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Movement (2 CD Collector's Edition)

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The MUSIC on these New Order reissues get a 5/5, easily. However, there were far too many egregious mistakes made in the creation of the discs themselves to give them a pass. Only the first discs were re-mastered though they still have some problems, it is the bonus discs that are an absolute mess.

Warner Music/Rhino know about these problems, but there is yet no word on any forthcoming fixes. So I'd hold off until these issues are addressed.

Noted below are the specific problems with the Movement reissue:

1. Dreams Never End
2. Truth
3. Senses
4. Chosen Time
5. I.C.B
6. The Him - Glitch at 5:25-5:26
7. Doubts Even Here
8. Denial

- bonus disc:
1. Ceremony
2. Temptation (click at 3:47)
3. In A Lonely Place (levels are maxed out which has caused clipping)
4. Everything's Gone Green
5. Procession
6. Cries & Whispers (mislabeled as "Mesh") (glitches at 0:06, 0:07, 0:08, 0:28, 0:34, and 0:45)
7. Hurt - (Glitches at 0:00, 0:37, 1:05[right channel pop], 1:07, 3:04, 3:48, 4:06, 6:19, 6:24, 7:07, 7:26, 7:59)
8. Mesh (mislabeled as "Cries & Whispers") - Evidence of scratched vinyl at 0:28, 0:30, 0:35, 0:37, 1:05, 1:07, 1:09, 1:12, 1:14, 1:19, 1:21, 1:40, 1:41, 2:08, 2:09, 2:17, 2:18, 2:19, 2:24, 2:26, 2:28, 2:33, 2:35. In addition, digital glitches at: 0:07, 0:20, 0:44, 0:58, 1:00, 1:25, 1:33, 1:37, 1:44, 1:47, 1:49, 1:56, 1:58, 2:12, 2:22, 2:37, 2:40, 2:49, 2:54, 2:56. Sudden convergence to mono at 1:35.
9. Ceremony (Alt. Version) -L/R channels swapped
10. Temptation - Left channel crackle at 0:24

Just a note to Warners: And a Warning about source material for fans. I didn't know there were so many issues with these "Collectors Series"
Didn't Substance 1987 have better sources for some of the bonus material, or if you are lucky to have FACTUS 8 Everythings Gone Green CD. I guess New Order didn't rate very high with Warner to have better source material. I don't recall there being issues with Joy Divisions similar series.
And BTW don't pay over $20 if you do buy them. The imports aren't any different. I am a disappointed fan. SHAME

These CD's have been in effect recalled for numerous sonic errors primarily on the second disks. DO NOT BUY the November 11, 2008 versions. Rhino has re-released them as of August 25, 2009. These are the corrected versions.

Say what you want about the original Movement album itself, but the disc of bonus songs on this edition is truly amazing. Songs like Procession and Ceremony are my favorite kind of New Order songs. One reason I enjoy these discs is that the band is exploring and is not sure where they are going - it is transitional, but very unique. New Order later fully realized their sound with great confidence, but I prefer their awkward phase for some reason. Maybe this is a collection for listeners who are more Joy Division fans than New Order fans, not that such a distinction is necessary. As to the glitches - I've noticed a few sound flaws here and there, but it doesn't take away from my overall enjoyment of this edition. It is disappointing that the record company would release a CD with any errors, but the situation does not seem as dire to my untrained ears as described elsewhere.

First, I had NO problems with the sound quality on my discs. Second, my only REAL complaint is the lackluster booklet that comes with this "deluxe edition". C'mon, Rhino - this thing should be crammed with band pictures, sleeves and the ACTUAL SONG LISTINGS and TIMES ON BOTH DISCS! I shouldn't have to look at the cd to get the song titles! This is just plain lazy - you guys used to be the Cadillac of reissue labels - quite churning out Pintos! Now that we've got that behind us, this is a stunning debut from the post-Curtis years. It sounds like a Joy Divison album and that doesn't bother me one bit. It's better than all the over praised records they've done in the last 15 years and needs to be given it's due now! I think it's a wee bit better than Low-Life, but not quite the classic that Power, Corruption & Lies is. This is the turning point for a group that would become stadium huge (you can hear it changing in the non-lp singles on disc 2) and be a huge influence on another generation of artists, the same way Joy Division was. Not many groups can come back from the loss of a singer like Ian Curtis - Can you imagine the Stones without Mick? It would never work - and that's what makes New order so special.

The new 2 CD version of `Movement' is the best of the New Order re-releases. While the album itself was not one of their best, this version is generously augmented by a CD of essential non-album tracks from the period. Most of the other New Order re-releases contain "bonus tracks" that are mostly just remixes, making them take-it-or-leave-it propositions. But here, the bonus tracks are almost all original songs (apart from two 12" remixes), making the re-release a worthwhile purchase even for those who have the original album.

The first CD contains a "remastered" version of the original `Movement', which unfortunately doesn't do much to liberate the songs from Martin Hannett's thick, claustrophobic production. No real new revelations here, and my original review and 3-star rating for the album (posted elsewhere on Amazon) stands.

The second CD is what makes this re-release a great album. It's a valuable collection of all the non-album tracks from the band's early days, covering singles as well as the `Factus 8' EP. From the dark beauty of the final Joy Division tracks `Ceremony' and `In A Lonely Place' to the electronic stylings of `Everything's Gone Green' and `Temptation', these are all important songs that showcase New Order in transition between their post-punk roots and the more upbeat synth-based direction of `Power Corruption And Lies'. And it's not just the well-known singles, the rarer tracks here are real hidden gems in the New Order catalogue, such as `Mesh' and `Cries And Whispers' (a personal favourite). Note also that the original versions of `Ceremony' and `Temptation' are quite hard to come by elsewhere, so are valuable inclusions even for die-hard fans.

So this is definitely the version of `Movement' to seek out. For casual fans, it's a stronger and more complete starting point, and dedicated fans will appreciate having these rare songs and original mixes collected on one disc. Recommended.

I won't waste your time with a lengthy review of the songs contained herein. I will only address the SHAMEFUL negative reviews which Amazon is continuing to allow to be posted. I can not presume to know if those reviewers had faulty initial pressings from late-2008, or faulty CD players. I can only tell you that as of today, September 15, 2009, the re-issue is PERFECT. NO glitches, skips, pops, clipping, crackles or channel-swapping on ANY of the tracks on EITHER disc.

I sincerely wish that Amazon.com would REMOVE out-dated and/or fabricated false reviews of products.

My only regret is that I BELIEVED those early, now-erroneous reviews of this remastered CD set. I wish I had decided to take a chance sooner in making the purchase. I bought my copy in a retail store (sorry Amazon, but Borders doesn't allow old, out-dated, erroneous "reviews" of products which it sells) with a store coupon, so I saved money and had an EASY way to make a return for a refund IF the discs had been faulty.

NOTHING is faulty about this product.

This is a marvelous 2-CD set, and I'm going to purchase the next 4 remasters. If you are a fan of New Order, you should do the same, as well as buying your own copy of Movement.

I ordered all five of these remasters from Amazon in July 2011. I received the 2009 corrected versions of Movement, PCL and Technique. Brotherhood and Low-Life both are the older versions with the messy second disc. I am returning those two. People say you can tell the older pressings by two external signs:

1) The older pressings have the plastic "Collectors Edition" sleeve on the outside, and the newer pressings don't.
2) The newer pressings have a second book inside with details on all five remastered albums and the older ones don't.

This is actually a little bit misleading as the "Low-Life" I received did not have the plastic sleeve and did have the second booklet. So, I assumed it was the corrected version. But the second disc is obviously the flawed version with glaring glitches and pops throughout.

Perhaps Rhino is recycling all of the defective discs that have been returned to them, hoping less informed buyers won't notice. At any rate, be wary. They should have recalled the bad copies from retailers back in 2009.

This is a very nice two-disc set, and to my ears the songs sound as great as they ever did, if not better.

In "Movement" New Order channels the spirit of the Joy Division days at times, but this music represents a transition into new things. While the listener can almost hear the late Ian Curtis in places in "Movement", the extra tracks on the second disc, when taken as a whole, are something of a musical departure from the Joy Division sound. At this point the band was moving from the darkness of Joy Division into a more exuberant, beat-oriented sound, still embracing some of their recent past but also showing movement toward a new day.

This represents primitive, emotive, ambient dance music at its finest. What may sound minimalist at first listen becomes the kind of dense, layered, deep stuff that I can't resist moving to. "Movement", indeed! This music makes me want to get up and move as much as it did over 25 years ago.

If you haven't listened to New Order for quite a while, as I hadn't, this is a wonderful way to get back into their sound. Joy Division was a fine band, but so is New Order, as "Movement" clearly demonstrates.

Here's to the Factory label, and here's to Warner/Rhino for giving us all such a great treat!

The first disc of this two-disc set, the first New Order album, Movement, is Bernard Sumner, Peter Hook, and Stephen Morris (now joined by Gillian Gilbert) figuring out what they should be doing as a band after Ian Curtis's 1980 suicide, but the second disc, the singles and b sides of the era, shows them slowly starting to get there. Movement is not Joy Division nor is it really New Order either. It is an uncertain, hesitant blending of the two bands, the first disc is any way, much of which definitely sounds 'almost but not quite like' the third Joy Division album--which of course it isn't and can't be. The second disc's key singles, especially Temptation, show them slowly getting out from under the Joy Division cloud. They didn't fully establish their new identity until the single Blue Monday and Power, Corruption, and Lies, but Temptation was definitely a big move forward. That said, Ceremony is a pretty darn good classic alternative rock song, a tremendous 'debut' single (which of course isn't really a debut). Such a simple song but with such emotional power, certainly a function of Curtis's lyrics but also of the band's simple yet powerful playing. Temptation is powerful in its own very different way and is a sign of things to come. The album itself also has its definite charms. Combined, these two discs make this an essential 1980s alternative album. The sound is great on my discs, so the early remastering issues are certainly resolved now if you purchase it new from Amazon.