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Logitech G5 Laser Mouse (931376-0403)

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I have been using Microsoft Intellimouse for many years, both at home and at work. The problem has always been that my right hand ring finger would hang off the side of the mouse and drag on the mouse pad. After many years of gaming and working abuse, my fingers have developed different forms of tendentious. Currently, it affects my ring finger the most, simply because it sits so much lower than my other fingers. This started my search for a new, more comfortable mouse.

It is well known that computer products designed for gamers are also designed with ergonomics in mind. The gamer is known to play for hours - the mouse needs to be able to support the hand position and its movement for all those hours. I chose the Logitech G5 for many reasons. First, the shape of the mouse now puts my irritated ring finger on the mouse itself - it no longer drags on the side. The mouse happens to be shaped better for my hand, so I cup the entire thing. This removed the necessity for severe wrist movement while operating the mouse. I can use my arm more than anything.

A few things separate this mouse from anything else I have every used. First, it is a laser mouse. It is leaps and bounds above an optical mouse. It is capable of 2000 dpi, which is an extremely fast movement - faster than anyone really needs. But at about 800 dpi, the mouse is perfect to control. Since the dpi is customizable, you can configure it to your liking. The bottom line is that you don't need much effort to move this mouse to where you want to go. This saves countless amounts of stress on your arm and hand as you work the computer. Less effort = less stress. So far, I can play a game for hours without my ring finger throbbing in pain.

This mouse also has a dpi control feature. You can use the software to set up to 5 dpi settings, which means you can change the sensitivity of the mouse on the fly. Playing a first person game with a sniper rifle and want absolute control? Drop it down a few dpi. Working in Photoshop doing pixel by pixel touch up or working on the details in Autocad? Drop the dpi down a notch. Want to speed up for web surfing? Click the button up and your mouse will go much faster. You can set any dpi by using the software and change its mode whenever and wherever you need it by using the buttons on the mouse.

The mouse wheel is a typical wheel, but with the added feature of left and right movement. Now you can scroll left and right and up and down within one web page. This is also very useful in Photoshop and the web.

The mouse also comes with a weight control system. I thought this was a gimmick, but it turns out to be very clever. You can add weight to a cartridge then slip it into the mouse to make it heavier. Some people, especially those who are used to wireless mice will find that this makes it feel like there are batteries. Personally, I keep the cartridge empty, but I like the option and it very well designed. If I want to make it heavier for very precise work (like Photoshop), it will only take seconds to make the mouse heavier.

One reviewer who wrote about this product gave it a bad review because of how the mouse worked within games. His arguments are somewhat valid. If you start a game, it will only recognize the two main mouse buttons (left and right). However, if you explore the mouse software and all its abilities, you will find that you CAN customize the mouse and its buttons and have it work in any game (even the thumb button). You do this by going to the Advanced Game Settings and actually finding the .EXE file that runs the game. Adding it to the list will unlock all the mouse functions within the game. I don't know why Logitech made it this way, and it is certainly a pain-in-the-neck to do for each game, but I know it works and I don't want people to not buy this fantastic mouse because of what was previously written. In addition, the person reviewing this mouse stated that he was missing his targets and icons on his computer. That has happened to me too, and I found that if you turn off "mouse acceleration" and the "smart mouse" options, the mouse moves at a legitimate speed. Once I turned those off, I can hit my target with precision.

The bottom line is that the mouse software is very complex and needs to be explored in order to get the full potential from this mouse. Most gamers will be able to do this and Logitech does provide a help button on every menu. Once configured, this is a dream mouse. It is easy to use and contoured perfectly for my hand. If you are looking for a mouse to help ease your pain, then this is it. If you are looking for a mouse to increase your gaming performance, than buy this mouse now. I have already increased my accuracy in Half-Life 2 and F.E.A.R. because of the laser and the control over the dpi. I have been very happy with the mouse and I recommend it to all PC users. The only negative - it does not come with MAC OSX software and Logitech does not have any of their website, so I will have to wait to upgrade my mouse at work. Otherwise, this is a perfect mouse - well designed, well made, and very, very precise.

I bought one G5, after reading the review on Tom's Hardware site, for a new PC I was assembling at home. After using it for a single evening, I ordered a second one to put on my PC at work. So, I liked it well enough to spend my own money to replace the mouse on the Dell PCs my employer buys. If you prefer cordless mice, the G7 (cordless) version is coming soon (as I write this in October 2005). If you remember the switch from mice with balls to the first optical mice, you know what an improvement that was. I think the G5 laser mouse is just as big a further improvement in speed and feel. Being able to change the speed with buttons right on the mouse is very nice if you switch between games that need quick response and photo editing where you want slower speed and very fine precision.

Started out with a Microsoft Intellimouse v3, then graduated to a logitech 510 and finally to the G5. Everything about this mouse is perfect for games

Pros
-laser, 2000dpi, 6.4 megapixel processing
-can be used on almost any surface
-great grip
-adjustable weighting
-on the fly sensitivity changing
-scroll wheel also tilts
-software is simple yet robust
-mouse feet are super slick for good gliding
-even the cord is really great

Cons
-can't go back to using older mice after you've tried this one out

I tested both extensively on Counter-strike Source. They are both great mice. Preference depends on whether you use "finger" control (Razor) or "palm" control (G5). Using "palm" style with the Razor results in over-shooting your target or jitters due to the light weight and smaller teflon pads (ie. lower coefficient of friction). Using "finger" style with the Razor tends to cramp your hand faster. Also, if you're a "finger" player, you're also gonna have to stretch to reach the scroll with your fore-finger (since your hand is set back farther on the mouse). This leads to a feeling of uncertainty when you're playing. Another drawback of the Razor is that you can accidentally press the thumb button if your thumb slips off the left rail.

Since I am a "palm" player, I naturally prefer the G5. The heavier weight and larger teflon pads have just the right amount of friction to prevent the "jitters" (often caused by the cord). It feels more stable under my hand and also gives you that feeling of accuracy/momentum (for those multiple head-shot kills). The scroll is also better positioned for a strong roll in either direction (I use it for zoom in/out). The DPI switch is more accessible on the G5. I also like the added assurance given by the LED DPI indicator. The single thumb button is well within reach but far enough away so that you don't press it accidentally.

I have gone through countless mouses in the past. This is the best one I have ever owned. If you are like me and spend 10-12 hours in front of the computer per day doing everything like work, games and graphics, this mouse is worth every penny.

I find the Logitech G5 to be a good mouse, but far from perfect. Compared to my trusty Logitech MX500, the G5 seems noticeably more precise - the main reason why I wanted to get one in the first place. Now, I can hardly fault the mouse for lousy aiming in FPS games! Unfortunately, the tilting scroll wheel, while neat in theory, is flawed in execution. While I have hardly used the tilting function at all, I can say that the 'normal' scrolling action is a disappointment.

First of all, it takes a bit of force to press the scroll wheel down (for use as a middle mouse button). Normally, this wouldn't be too bad - I could get used to it. The problem is: it's easy to tilt or scroll the wheel while pressing down on it. The tactile feel of accidently tilting the wheel is also similar to that of pressing the middle mouse button - which sometimes causes me to not click the middle mouse button. All of this really messes me up in games and web browsing since I use the middle mouse button often.

Fortunately, the scroll wheel isn't smooth scrolling like most Microsoft mice - you can feel the notches while scrolling like you could a standard non-tilt-wheel mouse. This is very important to me as a gamer. Unfortunately, the scroll wheel is very imprecise. Normally, the scrolling should happen every time you scroll the wheel a notch. Considering that the G5 is a gaming mouse, precision is important and the scrolling action should happen at a fairly precise moment when spinning the wheel. However, every 10-15 notches, it would often stop scrolling for a notch. Or it might scroll without even spinning the wheel through a notch. For a premium gaming mouse, this is unacceptable.

Finally, I miss having the second thumb button (which is present on the MX500). I understand why Logitech might have removed it - it wasn't the easiest button to reach. However, it was a button that I could've (and would have) used. It's not like it was in the way, so why get rid of it?

All in all, the Logitech G5 is a decent mouse if you can live with a less than stellar scroll wheel. As for me, I'm going to see if I can pick up an MX518 and hope that its standard wheel will lack the quirkiness of the G5. If all else fails, I could just go back to the MX500...

For some reason, optical mice never worked out for me; it seems like regardless of the surface I use them on, they've always given me tracking problems at one point or another, sometimes to the point that using my optical mouse was about as bad as using a mechanical mouse with a gunked-up ball. I seem to be the only person I know with this problem, though; everyone else I know thinks optical mice are a godsend but somehow I've just found them to have their own set of annoying frustrations.

In any case, I decided to give this laser mouse a go, and I'm pleased. Aside from the flawless tracking that this mouse provides, it's got a very solid feel to it. And after I got the very buggy software it comes with to work, I appreciated the 10 buttons it provided me for playing World of Warcraft.

The software, dubbed "SetPoint", is a pain to use. Out-of-the-box, WoW wouldn't recognize any of the buttons other than the standard ones, which was understandable, but once I configured the SetPoint software to have the extra buttons simulate keystrokes, WoW still wouldn't recognize them. After doing some hunting online, I found out that a new major version of SetPoint had been released, yet oddly enough the "check for updates" feature of my SetPoint software disagreed, so I had to manually download the 45mb installer from Logitech's website.

Upgrading didn't fix my problem, unfortunately. After fiddling around with the plethora of confusing settings and scouring the internet for hints, I eventually found that I needed to enable "Game Detection" but disable "Apply Game Settings when a game is detected", as useless a combination as that seemed. Doing this made my extra buttons work but broke my middle mouse button, causing World of Warcraft to freeze for 2 seconds every time I pressed it. Then I found out that I had to remap "Button 3" from "Zoom" to "Generic Button" in the "All Programs" configuration, while keeping that same button mapped to "Zoom" in the "World of Warcraft" configuration.

All that annoyance aside, though, I guess I'd still recommend the mouse overall, because once you spend an hour or two getting past the confusing configuration, the mouse works great.

------UPDATE 10/8/2010---------
I have now tried virtually every gaming mouse on the market. Honestly, I keep going back to the G5 even after 5 years of use, it's going strong. This is seriously the best mouse I have ever purchased, I just didn't realize how great it was at first until I wasted tons of money on razer/micosoft gaming mice over the years. I now have a collection of about 20 mice that don't even come close to how well this thing is built... just BUY IT! You will NEVER find a better mouse than this... but if you do, let me know. haha
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I am a gamer. I've had this mouse for over 4 months. I didn't just try it for a day, feel it in the store or "see" someone who had it. I've played with it extensively in fps games, mostly my oooold favorite Quake 3. I'm also a graphics artist/web designer.

Ok, let's get down to business.

Ergonomics:

The shape of this mouse is fairly comfortable; much more comfy than your typical Microsoft optical mouse. It fits the hand well, and my hand never cramped up even after 14 straight hours of use. Although the shape is great, the Logitech MX 510 is WAY more comfortable than even this one. Even with all the weights out, it is still 30 grams heavier than the Logitech MX 518, its predecessor. I personally think this mouse is too heavy even without any of the weights. More on that later.
This mouse only has one thumb button. I use this button as a shortcut to the back button when internet browsing, and it does come in handy in a few games. I never used both of the buttons on my previous mice, so I could care less that there's only one. I welcome this change, because I don't have to feel for which one I am pushing. I push it, it works, I'm happy.

Texture:

The texture on this mouse is supposed to be a no slip grip. I say supposed to be because it's just the opposite. The strange black rubber coating makes the mouse feel as though it was constantly dusty and it's just horrible for fps games. I have to hold the mouse with a lot of pressure for it not to slip and react to every little finger movement.

Size:

I have medium sized hands and the size is perfect for my hands. My fingers don't over reach the mouse, and neither my thumb, nor my pinky finger, drag on the mouse pad.

Appearance:

Let's face it, this is an ugly mouse in comparison to all the other gaming mice out there. It gets the job done, but not with a lot of style.

2000 dpi laser engine:

I feel that it is an absolute necessity if you're using dual monitors like I am. I use the mouse on the highest dpi (2000) but I have removed the acceleration completely because it increases accuracy. It takes getting used to, but it's well worth it.
Looking at the mouse from the bottom, you'll notice that the laser is not centered. I believe that this is a major flaw that no one seems to comment on. When using a mouse, you don't just use your wrist, you also use your fingers for rotating the mouse. This is quite awkward to do with the laser not being in the center as it will not behave in a natural manner.
The BEST feature for gaming about this laser technology is that you only need to lift the mouse maybe a third of an inch off the pad when repositioning the mouse before it loses tracking. This is a reallllly good thing for fps. When you need to turn around quickly or put that crosshair on your target, you don't want to be lifting your arm in the air when repositioning.

sensitivity switching :

Your brain needs to get used to the speed of the mouse in fps games so that you can move without thinking and with perfect accuracy. Switching the dpi destroys this conditioning process and could actually harm your skillz.
I do however use it constantly when working on graphics, and that's where this feature REALLY shines. I can work a lot faster due to the fact that I don't waste time squinting, sticking my tongue out and hoping to get the pixel I want.

Adjustable weight cartridge:

As I've stated earlier, this mouse is already too heavy without any of these weights. Why would anyone want to make it even heavier? The lighter the mouse, the less pressure you have to apply to move it, the longer you can work or play without fatigue. It IS a gimmick, and just because it's cool doesn't mean it's really good for anything other than to show off.

Conclusion:

I would say that if this mouse looked like and felt like the Logitech MX 510, and weighed 30 grams less, it would be THE best mouse in the world. Unfortunately, it has some flaws that cannot be overlooked, the biggest of which is the grip. Pricy, but you get what you pay for; it really is precise and smooth. It's well packaged, the software is easy to use, and the mouse is very reliable.

I've been playing around on computers for over ten years. Never in that time had I thought that I would ever buy a "specialty" mouse and keyboard (Keyboard Reviewed Elsewhere). However, with my long time attraction (addiction) to COD-UO, a "First Person Shooter" game, and a cheap failing wireless mouse and keyboard setup, it was time to get serious about my gaming equipment and spend $40-$50 on a laser mouse if I was going to take my gaming to the next level.

I have heard rave reviews about the Logitech G7 cordless gaming mouse, I made the choice to get "wired" this time with the Logitech G5 Laser Gaming Mouse for two reasons. First, my headphone cable would cause interference, and sometimes a drop in signal if its cord was too close to my old wireless keyboard, giving me an overall mistrust in wireless systems in general and causing a great deal of head movement trying to find the sweet spot where everything would worked properly. Second, I have enough items that require recharging around here already and since I don't intend to be moving my setup around much, a wired system would just bring me more inner comfort. ;-)

So, after much research I decided to give the Logitech G5 Laser Gaming Mouse a go and I can say that I am very pleased with the decision. Aside from the flawless tracking that this laser mouse provides, it's got a very solid feel to it. The mouse is shaped better for my large hand, so I can cup the entire thing comfortably. The shape of the G5 puts my ring finger on the mouse itself so that it no longer drags alongside of the mouse like with my previous mouse. It has a rubberized coating along each side that increases gripping potential, plus the sides are grooved to fit your thumb on one side and your pinky finger on the other, making it very easy to lift it up off of whatever surface you're using for a mouse pad and repositioning it. You'll find the texture to be a little strange feeling at first, but you'll get used to it quickly.

This mouse also has a dpi (Dots Per Inch) control feature. You can use the software to get up to 5 dpi settings, which means you can change the sensitivity of the mouse on the fly. It is capable of a maximum 2000 dpi, which is an extremely fast movement - faster than anyone really needs, But at about 800 dpi, the mouse is perfect to control. Playing a first person shooter game with a sniper rifle and want absolute control? Drop it down a few dpi. Working in Paint Shop Pro doing pixel by pixel touch up? Drop the dpi down a notch. Want to speed up for web surfing? Click the button up and your mouse will go much faster. You can set any dpi by using the software and changing its mode whenever and wherever you need it by using the convenient buttons on the mouse. Being able to change the speed with buttons right on the mouse is very nice if you switch between games that need quick response and photo editing where you want slower speed and very fine precision.

This mouse only has one thumb button. I use this button as a back button when Internet browsing. It can also be programmed for other functions for gaming. I never used both of the buttons on my previous mice, so I could care less that there's only one on the G5. I welcome this change, because I don't have to feel for which one I am pushing. I push it, it works, I'm happy. And the position is perfect, easy to reach with my thumb, but yet not in the way and accidentally being pushed in the middle of a game or other activity like with my old mouse.

The mouse also comes with a weight control system. OK, I thought this was a gimmick at first, but it turns out to be very ingenious. You can add weight to a cartridge then slip it into the mouse to make it heavier. Some people, especially those who are used to wireless mice, will find that this makes it feel more like the weight of a battery operated mouse. Personally, I'm still playing with the weights trying to find the prefect balance. Mostly I keep the cartridge loaded with the heavier weights, at least for now. It gives me more control for very precise work (like Paint Shop Pro or sniping), and gives it the same heft as my previous wireless mouse that had a couple AA batteries inside.

The mouse wheel is a typical wheel, but with the added feature of left and right movement. Now you can scroll left and right and up and down within one web page. The wheel button does seem to take a little more pressure to operate, and it lacks a reassuring "click" when you depress it, but that's a minor issue that you'll get used too swiftly.

I actually like the mouse cord (gasp!). It's well made and very tough with a woven fabric outer sheath and a low-profile USB connector. If you have pets that like to chew on your cords this extra tough protection just might help keep your mouse alive.

Polytetrafluoroethylene gaming feet? OK, I can't pronounce it either, but I can tell you that it's slicker then snot on a brass doorknob!


Summary:

This is as near the perfect mouse as you're likely to find! Well designed, well made, and very, very precise. Computer products designed for gamers are also designed with ergonomics in mind. The computer gamer is known to play for hours and the mouse needs to be able to support the hand position and its movement for all those hours. Not an easy task by any standards but Logitech hit a home run with the G5 Laser Gaming Mouse. I can't believe I used to use that other piece of garbage. :-)


Update: 12/11/07
This thing is still going strong after nearly a year of constant use and I love it!

Update: 11/25/08
I love it as much as the day I received it! It's still going strong and I haven't encountered a single problem with it.

Update: 10/09/09
It's still going strong and I haven't encountered a single problem with it.

(UPDATED Sept 20 2007)

Logitech categorizes the G5 and G7 as "gaming mice," but they are not only for gamers. If you need a flexible, highly responsive mouse that is effortless to use, they may suit your needs well for both games and other programs. With the release of SetPoint 4.00, Logitech now supports XP, Vista, and (with version 3.10) some older versions of Windows. But: the most important advantages of the mouse do not require the software, so you will benefit from using this mouse on Mac or Linux as well.

The difference between G5 and G7 seems to be limited to the wireless (radio-controlled, not IR) feature and a battery indicator in the G7 (G5 does not need batteries). Where the G7 has a battery, the G5 has a tray that holds weights to make it heavier. Because my keyboard has a USB port in the back-right, the G5 works well for me in the office.

The Basic Mouse

The bottom pads are very slick, so it slides around the desk surface smoothly and with very little drag. The shape and design with side contours fits my hand very well, requiring almost no pressure of my fingers to hold it firmly. The mouse moves effortlessly with minimal exertion. While I have never had carpal tunnel syndrome, I guess that this mouse is less likely to cause it than others I have tried.

If you find the G5 mouse too light, or if it slides around too freely for your taste, a unique feature is a small tray of weights that you can place into the bottom. You can use up to 8 weights, and they supply 8 each of 1.7 and 4.5 grams, so you add weight from between about 1.7 to 36 grams (36 grams is about 1.25 oz). The additional weight increases the sliding friction and amount of exertion to move it noticeably. Having tried with and without weights, I like it better without, but you can have it your way.

The buttons require just the right amount of pressure and distance to click. If it required less, I would trigger accidental clicks more often (like I did with my old mouse). If it required more, there would be more exertion required to click. While the required pressure is not adjustable (it is a mechanical function), I think they got this at exactly the right balance for most people. There is a small amount of tactile feedback and a small, audible "click," again exactly the right amount for ease of use.

When you plug it in to the USB, the mouse powers on and initializes to the mid-sensitivity setting (800dpi resolution). With no software installed, you can switch the resolution between three pre-configured 400dpi, 800dpi, and 2000 dpi sensitivity settings using the + and - buttons located just below the scroll wheel, and there are small indicator lights on the mouse to tell you the current setting. With some practice, it should be easy to switch settings without looking, useful while playing real-time games that demand a lot of attention.

400dpi requires a fair amount of movement of the mouse to move the cursor. This setting is the same as the older Microsoft Intellimouse I've used for a few years. Of course you can use the Windows Control Panel to adjust how much the cursor moves for a given mouse movement, and you can introduce "acceleration" as well. 400dpi might be useful for some detail work.

800dpi, the "normal" setting (the one you get when you power it up with no software installed), makes the mouse a bit more zippy than my old Intellimouse, because it is twice the sensitivity. I find this mode suitable for my regular work and most games.

2000dpi is the highest sensitivity setting. Small movements of the mouse cause greater movement of the cursor. You could turn down the mouse movement in the control panel, resulting in small movement with high precision, though in practice, I find it easier to use a lower resolution with normal settings in the control panel.

All of this is without any software installed, so you can expect these advantages on systems where Logitech does not supply control software - Linux, Mac, or any version of Windows other than XP and 2000 SP4. I expect and hope they will support Windows Vista soon. Assuming your operating system supports it, the left and right mouse buttons and the scroll-wheel (which also works as a middle button) should work.

SetPoint: The Configuration Software

My mouse arrived with old (v2.4) SetPoint (mouse settings) software, but at this writing version 4.0 is current, and there are versions for both 32-bit and 64-bit XP and Vista. Version 3.10 is available for Windows 2000, ME, 98. You should download and use the latest version from Logitech's support area. While SetPoint adds useful features, the most important advantages of this mouse are available without SetPoint installed.

For most devices that can be adjusted, installing the drivers or support software causes additions to the Control Panel. SetPoint installs as a separate program. I consider this to be an insignificant flaw.

When I explored SetPoint, the first thing I noticed was that all but left and right buttons can be programmed for other purposes than click. You can reprogram the sensitivity + and - buttons, for example for forward or back functions for a browser, a keystroke assignment, or any of a long-list of special-purpose buttons (close, copy, paste, page up or down, disable, and several others). You can reprogram two "generic buttons" to a variety of purposes - though this puzzles me, as I only see one other button, the arrow button on the left side, that might be affected, and I have not experimented yet.

It also allows you to adjust the responsiveness of the mouse via Pointer Speed and Acceleration, add and adjust pointer trails or enable "Smart Move", the scrolling amount... nearly any way I could think of adjusting the mouse. SetPoint can detect that you are playing games, and use special settings that only applies to these games.

Then I was surprised to discover that in the Advanced Game settings, the three default mouse sensitivities can be changed to any value between 400dpi and 2000dpi, in 50dpi increments. You can also enable two additional sensitivity settings (for a maximum of 5), or disable settings, so that the + and - buttons cycle between 1 and 5 settings. The three lights on the mouse indicate all five modes in an intuitive fashion. You can even adjust X and Y resolution settings independent of each other, so that it is 400dpi vertical but 2000dpi horizontal, for example. You can enable notification of changing the sensitivity, in which case a sound is played when you click the + or - buttons.

I love the flexibility of the configurations in SetPoint, and I will use some of these features, but for me the main value of the mouse is in the basic mouse features, so don't worry if SetPoint does not work for your operating system.

Cons

I am an adult male with average-size hands, am right-handed, and have no carpal tunnel syndrome; the mouse seems perfectly designed for me. This suggests that it might not be as well-suited for some others. Unless they introduce a left-handed version, the design of the mouse will probably not be suited to left-handed people; such people should look for left-handed mice, or symmetrical mice such as the G3. The mouse could be a bit large for younger children or others with small hands.

The G5 and especially the G7 are more expensive than many other mice. Since I use the computer a lot, and this mouse improves accuracy and ease of use, the cost is justified for me.

You can't use the G7 during most plane flights because of restrictions on RF devices.

SetPoint configuration software is only provided for Windows 2000 and XP at the time I wrote this, though the basic mouse features should work in other systems that support mice.

Some people may prefer more buttons, but for me the G5 and G7 are just right.

The paint design on the G5 seems odd to me (YMMV), and I prefer the look of the G7, but function wins over form.

Conclusions

PC Magazine calls this the best mouse ever, and other reviewers call it the perfect mouse. I can only agree wholeheartedly that this is true for me; I remember saying "WOW!" the first time I used it, and that was before I looked at the configuration software, which got another "Wow." For my purposes, there is nothing about it I would change, and there are no features I can think of that would improve my use of this mouse. It is among the most flexible and tuneable mice I have seen, both mechanically and electronically.

Unless you are left-handed, have especially small hands, etc, I don't think you can go wrong with this mouse.