Customer Reviews

Navman PiN 100 Portable GPS Pocket PC Navigation System

5 star:		(3)
4 star:		(9)
3 star:		(6)
2 star:		(2)
1 star:		(10)

 

 

After seeing the terrible review at InfoSyncWorld, I became very worried that I was going to regret having just purchased the Navman PiN 100. There is very little in the way of reviews for this product so I will try to be as thorough as I can.

As a Pocket PC, I am completely satisfied with the Navman PiN 100. It is actually just a Mio DigiWalker (it even has the Mio DigiWalker logo on the back of it) so if you have seen reviews for that, then this is the same thing. It runs Windos Mobile 2003, has one expansion slot (an SDIO slot), and a suitably fast CPU and on-device storage & memory. I have used it as a Pocket PC for many things now and have not once felt the hardware specs to be lacking. Handwriting recognition is still awful but that is something to mention in a review of Windows Mobile 2003 operating system itself, not the Navman.

You WILL need a 256 or 512MB SD card to hold maps. The included 32MB card is basically worthless, I left it in the box and never used it. Many if not most states are over 30MB and that means you would not even be able to load them onto the card. I suggest getting one of those 256MB cards with wifi ability built-in, then you can kill two birds with one stone. Wifi is a neat thing to have.

As an in-car GPS solution, the Navman is hands-down absolutely the best value on the market. For under $500 (which is including the absolutely necessary additional purchase of a memory card) you get a Pocket PC, all necessary cables, an unobtrusive GPS receiver, a windshield mount, a car charger/adapter, and of course the Smart ST v2 GPS software. The Garmin iQue 3600 is its closest competitor -- I tried it too and decided the Navman PiN was both the better value and the superior product (bigger, brighter screen among many other things). Unfortunately the Navman PiN package feels exactly like what it is -- not one well-integrated product but a box of products sold as a bundle. When you open the box you are confronted with several envelopes, nearly a half dozen CD-ROMs, three different user manuals, and a confusing pile of cords and accessories. They burden you with actually loading the Smart ST v2 software on the Pocket PC, before you load it on your PC, register it and activate it, then install ActiveSync from another CD, and a bunch of other hassles like configuring the GPS COM port and baud rate -- TOO many hassles -- before you are finally ready to use the product. There was so much paperwork in the box that I spent several confused minutes wondering where the serial number was that the software wanted in order to install it. I would like to see the software pre-loaded on the handheld and all of the necessary stuff for your PC come on one single DVD ROM. I just plunked down 5 benjamins for a GPS toy, do you think I have not found myself a DVD drive for my computer yet? Get with the 21st century people.

Battery life is certainly better than the iQue 3600. It is at least 3 or 4 hours but I haven't done any real tests so I don't have an actual figure to give.

The GPS receiver takes some time to pick up satellites. Anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes on your first use, and 2 to 5 minutes from a cold start after that. It seems like definitely longer if you are moving. This is too long in my opinion, I don't know if other receivers are better, or not. As an in-car device I generally want to take it out of my pocket, put it on the dash, and have it ready to go. Instead I have to sort of sit there in the car for a few minutes or just wait until the first stoplight to check on where I am or where I am going.

The car charger is just that -- nothing to say about it. It gets the job done and is nice to have. The windshield mount is a suction cup mount and secures excellently to the windshield. I wish I could say the same for how well it secures the handheld. It barely does at all. It sort of just cradles it lightly. If you put your Navman in it without the utmost care, it is liable to fall right out. That is NOT good. I recommend angling it back some so that gravity holds it in a little. This seems to work for me. I would have rather it clipped in or snapped in, but no.

The rest of this review is going to sound pretty harsh because I don't really like the GPS software that the Navman PiN comes with (Smart ST v2 2.00.0036 SP2). It is promising, but fatally flawed. I want to say up front though, that I would not give up using this device just because I think the software sucks. I just deal with the frustrations and hope there will be an update to iron them out later.

First off, the map view. The map view is gorgeous, in full 16-bit color, with color coded roads to show your route, the current road you're on, roads that pass under/over your road, and little arrows indicating direction of traffic. Major and minor roads are different colors, and the roadnames are displayed very clearly and legibly. Geography like lakes and forest is marked with blue and green. The view switches to a 3D angled view whenever you are on a route to a destination, and rotates so that up is always your heading and you can see more in front of you than behind. The graphics are state-of-the-art for this market and nothing in its price range with the exception of TomTom Navigator can touch it. Your friends will be impressed.

The voice navigation is well-timed and intelligible, with the exception of "make a legal u-turn" which to most people sounds like "make illegal u-turn" (worth a few laughs). Voice only says when to turn and which direction, it doesn't say the street name or even highway number, which is too bad but that's typical for a PocketPC program.

The two big disasters of this software are its address input for destinations and routing, and the routing algorithm itself. These are the fatally flawed features which keep me from recommending this device to anyone who would get frustrated easily.

When inputting an address, you are allowed to select from your contacts (a Windows Mobile 2003 feature), however if you do this, you will 100% of the time be told that you have selected an invalid address. Sometimes this is because the map data is 18 months old and doesn't know this address exists, but most of the time it will accept the address if you re-enter it by hand. This is unacceptable. Also, when you start entering it by hand, it will suggest a drop down list of possible locations, and they will all seem pretty much like the same place. There is no way to tell if the address you are entering should be in Richmond VA, Richmond MCD VA, or one of several other entries for what is obviously the same place. Then you will enter a street, for instance Lotus Lane, but it will not be found because you didn't type Lotus La. This is asinine. Entering the address for a destination takes 5 mintues because of this nonsense, when it should take 5 seconds. And you will have to do this every time you enter the address, unless you pick destinations off of your "Recent" list. Once, I loaded a destination off of my contact list and ignored the "invalid address" warning and Smart ST2 routed me to some completely non-related location of the same town. From now on I make sure I do the address input in the way it wants it.

As for routing, it has a lot of quirks. I will describe some of the ones I have experienced. To put it blunty, it can recommend some DUMB routes -- I mean really out of your way sometimes. I use "quickest" navigation and "shortest distance" is even worse. Once it took me to what appeared to be a complete dead end, and the map said I could keep going -- not without a machete I couldn't. I drew an "avoid area" and the route put me back on the course I should have stayed on in the first place. Other times, it takes you pretty close to where you have to go and says you have reached your destination, but you could be anywhere from one to eight blocks away from where you need to be. This can be frustrating if you fight hard for a parking spot in the city and get out and realize you still have to walk 8 blocks. It might have to do with the way the software estimates street addresses. It uses ranges of addresses and estimation to guess where a particular street address is. Sometimes this works reasonably well and other times (when ranges are large) it doesn't work at all. You might be better off never giving it a street address. Instead only give it street intersections and take yourself from there. Autorouting works fairly well, but Smart ST2 is slow to route anything, and so it will display a question mark for a minute or two until it suggests a new route. Sometimes when you know better and have a better route in mind, it will stubbornly insist you make a u-turn at every cross street until finally re-routing and "seeing the light" of what route you had in mind. I have seen other PocketPC software be smarter and faster at re-routing.

So in conclusion, I highly recommend this product to geeks willing to deal with some quirks (and hope for fixes), but not to the general public who would probably be hopelessly frustrated by the routing and input problems, despite the pretty interface and good value.

P.S. my review of the software is of the version after you apply the currently available patch on Navman's site. Before I did this, all of the routing problems I mentioned above were like twice as bad, and I would have given two stars instead of three. When reading any poor reviews of the Navman PiN, try to check if they are using the software before or after the patch.

WARNING - The US version ships with a 32M card not the 128M card cited in the Australian review posted here. A hastily added sticker on the box says a 128M card is "recommended" In fact, unless you live in a rural area, you can't load the map for your home area until you buy an additional card. Amazon should note this in its listing. The manufacturer has decided that its worth shipping a product that can't be used as shipped to save a few bucks.

The only other problem is a poorly documented setup. Basically they're shipping a kit. First you load the PC software on your desktop, then load the map software from the included (too small) card. Finally you load the map setup software on your desktop and activate your Navman over the internet . That's when I discovered I couldn't load the map for Northern California until I got an additional 128M card. As it happens I could steal one from my Treo 600, so I managed to get it functioning.

Once working, it works well. Entering addresses is strange if you don't have a zip code because they've made up sub regions that are parts of a town. Once the destination is in, however, the 3D maps are beautiful and (so far) seem accurate. Voice prompts are useful but not overly verbose. It's easy to use and read as well as being a nice small, light package

If the maker hadn't made a last minute decision to ship it without the required card, I'd have raised it to 4 stars.

I've wanted an in-car navigation system for a long time, but was put off by their high cost and non-portability. I was pretty excited to see this Navman unit - at last a totally portable driving navigation gps, that I could use hiking, driving or boating at a reasonable price.

The unit is well constructed and does not 'feel cheap'. It is very small/thin, but has a beautiful bright display. The screen really is nice. The maps (Australia in my case) come pre-loaded on a 128mb SD Card. They also come on CD if you want to use the SD Card for other things. It comes with a sturdy windscreen suction attachment, car charger, wall charger, slip cover and USB cable.

The small flip-out antenna can lock onto satellites when I'm inside my house! I was concerned I would need an external antenna for the car, but I've yet to encounter any difficulty with getting sattelite locks.

The Navman unit is actually a rebadged Mitac Mio 168 (first Pocket PC to include a built-in GPS receiver), which has received very good reviews. The primary difference is that the Navman comes with SmartST mapping software. Unfortunately, this may not be a such good thing. The SmartST software is great to use - the 3D street maps are fabulous, and it's very easy & intuitive to enter in addresses or search for location 'types'. However, it is *NOT* possible to enter waypoints or GPS coordinates, so it is not suitable for geocaching out-of-the-box (what a shame). There are 3rd party PocketPC programs that you can use for geocaching.

The voice prompting is loud and clear, and location accuracy seems to be quite good. I've been driving around the city of Brisbane for the last few days, and only had one 'error' with the directions (I was on a service road a few metres away from a highway - it thought I was on the highway). Roundabouts are handled well (ie. it will say "On the roundabout, take the second exit"). If you make a wrong turn, it auto-calculates a new route very quickly.

As it is a PocketPC, it comes with "Office" type software, such as PocketExcel, PocketWord, an MP3 player, games etc. Since I've never used a PDA before, I didn't realise how versatile they were. It's amazing how many 3rd party software packages are available. It now seems crazy to buy a dedicated GPS or car navigator when integrated gps PDA's like the Navman are available. If you've put off buying a GPS, take a look at the Navman PiN - highly recommended.

After researching different GPS navigation options (laptop with adapter, built in car unit, PDA with adapter, handhelp GPS etc) I decided to get the Navman PiN. (its the same as the Mitac, which has been out for a while and plenty of product reviews available)
It arrived 2 days before my cross-coutry drive. I unpacked it and started the installation and set up. It took a bit longer than I expected, their web site is horrible, and since the product needs to be registered before you casn use it, you better hope their server is up and runing otherwise install may fail. After sweating the install I got it working. (2 hours later) Its been working perfectly ever since. Very easy to use for the most part very accurate. During the whole cross country trip, we experience no problems. Sometimes, the device thinks you are driving next to but not on the road, and shows you travelling parallel to the highway. (i think this may be more of a map issue) I found this really annoying because it starts telling you to make turns to get you 'back' on the highway even though you are on it already. Also sometimes it would suggest an obviously ill advised manuever. So you can't be a vegetable about the navigating, you gotta think and I would definitely carry a map to compare some of the suggested routes vs reality. I wish the deivce would allow more control about sepcific preffered routes. (i.e. I want it to show me my favorite route instead of just Shortest or Quickest)

Let me just say, the device is really amazing. I am nit picking in order to lay out some of the things I found annoying about the device, but all things considered there is nothing even close to this on the market right now (except for the Garmin iQue, which I do not like because of the Palm OS and the lack of SDIO port (you gotta have the SDIO option for wireless networking)

I highly reccomend this device to everyone, fantastic screen, small unit, amazing functionality.

I want to give it 4.5 stars.

I found that a 128MB SD card holds enough maps for a full days driving (about 1000miles in most directions) therefore my 3000 mile trip required little over three and a half 128MB cards) I am considering buying the new 256MB SD/811g wireless networking card)

I wish it came bundled with cradle, mini-headphone jack adapter, built in WiFi antenna and card and an extra SD card.....but for about 400 bucks, its a fantastic bargain at this time.

The Good
The Navman is a handy device. I owned a Palm V before this and a PocketPC device is just better, in my opinion. The color screen is great. The integration with Windows is great. I really like the device.

The Bad
The SmartST map and nav software is close but still sucks. I live in Alabama and none of the city names are right. I live in Huntsville but the SmartST app says I live in Hueytown. The maps are accurate at the street level but most of the city names are wrong. The routing view is pretty cool especially if you are map challenged. It gives a view from the perspective of the car instead of a birdseye view. Programming the route is a pain. The address lookup is annoying to use. The main application that runs on the laptop/desktop computer will only load maps. It sure would be nice to construct routes on the big computer and download them to the PocketPC.

All in all I think the Navman is a good value. Just be prepared to spend a little extra and get a big SD memory card and some new software, maybe Delorme Mapping Street Atlas 2005 for Handhelds.

Software Update
I purchased Microsoft Streets and Trips 2005 and it works nicely with the Navman. No GPS problems. The S&T maps are superior to the SmartST maps. HOWEVER, the SmartST maps are much smaller. The entire state of Alabama can be loaded onto the Navman using the SmartST application but only the city of Huntsville can be loaded (as a single map) using Pocket Streets and Trips. So if you are planning a long trip on Streets and Trips, be prepared to load a bunch of small maps. I guess I will use SmartST for city to city navigations and the Microsoft products once I get there.

Yes, free mp3 player... You can get it along with tonns of free soft on internet... Exciting...
Fun started from setting up desktop soft and applying patch.
But it is nothing comparing to fun of day to day use.
I have used Garmin aviation GPSes and Garmin iQue for more than a year before got this PiN thing (which i thought was cool since it had more built-in memory, faster CPU, runs pocket windows, and had no bad reviews at the time).
Ok, next day, my first trip from NJ to Long Island, I hit Rt.95, crossing GW bridge and screen goes gray saying no map data... I exit software, start it again, hit recent trips, wait for 5 minutes until it recalls the ONLY trip in memory and hey, it's working but i missed the exit and have to make a u-turn (with 20 min of traffic).
Next day, i still have lots of faith in this PiN in a butt, and rely on it for trip to Briarcliffs, NY for meeting. Passing this dead spot on Rt.95 again, restart, it's ok, maybe there is en update i can get later... I am almost there, driving on some road, then my PiN happily reports "DESTINATION!!!". You should see this destination, one line road and trees around... Destination was actually close, only about mile away, thanks to local police officer.
Another story when i was testing my patience. Was driving home and suddenly had suggested by PiN to take immediate exit right. It puts me on same highway in opposite direction, then suggests a u-turn in few miles. Leads me to same spot where i was fooled first time and suggests immediate exit right... I knew it's in the mood for a long joke, but i really wasn't, and actually wanted to get home ASAP, so since i knew the direction relatively well - simply turned the damn thing off.
Actually once it was trying to save my life. In MA with few fellow colleagues we were looking for place to eat. I got my magic PiN and found a seafood place in Westboro using point's of interest feature. Cool! But i know my PiN well enough to sit and relax, so I am lookin around carefully while we are driving and searching for the place. Here it is, and right after i see restaurant sign - PiN suggests continue 2 miles and something. We laugh, pull off the road. And only 2 hours later a realized that it was actually saving us from this food trying to drive us away...
Anyways. Now my windshield holder is broken and i can't find place to order it. That's actually what brought me here on Amazon... Remember, i was hoping to get update for map soft? Only $99 to get SmartST v3... Nah, what i need is update to another GPS...
As of now! I am using my wife's Garmin iQue every time it's critical to get to places ontime. I use mappoint for all other cases. I don't even know if i really need a windshield holder at this point, since i don't even remember where my charger is... And I will never spend more than $20 on any NAVMAN product in my life.

I purchased this item as an affordable GPS, yet it offers so much more. I've checked out other GPS systems, and this preforms as well as higher end GPS only systems. A previous review commented on the couple minute delay to connect, but this is common with all GPS as they connect with 3-4 satellites to get coordinates.

The bonus comes in with the MP3 player for me. I won't be using GPS all the time, but to be able to use MP3 player instead of an IPod was a nice feature. I recommend purchasing a 1 Gig card or larger (when available). I'm able to load almost the entire Eastern U.S. Seaboard and have room for a couple hundred songs.

The Navman is also a full blown pocket PC. You can synchronize it to your computer for your appointments and contacts (Outlook is included if you don't already have it). In addition you can bring Word, Excel etc. documents with you on the road. Not a big feature for me, but I'm certain for others.

As with any new technical device, you will have questions. I called tech support 2-3 times. Each time I had to leave a message for them to call me back. It was a pleasant surprise that they called me right back, answered any questions I had, and offered other important need to know info. Tech support was really great!

There were only 1 or 2 other items similar to the Navman. I selected the Navman because it had the highest battery life, a very secure car mounting device (no bean bag) and all the items needed from car, portable and home use. An onscreen keyboard for data entry was the final selling point for me (I have a cell phone with "Grafitti" input which is frustrating).

The final clincher was if I wasn't happy with the purchase I had a 30 day return policy with Amazon. Amazon won't be finding this returned by me! A great product, single use or multi use!

As many of the reviewers have alluded to, this is a cobbled together device. The unit is made by a Chinese company called Mio. The hardware is a Mio Mitek 168. The reason why this is important is that you will have to end up contacting them for any hardware issues and their tech support is awful.

I also found that my unit does not work with the SANDISK Wifi+256M card and was frustrated in my attempts to get help from either San Disk or the unit manufacturer.

The Software is Windows Mobile 2003 from Windows, comes with Pocket Word, Pocket Excel, MS Explorer, Messenger, Mail, Pocket MSN, and the usual things like notepad, calender etc.

The only thing from Navman is their software called SmartST V2. You can also provide intersection, points of interest (which are very out of date, it could not find many of the restaurents in Sacramento that have been open for 3 years).

We were driving from Las Vegas to Sacramento and at one point we were on our way to Bakersfield, it did not even recognize the highway and was showing as if we were way off the road. Also it kept trying to route us through I-5 which is the long way. It also does not keep what you entered...and if you hit the wrong key you have to start entering the address all over again. It's also not smart enough to at least prefill the City.

The voice option lets you choose 1 male or 1 female voice. No other choices are available.

There are other small quirks with it as well. I also wished it would show you the direction you are going since thats possible with other GPS software like Ostia from Pocketgear (which I may get to replace SmartST).

They provide accessories that let you hook your device to your car windshield or any other smooth surface, its surprisingly strong and holds very well, its based on suction.

All in all I have mixed feelings about this device. I like having the versatility of a Pocket PC since its not a dedicated GPS device. But I would have liked to deal with a company that supported all of the pieces as one. If anything goes wrong its hard to get help it seems from my experience at least.

All in all its quite a good value, and its a lot cheaper than the other units in the marketplace. It seems to have no problem picking up GPS signals wherever I went.

Pros: Good Value, Versatility, Easy to Install in Car and remove
Cons: GPS software could be better, hardware device manufacturer provides poor tech support. Does not work with Sandisk wifi+256M card

I thought I'd bought a slick little GPS. Unfortunately, it would not lock onto a satellite. Tech support had me "reset" the unit and it worked briefly before making uncommanded switches to Comm 1, disabling navigation. While it was working, it was unable to compute simple nav problems. "Roads do not appear to connect" was the mantra. I also could see that the comprehensive nav data base did not reflect changes to a major local highway, several years old. To top it off, the screen is totally unreadable in sunlight and barely readable in a car. I'm an experienced lover of GPS(auto & jet aircraft), but had to return this box for a refund.

I am so mad that I read these reviews and bought this product! Imagine if you set up your computer or laptop with the programs you wanted, the setting you wanted, and the addresses and contact information you wanted. BUT, because you went longer than 8 hours without connecting it to a power outlet, you lost all your data and setting. Well, that is what this does! You have to start all over again as if you have just taken it out of the box...... You even have to re-install the navigational software! If you can guarantee yourself that you will keep this PDA on electrical charge without a battery-only period lasting more then 8 hours at a time, then by all means buy this product because it has all the great features mentioned by the others -- beautiful screen, light weight, etc. Otherwise, if this is how all PDAs operate, I think I will stick with pencil and paper -- they do not erase themselves after a period of time. It is totally unacceptable for a device as expensive as this to not have some form of internal memory that retains your profiles and settings! Even a simple cell phone can remember a name and number -- but not this device!

I gave one to a friend as a gift. I set it up for him, added a few games, put in addresses that he would be visiting on a trip to California, had the maps he needed loaded on a 512 memory card. By the time he went to use it, it had been longer than 8 hours, and everything was gone. The maps were still on the memory card -- but the program to read the maps was no longer in this "Pocket PC"!

Please do not make the same mistake that I did. The company calls it a "Pocket PC", and the software that loads from its ROM makes it look like a mini PC, but it is not. It is more like a "Digital Chalkboard" -- and the battery is the eraser!