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Book Description

April 18, 2004 0735714258 978-0735714250 1
Ready to commit to using more CSS on your sites?  If you are a hands-on
learner who has been toying with CSS and want to experiment with real-world
projects that will enable you to see how CSS can help resolve design issues,
this book is written just for you! CSS master Eric A. Meyer has picked up
where Eric Meyer on CSS: Mastering the Language of Web Design left off.  He
has compiled 10 new, highly useful projects designed to encourage you to
incorporate CSS into your sites and take advantage of the design
flexibility, increased accessibility, decreased page weight, and cool visual
effects CSS offers.

Each project is laid out in an easy-to-follow, full color format complete
with notes, warnings, and sidebars to help you learn through example rather
than theory.  Some of the concepts covered include:

• Converting an HTML-based design to a pure positioning layout
• Styling a photo gallery
• Using background images to achieve cross-browser translucency effects
• Using lists of links to create tabs and drop down menus without the use of
• Styling weblog entries, and placing them in a full-page design
• Creating a design for the CSS Zen Garden

Editorial Reviews Review

Web designers loved Eric Meyer on CSS, which proved that a book could be both technically competent (it explained Cascading Style Sheets clearly) and aesthetically astute (printed in color, the book showed off Meyer's work brilliantly). More Eric Meyer on CSS picks up where the original book ended, going into detail on a score of important Web-design tasks. As he did with his first book, Meyer has had this one laid out in a broad-page format, with many illustrations, and printed in full color. The net effect is that readers see the design effects of the CSS tweaks under discussion, and there's no need to imagine (or load code) to see how colors and shadings look when rendered in a browser. Appealingly, this book is oriented around typical design projects (such as annual financial reports, weblogs, and personal homepages) and widely used design features (including menus and index tabs). This structure ensures the utility of Meyer's book--you can just turn to the chapter that deals with whatever you're trying to build, and see what the author did in a similar situation. Each section involves far more prose than code; Meyer is very careful to spend more time explaining what he's doing than he spends actually doing it, and the reader is never overwhelmed by giant CSS listings. Numerous screen shots intersperse the code and commentary, allowing you to see the intermediate results of style sheets in progress and adapt Meyer's beginnings in order to achieve different ends.--David Wall

About the Author

Eric A. Meyer has been working with the Web since late 1993 and is an internationally recognized expert on the subjects of HTML, CSS, and Web standards. A widely read author, he is also the founder of Complex Spiral Consulting (, which focuses on helping clients save money and increase efficiency through the use of standards-oriented Web design techniques and counts Macromedia and Wells Fargo Bank among its clients.

Beginning in early 1994, Eric was the visual designer and campus Web coordinator for Case Western Reserve University Web site, where he also authored a widely acclaimed series of three HTML tutorials and was project coordinator for the online version of the Encyclopedia of Cleveland History combined with the Dictionary of Cleveland Biography (, the first example of an encyclopedia of urban history being fully and freely published on the Web.

Author of Eric Meyer on CSS: Mastering the Language of Web Design (New Riders), Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide (O'Reilly & Associates), and CSS2.0 Programmer's Reference (Osborne/McGraw-Hill), as well as numerous articles for the O'Reilly Network, Web Techniques, and Web Review, Eric also created the CSS Browser Compatibility Charts and coordinated the authoring and creation of the W3C's official CSS Test Suite. He has lectured to a wide variety of organizations, including Los Alamos National Laboratory, the New York Public Library, Cornell University, and the University of Northern Iowa. Eric has also delivered addresses and technical presentations at numerous conferences, among them the IW3C2 WWW series, Web Design World, CMP, SXSW, the User Interface conference series, and The Other Dreamweaver Conference.

In his personal time, Eric acts as List Chaperone of the highly active css-discuss mailing list (, which he co-founded with John Allsopp of Western Civilisation and is now supported by Eric lives in Cleveland, Ohio, which is a much nicer city than you've been led to believe, and is the host of "Your Father's Oldsmobile," a Big Band-era radio show heard weekly on WRUW 91.1-FM in Cleveland ( When not otherwise busy, he is usually bothering his wife Kat in some fashion.

Product Details

  • Paperback: 304 pages
  • Publisher: New Riders Press; 1 edition (April 18, 2004)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0735714258
  • ISBN-13: 978-0735714250
  • Product Dimensions: 0.7 x 7.8 x 10 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 1.8 pounds
  • Average Customer Review: 4.2 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (18 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #1,204,865 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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Eric A. Meyer starting working on the web in late 1993. A past member of the CSS Working Group, he is the author of several acclaimed CSS books as well as many articles on CSS and web standards. More recently, he co-founded the conference series An Event Apart with Jeffrey Zeldman and speaks about web standards all over the world. In recognition of his work, he was inducted into the International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences in 2006.

A longtime resident of Cleveland, Ohio--which is a much nicer city than you've been led to believe--Eric used to be a weekly radio presence on WRUW 91.1-FM with a show covering the Big Band era. He now spends most of his free time reading, searching out great dishes, and playing with his wife and daughters.

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72 of 73 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Superb book on CSS conversion May 3, 2004
Eric Meyer has done it again. His self-titled sequel More Eric Meyer on CSS is a collection of ten conversion projects that teaches CSS by example. A practical alternative to his other new book, Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide, 2d ed., More is more inspired how-to than dry reference. Meyer says that the ultimate goal is to "lure you into using more CSS" with tempting visual effects, improved accessibility, design flexibility, and reduced page weight. I asked Eric Meyer why he wrote this book:
"There was such positive response to 'Eric Meyer on CSS' that New Riders and I decided it would be fun to create a sequel. Both books share the same project-oriented, practical philosophy, which is what people really seemed to like - that and the full color printing! The hope is that the book will help more designers get to know and love CSS, and inspire them to take the concepts presented and do something really awesome."
Eric Meyer and Jeffrey Zeldman actually make standards sexy. Yes, by converting to CSS-based techniques you make your designs more flexible, accessible, and gracefully degrade, but you also lose wait, and gain pizzazz. Chapter 6 "CSS-Driven Drop-Down Menus," where Meyer shows how to create JavaScript-free nested pull-down menus, is worth the price of the book alone.
As you progress from project 1 through 10 Meyer takes you through more difficult CSS conversions. The first two chapters show you how to use CSS layout to convert conventional table-based designs into CSS-based layouts. Tables still have their uses however, and Meyer is not above styling table-based financial reports with CSS in project 3. Chapter 4 shows how to create translucency with positioned backgrounds.
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22 of 22 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Another superb effort May 3, 2004
This is an excellent follow-up to "Eric Meyer on CSS." Meyer starts us in the same place as the original - turning an old-style table-based layout with font tags galore and showing how to trim the page size down using CSS for layout and formatting. The next 2 projects (Styling a Photo Collection and Styling a Financial Report) again hearken back to the original in that you are trying to complete a specific task. Along the way you are introduced to progressively more difficult concepts.
The gravy starts with Project 4 and continues through the rest of the book. Meyer leads us through some of the cutting-edge uses of CSS today and makes them work across today's popular browsers. When there is a problem rendering an effect in a particular browser, Meyer explains the pros and cons of using the technique.
This book is rated Intermediate-Advanced (same as the first book). Take that to heart. The projects in this book are harder than the corresponding project in the original. Neither teaches the basics. They make a great 1-2 punch and reading them in succession is a great idea. Make sure you follow along at the computer and do the projects - just reading them is helpful, but practice, practice, practice is absolutely necessary to really "get it".
Meyer again mentions that if you have read his previous books and don't like his writing tone, pass on this book. I find his writing style engaging. If you don't, consider getting the book anyhow - what you will learn from it should exceed any cringing you do at the style.
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31 of 34 people found the following review helpful
3.0 out of 5 stars Pushing the envelope July 29, 2005
Eric Meyer is pushing the envelope again. This book is interesting for those who wish to look ahead, and standards continue to develop because people like Eric Meyer do these kinds of things. However, if you are looking for a practical guide to making your own site, this is not the book for you.

Quite a few of the tricks and techniques expounded here do not work on the majority of browsers, and very little account of backward compatibility is evident. That is not a criticism of the book, which does what it set out to do in quite an extraordinary and admirable way. Be aware, though, that this book is not for the budding web author wanting to learn something about making pages that work today for the majority of visitors. Better is Eric Meyer's first book in this series, and better still is Eric Meyer's "Cascading Styling Sheets: The Definitive Guide" from O'Reilly.
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24 of 28 people found the following review helpful
2.0 out of 5 stars Brilliant author, less than brilliant teacher September 13, 2004
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This book falls way short of actually teaching you anything concrete. Sure the projects are great, and if you are good at memorizing than you'll really benefit from this book (or if you are lucky enough to actually have a project similiar to one of the 10 he puts in the book). But from how he writes the material I am having real trouble applying the material in the book to real life situations. I met all the requirements of the book (basic knowledge of css) and understand all the styles he is using, but I don't understand the concept and reasoning behind some of his actions.

For example, in the second project he floats the actual anchor tags for a set of images instead of the actual images themselves. This resulted in a diagnol lineup on the screen. Perplexed, I read on hoping for an explanation as to why he floated the anchor tags instead of the image tags and why they were in a diagnol lineup. He didn't provide an explanation for this at all.

I'm not claiming I didn't learn anything from the book. Far from it.. I enjoyed a few of the projects and tip my cap to the author for his grasp of css but you can't just throw code into a book and not explain how it works. I know it says that he isn't going to talk about theory in his books, but if you want to apply it to other scenarios you must at least provide a basic understanding of WHY the elements behave that way. Most of the cases I played around with the elements and figured it out on my own, but I didn't spend 30 bucks to figure it out on my own.
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5.0 out of 5 stars This is the CSS book you WANT
I searched and searched looking for the perfect CSS class. The average price $600 - $700 wasn't going there. Read more
Published on November 1, 2009 by Chris Moyer
4.0 out of 5 stars Essential reference
An excellent reference book on advanced CSS, though written before the current AJAX craze (ie, AJAX not covered).
Published on September 17, 2008 by B. Farrelly
5.0 out of 5 stars Another great one by Eric Meyer
The CSS guru himself Eric Meyer has another book that continues this CSS projects (Eric Meyer on CSS). Read more
Published on March 12, 2006 by Frank Stepanski
4.0 out of 5 stars Very Good CSS-By-Example Book
There are a couple of ways to learn something new. One is to follow the traditional pedagogical formula of systematic unfolding of a discipline. Read more
Published on October 24, 2005 by Mark Lee
1.0 out of 5 stars Worst book ever!
I can't believe I am actually using the title "Worst book ever." It sounds juvenille, but I can't think of any other thing to say.

I am an experienced HTML designer. Read more
Published on September 15, 2005 by M. Shuff
1.0 out of 5 stars Brilliant author? Hardly... too full of himself
This guy is not a good writer of how to books. Why isn't he? Because you cannot LEARN from him. I teach people how to build websites as a sideline volunteer project. Read more
Published on August 16, 2005 by Amazon Customer
5.0 out of 5 stars Great Learning Tool!
I have 5 books on this subject and none of them explain how and why elements are applied as well as this book does. Read more
Published on February 4, 2005 by Thom Boglino
5.0 out of 5 stars A must have for the CSS learner
Those who are familiar with CSS techniques are undoubtedly aware of Eric Meyer's contribution to the field. Read more
Published on January 28, 2005 by D. Bjorgen
5.0 out of 5 stars Highly valuable resource in my opinion!
I must admit that until I purchased a copy of "More Eric Meyer on CSS" I had never read anything (articles, text) by nor had I heard much of this Eric Meyer. Read more
Published on January 26, 2005 by Persopolis
5.0 out of 5 stars Great for learning practical applications of CSS
If you're interested in seeing how CSS can be applied to solve practical - although, in this book, not necessarily "everyday" - problems, this is the perfect book. Read more
Published on January 21, 2005 by Caroline Deveau
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