New Traditions In East Asian Bar Bands

John Zorn (Composer) | Format: Audio CD

Product Details

• Composer: John Zorn
• Audio CD (May 20, 1997)
• Number of Discs: 1
• Label: Tzadik
• ASIN: B000003YUJ
• In-Print Editions: MP3 Download
• Average Customer Review: 4.7 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (3 customer reviews)
• Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #213,459 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)
  • #88 in Music > Indie Music > Jazz > Avant-Garde

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6 of 7 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars buy it, March 10, 2002

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William C. Piper II (Pennington, NJ United States) - See all my reviews
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As a long time non-practicing fan of Asian languages and music, this one really gets me. Each track exploits the phonic characteristics of the language (Mandarin, Korean and finally Vietnamese), or should I say allows it to appropriately enter the improvisational sound space, beautifully. The bending of Mandarin to the ambient electric guitar work of Frisell and Frith is interestingly done, enough to move me into the weaving texture of tones, like layers of branches in wind, birds moving up and down in them. At once sexy and percussive, the Mandarin voice could stand as a song on its own. The Korean with the percussion is arty-theatrical and strident, but certainly fun--all moving along wildly, and the Vietnamese an ethereal, slowly breathing masterpiece with Coleman and Horvitz. This CD is wonderful, especially in its use of language as music (my apologies to those of you who will catch the informational content of the recitations). It's the first time in my life I was actually glad I don't speak any Asian language. Personally, I place this up with the Big Gun Down as a Zorn favorite. Have Fun.

3 of 3 people found the following review helpful:

5.0 out of 5 stars Late game-pieces., December 22, 2005

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Michael Stack (North Chelmsford, MA USA) - See all my reviews
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This review is from: New Traditions In East Asian Bar Bands (Audio CD)

"New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands" is a recording of three of John Zorn's later Game Pieces. For those unfamiliar, the Game Pieces are essentially a series of rules for a group to improvise with-- nothing is precomposed, but a set of cues are used to indicate change in direction in performance. The original Game Pieces were named after sports and games, then eventually Zorn switched to Asian titles. Because of the nature of the Game Pieces, they are extraordinarily hard to "get" and they can sound fairly random, particularly the early recordings, when in fact they are highly ordered. The later recordings, where the performers have more experience in this sort of thing, sound much more cognizant and are easier to understand, but even still, they're an extraordinarily difficult listen if you're not ready for it: case in point, the three pieces on this recording.

What I'm trying to say is that if you're not altogether familiar with Zorn's work, the Game Pieces are probably not the best place to start (that'd probably be "Naked City"). Even if you are listening to Zorn, virtually all the Game Pieces are difficult to get until you've seen an example of how they work. If you can't get to a live show, there's some footage on the documentary piece "A Bookshelf on Top of the Sky: 12 Stories about John Zorn" by Claudia Heuermann, which is what initially cleared it up for me. Indeed, I couldn't listen to any of these before I got that. Mind you, if you want to explore the Game Pieces, "New Traditions in East Asian Bar Bands" may be the best place to start.

To begin with, the recordings benefit from restricted format-- each recording is a duet with an Asian-language narration on top. "Hu Die" (from 1986) is recorded with guitarists Bill Frisell and Fred Frith, "Hwang Chin-ee" (1988) with drummers Joey Baron and Samm Bennett, and "Que Tran" (1990) with keyboardists Anthony Coleman and Wayne Horvitz. With only two musicians, it's easier to get a feel for the interactions between them and the subtleties of their work. It also helps that it seems these are about extended dialog-- the early Game Pieces all appear to be about (relatively) brief moments, meaning that as ideas develop, they get thrown away in favor of the next, leaving little in the way of the illusion of conventional structure for the listener to grab onto. "Hu Die" certainly proves to be an exciting listen-- Frisell and Frith wrap around each other, one usually seems to lead with the other following, playing in forms from gentle and supportive to explosive and fierce. By and large, explosiveness is the driving factor of "Hwang Chin-ee", although the drummers do entwine around the narration to a far greater level of detail to the guitarists (who seem by and large to ignore the narrator). "Que Tran" is by and large a minimalist affair, with the keyboards suggestive around and delicate, rarely stating anything directly around the quiet narration.

The net result, a surprisingly diverse and reasonably enjoyable record, in fact probably the most so of the Game Pieces. Highly recommended.

2 of 3 people found the following review helpful:

4.0 out of 5 stars Beautiful poetry, even for those who cant understand it., December 19, 1999

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When I got this album home at first I found it slightly boring,.. it didnt catch me at all. Then after listening to it a few times, it started to really grow on me. The voices of the ladies reading are truely beautiful, and the musicianship is amazing. Hwang Chin-Ee really stands out to me, with amazing percussion work.