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Hello all; Dave Muscato here. In my post today, I will review David Fitzgerald's 2010 book Nailed. This book was voted one of the Top 5 Atheist/Agnostic Books of 2010 (Atheism.About.com's Readers' Choice Awards), and I think it the honor is well-deserved, as we'll see below.
I've heard about the mythicist case before, but admit that I was too skeptical to take it seriously. After reading this book, I realized I was, in fact, not being skeptical enough.
I didn't read this book the way I read most books. Right off the bat, I realized that, in order to fact-check properly, I would need to pull out my "big guns" - my 5-volume encyclopedia of the Bible, my copies of Tacitus, Suetonius, Seneca, et al (it helps that I'm minoring in Latin), my Greek NT, my Oxford Essential Guide to People & Places of the Bible (ed. Bruce Metzger), my Cities of the Biblical World (DeVries), and so on. I've studied many of the Latin source works Fitzgerald talks about before, and he's absolutely right that in most cases, these writers were either talking about Christians, not Jesus himself, or that the mentions of Jesus were interpolations (forgeries added into the text by later Christians); that there was definitely more than one Jewish guy named Yeshua walking around back then, and in many cases these writers were writing about other people with the same name; and finally, that literally all of the writers that Christian apologists prop up as credible witnesses were, in fact, born AFTER Jesus died - some decades, some a century or two more. There is a graphic on page 32 of the book, a timeline of alleged "eyewitnesses," that makes this abundantly clear, and as I mentioned to Dave over Facebook message, that graphic alone makes the book worth the price of admission.
The book has the following format: It explores 10 different reasons the Christians (or for that matter, any non-mythicist) offers for belief in a historical Jesus, in ten sequential chapters, followed by a thorough conclusion, appendix of apologist sources, and finally endnotes, the bibliography, acknowledgments, and an about-the-author. The 10 myths are:
Myth #1: "The idea that Jesus was a myth is ridiculous!"
Myth #2: "Jesus was wildly famous - but there was no reason for contemporary historians to notice him..."
Myth #3: "Ancient historian Josephus wrote about Jesus"
Myth #4: "Eyewitnesses wrote the Gospels"
Myth #5: "The Gospels give a consistent picture of Jesus"
Myth #6: "History confirms the Gospels"
Myth #7: "Archaeology confirms the Gospels"
Myth #8: "Paul and the Epistles corroborate the Gospels"
Myth #9: "Christianity began with Jesus and his apostles"
Myth #10: "Christianity was totally new and different miraculous overnight success that changed the world"
The book is 215 pages, not including the bibliography/endnotes, etc.
Myth #1 is, in theory, an easy one: It is a textbook logical fallacy, an argumentum ad ridiculum. Simply calling an idea ridiculous is not a logical refutation. You either have to demonstrate that the content of one or more of the premises of the argument contains factual errors, or that the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises - or both - in order to say that a conclusion is wrong.
Much of this information was not new to me. In fact, a lot of this book covers the same questions that led me to lose my faith in Christianity in the first place. In his dedication, Fitzgerald offers this book to "everyone who ever thought to themselves: `I wonder what Jesus was really like?'" This is a very important question to me personally, the very one that led me to my interest in classical Latin, and to read the Bible for the first time. Let's dig in.
My primary issue with this book is actually not one of its conclusion nor its scholarship. My real concern is that it's too short. By that I mean, I was not emotionally ready for the conclusion. I don't mean that Fitzgerald omitted anything important, nor did he fail to be thorough enough in his research, but simply that the idea that there was no historical Jesus is too foundation-shaking, too upsetting to my emotional brain (as opposed to my rational brain, I mean), that I was not ready for it within the time it took me to read the book the first time, and, at first, I rejected the conclusion on account of cognitive dissonance. Despite studying these things for years on my own and being well-aware of the accuracy of his research, I just refused to believe it. It took time for me let the very idea into my head as a possibility, and as a result, I have spent the last 3 days solid reading source material and fact-checking, including about 6 straight hours at Ellis Library looking up stuff in their absolutely breathtaking 7-volume Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Greece and Rome (as an aside, I really, really, really want my own copy of that, but it's $995 - ouch), because it just feels "wrong" to say that there was no historical Jesus. My skeptical mind kept saying, "But there has to be real evidence that Jesus existed." Then something hit me: I realized I was being illogical; I was skeptical of the wrong side of the argument: The burden of proof for the existence of Jesus rests, of course, with those making the positive claim. Instead of approaching this argument by saying to myself, "Show me the evidence that Jesus did not exist," I started thinking, "Show me the evidence that he did." This was extremely eye-opening for me, and thankfully, completely logical, which was somewhat of a comfort in my dissonance.
I am still not willing to say that I believe positively there was no historical Jesus, but I am willing to say this: In my opinion, the evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus is too unreliable, too contradictory, and too far removed chronologically to pass the "burden of proof" test. Consequently, I have removed Jesus from the "People I believe really existed, though I don't believe the supernatural claims in his biography" category to the "People for whom I consider the evidence for his existence to be inconclusive, and if he existed, I also don't believe the supernatural claims in his biography" category. Others in this category are, for example, Odysseus, Achilles, and Homer.
I think that if I did not have the background I do from school in the works of Roman writers, I would not have been as willing to let go of my belief that Jesus was definitely a real person. Because I already knew, for example, that Josephus' Testimonium was a forgery, that Mary as a literal virgin (virgo, virginis from Koine Greek παρθένος) was a mistranslation of the Hebrew עלמה (young woman/maiden) in Isaiah 7, etc, I was more ready to hear what Fitzgerald had to say. It seems that most people, Christians especially, simply assume there must be really good evidence for the existence of Jesus, even if they've never bothered to look into it personally. I have looked into it personally, and insofar as you're willing to take my word for it, I'm telling you, it's just not there. There are zero - ZERO - records from Jesus' lifetime mentioning him whatsoever, or even from 10 or 15 years after his lifetime. The period was extremely well-documented and much material survives to the present from the geography where these events are alleged to have taken place. Writers of the time, if the stories were true, would have had plenty to say about him, and would have had plenty of motivation to write about him. But they didn't write about him. Not a lick. Normally I would not agree that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence," but in this specific case, considering that dozens of prolific writers had abundant means, motive, and opportunity to write SOMETHING about the guy - if he were real - but didn't do so, tells us something. It also tells us something that we have many detailed writings of many other cult religions of the same era and geographic location, many about cult religions even smaller than Christianity was alleged to be at the time, but for some reason, we don't have anything about Jesus or his followers until much, much later. And the earliest writer we do have - Paul, writing in the 50s or so - says such wildly different things about him that he can scarcely be said to be talking about the same person. Where is the virgin birth, Herod's massacre, the flight to Egpyt, Jesus' baptism, the feeding of the multitudes, Mary Magdalene, raising Jarius' daughter from the dead, walking on water, raising Lazarus from the dead, the transfiguration, Jesus' "triumphant" entrance into Jerusalem, Jesus driving the money-changers out of the Temple, the Last Supper, the Mount of Olives/the betrayal from Judas Iscariot, Jesus' ordeal with Caiaphas, Jesus' trial before Pilate, the crown of thorns, carrying the cross, the earthquake the ripped the Temple curtain in half from top to bottom, the Jewish saints coming out of the graves and into the city, the lightning and darkening of the sky, etc? If these are real events and Paul was writing about Jesus very, very shortly after he lived, why doesn't Paul know anything about any of it? Maybe because the Gospel writers (who were, of course, not really Mark, Matthew, Luke, or John anyway) made it all up?
I feel so much like I feel when I first stopped believing in Christianity and became an atheist. When I was a Christian, I believed what pastors said about who Jesus was and what he taught. When I decided to read the Bible cover-to-cover for myself, I realized that much of what they were saying was incorrect, even just internally, using the Bible as a reference. But what really made me stop believing that Jesus was the Messiah was when I started learning about where the Gospels came from historically. The more I read, the more I looked into it, the more obvious it became that I should not trust them as historically-reliable sources. The 4 canonical gospels were not written by eyewitnesses (in the case of Luke, explicitly so) or even by people within the same generation as eyewitnesses , and no credible modern scholar believes that they were. At least 6 of the Pauline epistles are forgeries, etc. The truth is, the NT was written generations later, by educated, literate Christians (whom the apostles definitely were NOT), living in a community of Christians, who had never met Jesus, writing in a totally different language, and from a different geographic area. They are simply not reliable as primary source documents when it comes to verbatim quotations, and they so disagree with each other in details of the chronology, locations, details of events, and other content that there is just no way they were written by people who were really there - and that's the parts that WEREN'T simply ripped off from one another. This part, I knew already, though Fitzgerald puts it best, when talking about extrabiblical writers on page 62:
It is sobering to realize that in all of recorded history, for the first century the closest we have to historical support for the Gospels' picture of Christ are an outright forgery [Josephus' Testimonium], and a single disputed line that in all likelihood refers to someone else entirely... they are quite literally all there is [emphasis in original] to historically support the Bible's account of Jesus in the first century. Yet how can this be? Jesus was supposed to have been bigger than the Beatles, single-handedly capturing the attention of all Judea and Galilee, and as far afield as Syria and the Decapolis. The gospels claim his teachings enraptured multitudes and outraged the establishment... if nothing else his (allegedly) controversial, (allegedly) new teachings alone should have left an impact in the historical record.
I think the truth about Myths 4 & 5 are common knowledge among educated atheists; in my own case they are part of what led me to atheism. I did learn a lot from the chapters on Myths 6 and 7, and simply reading the NT yourself will show you that Myth 8 is patently untrue, although Fitzgerald does a superb job of laying the case out in plain English.
I loved Fitzgerald's contrast of Pontius Pilate (that's Pwn-TEA-oose [as in "loose"] Pee-LA-tte [like latte, the Italian word for milk, with stress on the "LA"], by the way - if I hear one more person say "Pawn-tea-us Pilot," I'm going to shake someone!) as portrayed in the Gospels - "an incredible pantywaist... a dithering nancyboy" - as opposed to the real Pontius Pilate, who was an "arrogant, ruthless despot" who committed "acts of corruption, insults, rapine, outrages on the people, arrogance, repeated murders of innocent victims, and constant and most galling savagery" (Legatio ad Gaium 301). The whole idea of the trial with Pilate, and especially the bit about freeing Barabbas, is laughably historically implausible, for reasons Fitzgerald thoroughly explains. I am less familiar with the archaeological arguments than I am with the literary ones, but after fact-checking these things for myself, I can tell you that Fitzgerald's scholarship is trustworthy. Also, on page 115, he includes a photograph of the P52 fragment, which was familiar to me - I used the same photo (from the John Rylands University Library) for a talk I gave called "Is The New Testament Historically Reliable?" about a month ago, and I discussed the significance of this fragment - namely, that even though it dates to the 2nd century, it's the oldest piece of any part of the New Testament that we've ever found. I do disagree with Fitzgerald's dating to circa 150 or in all probability later; he does mention that you can only date within a ~75-year window, but the Hadrianic script, in my humble opinion, would put it closer to the more-commonly accepted date (among Christian apologists, at least) of circa 125, although I admit that dating via script style is very imprecise. In any case, this is (at minimum) still about a century after Jesus is alleged to have died, so you can hardly call it significant as eyewitness testimony, not to mention the fact that content-wise, it's a bit lacking (that's an inside joke for those of you who saw my talk ). As Michael Shermer points out in the opening lines of his prologue to The Science of Good & Evil, "Scientific debates are not settled by consensus opinion." It doesn't really matter what most scholars believe (especially if most of these scholars have a different agenda; namely, they are Christian apologists); what matters is what the evidence shows, and the evidence here is lacking. I'm willing to say that I don't know when P52 was written, but it definitely wasn't even within a generation of the lifetime of Jesus! As Fitzgerald points out, the real question here anyway is not the age or consistency of these documents, but whether the content is true or not. As he points out, we have the first printings of the Book of Mormon, too, but so what? They are historically unreliable for other excellent reasons, and we disregard them on that basis.
The chapter on Myth 9, I think, makes clear some excellent arguments, especially with his discussion of the astrological elements of the Jesus story, the connection to the 12 "zodiacal accomplices" and the sun-god associations in the very beginning of the 3rd century. Fitzgerald's analysis of the Kenotic Hymn (Philippians) is SPOT ON (see Isaiah 45). Some of this is probably familiar to you if you've seen the movie The God Who Wasn't There, but I like it better in book form, because in The God Who Wasn't There, this stuff is just scrolled by on the screen, and you don't really get a chance to let it soak in, or really have it thoroughly explained to you - and this is really foundational stuff.
I don't want to give away everything in this review, but the chapter on Myth 10, that Christianity was a totally new & different miraculous overnight success that changed the world, seals the deal. For the first several centuries of its existence, Christianity (which one?) was one (or rather, hundreds) among thousands of cult religions at the time, and it borrowed details about the "Life & Times of Jesus" quite freely from existing mythos. If you know your ancient history, you already know the "similarities" between the savior figures in other religions and the Jesus story, e.g. born to a virgin on December 25, stars appearing at his birth, a visit from astrologers from the East, turning water into wine, healing the sick/casting out demons, transfiguring, riding a donkey into the city (by the way, this is perhaps my favorite Gospel error, the laughable scene in Matthew [who is usually pretty good about correcting Mark's ignorance] where the author totally misunderstands the Hebrew OT poetic device of synonymous parallelism, the restating of a line using a synonym, in Zechariah 9:9 [see Ehrman 2010 p.50] and has Jesus straddling a colt AND a donkey at the same time - maybe he just had really long legs??), being betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, a final symbolic meal with bread & wine representing his body & blood, being crucified, descending into hell and rising again on the 3rd day, ascending into heaven to sit beside his father and become a divine judge, are ALL elements stolen from preexisting cult followings of the time, e.g. Osirus, Mithras, Horus, Bacchus, Zoroaster, Krishna, Thor, Adonis, Orpheus, Bacchus, Hermes, Dionysis, Hercules, et al.
Fitzgerald's discussion of the Nag Hammadi manuscripts does a good job of explaining how the growth of Christianity was, in fact, nothing at all like Luke portrayed it. The discussion of Pliny the Younger's letters to Trajan (note: link is in Latin, continues to 10.96.2) with notes by Carrier is excellent. A lot of the things mentioned here, about how Christianity was able to rise in popularity due to its appeal to the poor, uneducated, and disenfranchised, sinks in much more deeply if you've read Gibbon and David Thompson's The Idea of Rome (which is, unfortunately, out of print and rather hard to find, but I have a copy if anybody is interested in looking at it; just let me know). I have to take a moment here to say that the fall of Rome must have been so utterly foundation-shaking to residents of the ancient world that even as an atheist, I don't blame them for turning to the promises of Christianity to give them hope. Imagine that you found out Washington DC, New York, Chicago, Denver, Boston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Houston, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Dallas, Philadelphia, Kansas City, and St Louis were all annihilated by atomic bombs on what just happened to be the same day that your parents died in a car accident, you found out you had cancer, AND your significant other left you. That's probably about what it felt like when Rome fell. I don't think I would personally convert, but I would be empathetic to those who did. Has nothing at all to do with whether Jesus actually rose from the dead or not, though.
I do have one thing to say about this book: It seems to me that its purpose is to get you started. Fitzgerald (although there is definitely a measure of new scholarship) is giving us a clear, concise, and jarring peek into the main arguments for the mythicist case. As I mentioned above, if I had not already spent so much time with Roman writers, and with the history of the Gospels, I would have said, "Yeah, right" and set this book aside. But because I was "primed," because I already knew from my own reading & research that everything he mentions which I was already familiar with is, in fact, true, I was able to let the idea sink in, and realize that his data do, in fact, agree with what I already know... and with the data from my fact-checking, see that, I'll be damned, there really isn't good, conclusive evidence that Jesus existed - or for that matter, even weak evidence that he did.
After careful consideration, I have come to the "conclusion" that the evidence for Jesus is inconclusive. As I mentioned during the opening statement of my debate with Brother Jed two weeks ago, one can say there are two broad categories when it comes to truth statements: True, and not true. Under the "not true" category, you have contradictory, paradoxical, false, and inconclusive. After reading Fitzgerald's book and thoroughly checking on these things for myself, I can say that it is my position that the idea of a historical Jesus fits wholly into the "inconclusive" sub-category. I don't know if a historical Jesus existed or not, but it seems unlikely, given everything that I've found to corroborate what Fitzgerald writes. As he puts it in the conclusion, if there was a historical Jesus, we would have on our hands a paradox (which is still in the "not true" category, by the way). It is my position that anyone making the case that there was a historical Jesus has a lot of explaining to do. As a skeptic, I would never say that it's impossible, but the probability, in my mind, has tipped in favor of there not being one. There were possibly several people named Jesus whom history conflated (in fact there's pretty good evidence of this), but I can't say for sure, or even with reasonable certainty, that the commonly-known Jesus of Nazareth was any more of a real, single, human individual than Achilles, as I mentioned above.
Never thought I'd hear myself say that!
If you have ever asked yourself, "I wonder what the real Jesus was like?"... do yourself a favor, and buy the book.
136 of 161 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Excellent author and speaker,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)Fitzgerald gave a speech on this topic and about his book at Skepticon 3 this year with an excellent case presentation and documentation on how Jesus could never have existed, and how everything in the Bible regarding this false Jesus were elaborate pieces of fiction borrowed from "apostle" to "apostle", with bits of information made up and tacked on as they went along writing. This guy has done his homework, and I encourage everyone, even christian apologists to give this a read before claiming again that Jesus actually existed.
138 of 168 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars De-constructing Christian Mythology,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)Why is it that Christian Mythology gets a pass and can be assumed to be true until proven otherwise. No one assumes that various heroes of Greek Mythology must have existed and a great deal of historical and archeological research often goes into examining the basis for many of these different myths and stories. It is refreshing that the author instead of looking at the world from the basis that Jesus must have existed questions and researches his existence the same way that individuals look at research and critique other forms of less accepted mythology. I would encourage people to look at Christian Mythology with the same lens we apply to Greek, Egyptian, ancient Sumerian, Celtic or any of the many ancient forms of mythological scripture. I am only beginning to read this book, but feel it is an excellent starting point for those who want to gain a better understanding of the history surrounding Christian Mythology.
132 of 162 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars I've even grown to like the cover.....,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)I ordered this book with a slight sense of dread. (Having slogged my way through volumes of church history, I was not particularly excited about the prospect of having to do it again.) Fortunately for me, I was finally able to step past my snobbery for this books somewhat cheesy cover graphics and hit the "Buy It" button. Upon arrival the first thing I was happy to discover was that it's cover and binding are of excellent quality....which is a very good thing because I know that I will be working this book like a rented mule.
Out of all other books that I've read on this subject, I can easily say that the content, writing style and layout makes "NAILED" my absolute favorite.
The "Jesus is a Myth" message is on it's way into the mainstream (or so I keep hoping...) If you are new to the subject and need a starting point, I highly recommend reading "NAILED" - it will put you on the ground floor.
23 of 26 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars Hammering a Dose of Reality,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)Nailed: The Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All by David Fitzgerald
"Nailed: The Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All" is an interesting book that covers ten Christian myths regarding Jesus. Each chapter covers a myth. David Fitzgerald provides some food for thought and compelling arguments that support the position that Jesus Christ was invented driven by hope and imagination. He completes his thesis with how different things would be if there had been a historical Jesus. Writer and historical researcher, David Fitzgerald's admirable research leads to a brief reference-quality book regarding the historicity of Jesus Christ. This 248-page book is composed of the following ten chapters: 1. The idea that Jesus was a myth is ridiculous!, 2. Jesus was wildly famous - but..., 3. Ancient historian Josephus wrote about Jesus, 4. Eyewitnesses wrote the Gospels, 5. The Gospels give a consistent picture of Jesus, 6. History conforms the Gospels, 7. Archeology conforms the Gospels, 8. Paul and the Epistles corroborate the Gospels, 9. Christianity began with Jesus and his apostles, and 10. Christianity was totally new and different.
1. A well written, well researched book.
2. An accessible book for the masses.
3. A fascinating look at the historicity of Jesus Christ. Thought-provoking theories with sound arguments in defense.
4. Good quotes interspersed throughout book.
5. Tackles ten Christian myths regarding Jesus Christ head on.
6. Provides further reading material at the end of each chapter.
7. Gospel events that should have made history but surprisingly didn't. Quite eye opening.
8. Very helpful timeline and diagram of supposed eyewitnesses to Jesus. Great stuff!
9. A look at the forgeries and how we can reasonably conclude there were in fact forgeries.
10. A thorough look at ancient historian Josephus.
11. When were the Gospels written? And who wrote them? Very helpful look at the differences between the Gospels' authors.
12. Many interesting insights and takes. Take for example, the section of "Pilate Light" is very strong and compelling. Also the section of "Inexplicable Acts" is really convincing.
13. Does a really good job of describing Paul's role in Christianity. The section of "Who is Paul's Jesus?" is quite revealing and provides an excellent summary.
14. The early history of Christianity. A war going on in the early church.
15. The growth of Christianity, how it occurred.
16. Constantine's role in perspective. Some myths debunked.
17. An interesting section on how differently would thinks have looked if Jesus had been real. Some examples.
18. A solid Appendix: Apologist Sources.
19. Endnotes and Bibliography provided.
1. Links did not work for the Kindle.
2. The section on Archaeology would have been strengthened had the author included or referenced, "The Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman. An excellent book that would have only strengthened the author's arguments.
3. The format of the book could have been better. Low production value for a book of this caliber.
4. Despite the fact that the author does provide some endnotes, books of this ilk are open to scrutiny so needed to be footnoted extensively instead of casually.
5. This topic can be a little dry, Fitzgerald tries to liven it up a little but usually keeps it straight.
Overall, I learned a lot from this book. These kinds of books are hard to review because of the nature of the topic and difficulty for a layperson like myself to verify how factual the book is. Be that as it may, I found the arguments to be sound and convincing. There are two new books that are out that address this issue and offer opposing views that I have yet to read but will add to my further suggestions section. I give this book four stars overall, I have to take a point away for low production value and because it can be a little dry at times. I commend the author for the excellent research, these kinds of books are daunting to write and Fitzgerald deserves praise for a job well done. If you are interested in the topic, by all means get it!
Further suggestions: "Proving History: Bayes's Theorem and the Quest for the Historical Jesus" by Richard Carrier, "Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth" and "Forged: Writing in the Name of God--Why the Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are" by Bart D. Erhman, "Why I Became an Atheist: A Former Preacher Rejects Christianity" and "The Christian Delusion: Why Faith Fails" by John Loftus, "Man Made God: A Collection of Essays" by Barbara G. Walker, "The Invention of the Jewish People" by Shlomo Sand, "The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Nonbeliever" by Christopher Hitchens, "Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America's Leading Atheists" by Dan Barker, and "The Invention of God: The Natural Origins of Mythology and Religion" by Bill Lauritzen.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Answered many of my own questions,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All (Kindle Edition)For anyone who doesn't just accept the orthodox answers but has questions about what many in the world regard as absolutes this book is a must. I found it well structured, thoughtful and very revealing.
11 of 12 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Just what I wanted,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All (Kindle Edition)Dear Amazonians: what we have here is more than a good job is a detailed account of a thorough and lucid review about Jesus the Christ. I already have read several books on the topic so that much of what I read here wasn't new for me. And the fifth star is precisely for that, David Fitzgerald did more than a compilation, in fact a highly informed reading of aspects that are disseminated here and there from magazines and internet to books.
Now two important things that I want to mention to persuade you that by buying this you'll not get disappointed. One: is interesting and entertained. The Ten Christian Myths that Fitzgerald addresses are always demanding your attention with the same intensity. Two: when you think Fitzgerald is merely cataloging you some particular issues is because you have to keep reading in order to realize that he has something more to tell you about.
On the other hand, in several aspects you stay with the feeling that some arguments to debunking myths are not so sound. This happen when Fitzgerald approaches myths like "Jesus was wildly famous" or "The Gospels give a consistent picture of Jesus." It happens because you ask yourself how could it be that so few people knew about Jesus on first century C.E. --as the author tell us-- if Nero at the same time (64 C.E.) blamed "the Christians for the fire in Rome?" And also, in saying that "not only do the four Gospels four very different and incompatible Jesuses, they appear to do so quiet deliberately," you cannot help thinking that the same happen when you find one Napoleon in Hilaire Belloc and another in Emil Ludwig. Even more, when you talk about real people sometimes you find that a single person engenders contradictory opinions in those around.
But this is not an easy topic at all. Every time you believe you have solved a problem with JC you fall into another. And this is because (I guess) if Jesus never existed you cannot prove it. You cannot kill that that never lived at all. And also remember that the absence of proof is not proof of absence.
In brief: a hard work that serves a purpose which is give us a sense of what does it mean dealing with one of the more prickly topics we could envision today. As Earl Doherty put it in the praise page in the beginning: "Fitzgerald's is possibly the best 'capsule summary' of the mythicist case I've ever encountered." And -to me at least-- that is true.
Maybe never we are going to be sure about the nonexistence of JC in a Popperian level of certitude, but every time we move away from JC we are a little bit closer of (again, I guess) revealing the myth. New approaches engendering new questions and new answers. This is what you get reading Nailed: interesting hindsight, updated data and full discussion.
If you are in the loop of Jesus and Co. -not matter how long-- do not deprive yourself of reading this work.
43 of 55 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Jesus - Evidence for the world's greatest pious fiction,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)When you tell people that there is no good evidence for an historical Jesus they will scoff and think you are some sort of conspiracy-theory nut bar. David Fitzgerald's book: 'Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All' is a fantastic summary of why one should indeed have serious doubts about the existence of a real flesh and blood person behind the Jesus(es) of the New Testament Gospels. This is not just an argument from silence either. He makes a clear case that the evidence points to the Gospel Jesus as a literary creation and not the real flesh and blood founder of a faith. That Christians fabricated their epistles and Gospel stories is not news but that their pious fiction reaches back into the most pivotal details of the Jesus story is of great significance.
This is not a new thesis but this short little book puts it all in one package more succinctly than any other work I have read on this subject.
It is a simply excellent book. Well worth the read & highly recommended.
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5.0 out of 5 stars A convincing theory about the origin of Christianity.,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)I am DYING to give away the ending of this book!
Until reading this book, I'd always presumed that some teacher named Jesus wandered the Earth, died, and would have been forgotten had Paul not come along and co-opted the whole thing, turning Christianity into a big, grand, compelling myth about the triumph of good versus evil--something the whole world could relate to.
Now I believe I've had it backwards. Paul invented Christian theology straight out of visions in his head, and it was not even necessarily connected to a particular historical person (though there was no shortage of Jesus-like prophets wandering around at the time to attach the theology to). But in any case, the gospels, which tell the story of Jesus's life on Earth, were invented many, many generations later to match the theology. Much of their plot may actually have been INTENDED as allegory.
What nails the case (that Jesus probably never existed) is a Bible passage I happen to know by heart. The truth has been hiding in plain sight all this time!
I had always wondered about the origins of the religion that has so drastically shaped my own life and the course of history. This book has satisfied that curiosity.
17 of 21 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Ten out of ten (points).,
This review is from: Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All (Paperback)I have got to know David Fitzgerald a little as a friend and agreed to review his work. I had been looking for a one-stop review of the evidence concerning the very existence of Jesus Christ and have to say that this volume more than exceeded my expectations. Meticulously researched and developed over a ten year period, this book is the result of a huge amount of painstaking analysis. There is no argument not considered and no stone left unturned in an effort to discover any evidence that actually conclusively verifies the existence of such a character. There is none - none at all. Everything ever written about Christ (specifically including all of the New Testament) serves and combines to create a 'construct' for the early church members to believe in. David's conclusions at every stage of the ten aspects covered leave no doubt in the objective reader's mind that Jesus Christ is as mythological an individual character as any of the now proven myths of the Old Testament. Well written and well rounded, fully referenced and brilliantly explained - this is a 'must read' for anyone who wants to put the lid on the idea that Christ was real and later Christianity his personal baby. The one thing that this volume contains that the Bible and all other pretended 'proofs' of Christ and Christianity do not, is evidence - and it is as conclusive as it can get. The only reason any reader will not agree is if they have 'faith in fiction' from a preconceived belief in God which must not be offended, rather than a willingness to face and accept evidence of the truth without reservation. As I comment in my own books, "As long as people want something to be true, more than they are willing to face the possibility that it is not, they will not entertain evidence or reason. Delusion becomes a choice." Jim Whitefield. Author of 'The Mormon Delusion' series.
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Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All by David Fitzgerald (Paperback - October 1, 2010)
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