and regularly lectures at universities and within the Pagan community.
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41 of 49 people found the following review helpful
By Tuckerby
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I have loved Orr's other books and looked forward to enjoying this one. It is perhaps the most intellectual of her volumes, discussing various philosophical ideas relating to ethics and morality, their influence on society, and asking hard questions about what it means to live one's beliefs rather than just express them. The early chapters lay the foundation by exploring philosophical concepts relevant to ethics and can make for tedious reading if you aren't that interested in the history of philosophical thought. This is, after all, supposed to be a book on Pagan ethics. The latter half of the book is arguably the more interesting, as Orr zeroes in on particular issues and applies the worldview she has crafted to such areas as suicide, euthanasia, use of animals for food, and environmental stewardship. Unfortunately, the second half also takes on more of a propagandist feel by using misleading and inaccurate statements to support Orr's positions. This, along with a pervasive criticism of all aspects of Western society (apparently, she finds nothing praiseworthy about it. Personally, I think modern dentistry and surgical techniques are two darn good advances) and a tendency to make broad statements without citing any supporting evidence, completely put me off this book.
Let me be clear, it isn't the underlying positions themselves that I take issue with. I actually agree with many of them, and where I don't, I still respect her point of view. Rather, it is her use of unfounded assertions and distorted or inaccurate information that bothers me. Just a few examples: out of the blue, she claims that telecommunications companies are "corrupt," but doesn't explain why she thinks this. She writes that "protests against corporate abuses of the environment," (among other things) "have been squashed as compromising national security," but provides no justification for this position. In addition to the general comments, some of her more specific statements do not hold up under investigation. She says that calves are castrated without anesthesia, yet a websearch revealed that in the UK, anesthesia is required when they are older than two months, and that many European countries require anesthesia at any age. She also doesn't mention that non-surgical methods exist which don't necessitate anesthesia. She claims that excessive protein consumption causes kidney disease, obesity, and calcium deficiency, when in fact, protein causes NONE of these. High protein diets are only a problem for people who already have kidney dysfunction. Healthy kidneys can handle it. The dietary culprit involved with obesity is excessive intake of sugars and fats, which pack a large number of calories in small doses, and, in the case of high fructose corn syrup, is problematic for the body to metabolize. Calcium-deficiency is caused by inadequate intake. Here, Orr is confusing calcium deficiency with bone loss, which does occur with high protein diets, but only when calcium consumption is too low. Research has shown that in the presence of sufficient calcium (800-1200mg per day), bone density actually increases with a high protein diet because protein stimulates the production of cells that create new bone. My point with all this is that Orr makes a number of assertions in this book that are debatable if not outright wrong.
"Living with Honor" started out as a promising treatise on ethics, morality, and honorable Pagan living, but is ultimately marred by her bias against Western society and numerous instances of distorted and unproven assertions. I give it three stars for the premise, but otherwise did not like the book.
Let me be clear, it isn't the underlying positions themselves that I take issue with. I actually agree with many of them, and where I don't, I still respect her point of view. Rather, it is her use of unfounded assertions and distorted or inaccurate information that bothers me. Just a few examples: out of the blue, she claims that telecommunications companies are "corrupt," but doesn't explain why she thinks this. She writes that "protests against corporate abuses of the environment," (among other things) "have been squashed as compromising national security," but provides no justification for this position. In addition to the general comments, some of her more specific statements do not hold up under investigation. She says that calves are castrated without anesthesia, yet a websearch revealed that in the UK, anesthesia is required when they are older than two months, and that many European countries require anesthesia at any age. She also doesn't mention that non-surgical methods exist which don't necessitate anesthesia. She claims that excessive protein consumption causes kidney disease, obesity, and calcium deficiency, when in fact, protein causes NONE of these. High protein diets are only a problem for people who already have kidney dysfunction. Healthy kidneys can handle it. The dietary culprit involved with obesity is excessive intake of sugars and fats, which pack a large number of calories in small doses, and, in the case of high fructose corn syrup, is problematic for the body to metabolize. Calcium-deficiency is caused by inadequate intake. Here, Orr is confusing calcium deficiency with bone loss, which does occur with high protein diets, but only when calcium consumption is too low. Research has shown that in the presence of sufficient calcium (800-1200mg per day), bone density actually increases with a high protein diet because protein stimulates the production of cells that create new bone. My point with all this is that Orr makes a number of assertions in this book that are debatable if not outright wrong.
"Living with Honor" started out as a promising treatise on ethics, morality, and honorable Pagan living, but is ultimately marred by her bias against Western society and numerous instances of distorted and unproven assertions. I give it three stars for the premise, but otherwise did not like the book.
11 of 14 people found the following review helpful
By Greycat
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My first thought on stepping into 'Living with Honour' was that so many contemporary members of pagan society are NOT going to like this book. It is indeed sorely needed, as it challenges the current trend for woolly thinking and blindly following 'tradition' (spiritual, political and social). It demands from the first that any readers WILL pay attention and relate the questions being asked to their own situations, in order that they may truly live with honour, plotting an honest and unique path through the tangles of modern life.
Without going into too much unnecessary academic detail, the book takes us on a journey through traditional modes of thinking, so ingrained that we don't even notice them but which are instantly familiar. The reader is inspired to ask themselves why they hold their beliefs, from everyday issues to deep fundamental philosophies of life. Pagan 'traditions' (old and new) are naturally a yardstick, but the need to question is paramount, to investigate in a manner that should be familiar from Bobcat's previous work, but which is easy to forget when stuck in a 'normal' 21st century environment.
It takes time to absorb - regular pauses are necessary during reading, to go away, consider, sometimes come to realizations, and then continue. So much is contained in these pages, that a second reading is already on the cards!
Emma's Paganism demands to be lived, with all of its pitfalls and promise. It is not light and easy, but can be dark, bloody and difficult - but then, so is life. While her previous works were guidebooks, this takes the next step, asking the hard questions that must be addressed if we are to live in a truly 'pagan' way, with everything that entails. As representatives of our beliefs, and so of our own selves, ancestors and land, we cannot live by blinding obeying as we are told. We make our ethics, and this book gives us the equipment with which to do so.
Is it worth it? Absolutely.
Without going into too much unnecessary academic detail, the book takes us on a journey through traditional modes of thinking, so ingrained that we don't even notice them but which are instantly familiar. The reader is inspired to ask themselves why they hold their beliefs, from everyday issues to deep fundamental philosophies of life. Pagan 'traditions' (old and new) are naturally a yardstick, but the need to question is paramount, to investigate in a manner that should be familiar from Bobcat's previous work, but which is easy to forget when stuck in a 'normal' 21st century environment.
It takes time to absorb - regular pauses are necessary during reading, to go away, consider, sometimes come to realizations, and then continue. So much is contained in these pages, that a second reading is already on the cards!
Emma's Paganism demands to be lived, with all of its pitfalls and promise. It is not light and easy, but can be dark, bloody and difficult - but then, so is life. While her previous works were guidebooks, this takes the next step, asking the hard questions that must be addressed if we are to live in a truly 'pagan' way, with everything that entails. As representatives of our beliefs, and so of our own selves, ancestors and land, we cannot live by blinding obeying as we are told. We make our ethics, and this book gives us the equipment with which to do so.
Is it worth it? Absolutely.
Format:Paperback
A strange title for a review I know, but hear me out.
This book has views that some in modern society might view as "radical." The call for planet-based diets, the position that protest is integral to our survival, and the idea that the progress of our environment is essentially tied to our very souls. All things I love! Because I already agreed with everything she takes a stand on (especially the call for veganism, which I think all Pagans need to take heed to) so it was probably a little easier for me to read than others. Folks who don't already share these views might find themselves frustrated with trying to adopt more honorable practices. Good! Get mad. get frustrated. But DO something - anything. Orr does a great job at empowering people to make changes in their lives that can enrich the planet and our beings.
Possible controversial, but certainly very needed.
Nota bene- I had the chance to interview Orr a few years ago on vegan paganism and I can tell you that she really practices what she preaches. Send her a note if you have questions about her work. She's a delightful person to correspond with.
This book has views that some in modern society might view as "radical." The call for planet-based diets, the position that protest is integral to our survival, and the idea that the progress of our environment is essentially tied to our very souls. All things I love! Because I already agreed with everything she takes a stand on (especially the call for veganism, which I think all Pagans need to take heed to) so it was probably a little easier for me to read than others. Folks who don't already share these views might find themselves frustrated with trying to adopt more honorable practices. Good! Get mad. get frustrated. But DO something - anything. Orr does a great job at empowering people to make changes in their lives that can enrich the planet and our beings.
Possible controversial, but certainly very needed.
Nota bene- I had the chance to interview Orr a few years ago on vegan paganism and I can tell you that she really practices what she preaches. Send her a note if you have questions about her work. She's a delightful person to correspond with.
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Living With Honour: A Pagan Ethics
In her extremely well-written book, Living with Honour, Emma Restall Orr unveils a new depth of Paganism that amply provides much needed insight for today's world. Read more
Published 9 months ago by D. Joseph Jacques
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Brilliant, pioneering and uncomfortable!
If you're looking for a book that tells you how to be a Pagan, which postures to strike and which attitudes to engender then look elsewhere. Read more
Published on October 2, 2008 by Trevor Greenfield
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Written with Honour
Emma Restall Orr has presented us with a marvel of a book, at the same time scholarly and spiritual, that accomplishes several broad tasks at once: First, she offers Pagans the... Read more
Published on May 15, 2008 by Walter W. Melnyk
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To go where no Pagan has gone before...
I received my copy of 'Living with Honour, a Pagan Ethics' by Emma Restall Orr. She is a 20+ year druid of OBOD and has written an incredible book on the values and ethics of... Read more
Published on April 15, 2008 by K. Webster
