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North and South: The Complete Collection (Books 1-3)

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North and South is truly one of the great miniseries, and in fact in my opinion surpasses other great Civil War films such as "Gone With the Wind." Based on the John Jakes trilogy of novels, this miniseries spans the period from the 1840s and the Mexican War, through the aftermath of the American Civil War. It tells the story of two families, the Hazards of Pennsylvania, and the Mains of South Carolina. The Hazards are the owners of a great steel manufactory. The Mains are the powerful owners of a sprawling Southern rice plantation. George Hazard and Orry Main, the scions of their respective families, form a friendship while attending West Point that sees them through the Mexican War and which is tested as each takes his region's side in the Civil War.

The miniseries is reasonably faithful to the novels, and where it departs, the changes are generally benign. The story is also quite faithful to history, and both North and South are portrayed with respect, although the story harshly indicts the institution of slavery, and reminds Americans of the incredible fact that this evil was a basic fact of our country for a very long time.

Book one of North and South is superb. It spans the period from about 1840 through the outbreak of the Civil War. The portrayal of the Mexican War is quite good, and the story of George and Orry graduating West Point and fighting together in the Mexican War makes for a fine story. The film does very well at recreating the attitudes of Northerners and Southerners during this period--conflicting attitudes which ultimately could not be reconciled by the normal political institutions of the American republic and which instead culminated in the Civil War. The battle scenes are very good and surpass what we normally expect of a miniseries.

Book Two takes place immediately following the firing upon Ft. Sumpter. It is again very well done. This is one of the very best straight Civil War films. It is not without flaws. Just as in the novel, the Elkanah Bent sub-plot adds very little to this story. This is true despite the fact that the Bent sub-plot in the Book Two film bears essentially no resembence to the novel. But overall, this is a fine story. Lloyd Bridges in particular does a fine job in his portrayal of Jefferson Davis. Hal Holbrook is a wonderful Abraham Lincoln. Here again the battle scenes are very good. My only quibble is that the soldiers' uniforms are too natty and pristine. Real Civil War soldiers were never very well turned out. The combat and conditions were too tough for that, and the supply trains too inefficient.

Book Three takes place after the end of the Civil War, and is so bad as to be unwatchable. I'm not fooling. The way I look at Book Three is that the DVD makes a fine beer coaster while watching the excellent Books One and Two. Not only is Book Three unwatchable, but it totally departs from the story as set forth in the novel. (as far as I could tell-I mean it when I say that Three is unwatchable). Book Three of Jakes' novels was far and away the weakest of the three, but it was somewhat readable. Not in the miniseries, however.

North and South is imperfect, but it is still so good as to rate five stars. It really is a great story of the Civil War era. James Read and Patrick Swayze turn in great performances as George and Orry. Read was sufficiently good in this part that I am surprised that this role did not lead to greater things for him.

The flaws. First of all, as in all John Jakes stories, the characters, particularly the villains, are one-dimensional at best. Virgilia Hazard, Elkanah Bent, Ashton Main--these characters are complete villains and in real life no one in their right mind would want to live on the same continent with such scoundrels. I have always thought that this caricature-like characterization is the weakest aspect of John Jakes' writing, and these flaws, unfortunately, are faithfully recreated in this miniseries.

The good news is that as far as I can tell, this DVD collection is uncut or close to it. I've read the novels, seen the miniseries, and owned the VHS version of the miniseries, and these DVDs seem to be complete. Further, the color and sound on the DVDs is very good. Overall this is a tremenous value that many fans of North and South have waited for for a long time.

In the age of unimaginative reality TV, boundless and unjustifiable mainstream cynicism and utter ignorance and/or lack of care for history, "North and South" stands as somewhat of an anachronism on the shelves of stores nationwide. How pleasant and encouraging, then, to see it rank as such a huge seller in its first week of release!! I have the (guilty) pleasure to admit I watched my Spanish-version of this series, taped off my TV back in 1986, about 10 or 15 times, although I haven't seen it in over decade. I do remember it as one of the two or three greatest mini-series ever (exceeded only by "Roots", in my opinion), and (at the time) the most expensive mini-series ever, at over $25 million, although that could hardly cover Al Pacino's salary for "Angels in America" nowadays.

I also read all three books a long time ago, and am currently in the process of reading them again, also more than a decade later. Given my familiarity with both the books and the filmed version, I am of the opinion that this is one of those rare instances ("Lolita" being another example) in which, notwithstanding substancial differences between the filmed and written stories, both are classics in their own way. Producers of the mini-series decided, with Jakes' consent, to make the following changes in the story, among many others:
1) Do away with Orry's brother Cooper and "merge" him with Orry. This was a mistake, I feel, inasmuch as Cooper was a crucial character who represented the more moderate Southerner;
2) Not have Orry lose an arm. This probably owed to Hollywood sensitivities, which would not have borne watching Madeline be intimate with a man who lacked one arm;
3) Not have Orry die, and give the series a "Hollywood Ending". This is because the producers initially did not choose to film Book 3, "Heaven and Hell", and thus needed a satisfactory ending to Book 2. If "Heaven and Hell" and been filmed at the same time as the other two, the story could have been more faithful to the book;
4) Have Orry meet Madeline BEFORE going to West Point. This actually helped the Orry-Madeline storyline somewhat, since it gave the two lovers more time to fall in love with each other, and thus gave Orry more of a reason to be hurt by Madeline's marriage to Justin;
5) Have Orry kill Justin. Another improvement on the book. In the book, Justin's death is very perfunctory and anti-climactic;
6) Give Orry and Madeline a son, and give George and Constance a daughter by the name of Hope.

The filmed version is generally heavier on the Orry-Madeline storyline than the book. I don't have much of a problem with that, since both the actors' performances are phenomenal and very convincing: Patrick Swayze, normally no Laurence Olivier, gives what I feel is still his best performance, and Lesley-Anne Down is very professional and convincing as a Creole belle who is, in Jakes' novels, the spiritual center-piece of the narrative. It must also be said that, as played by Down, it is hard for the viewer not to fall head-over-heels over Madeline!! The rest of the core cast is outstanding, specially James Read as George, Kirstie Alley as Virgilia, David Carradine as Justin and Terri Garber as the memorable Ashton. Also, keep an eye open for a very young Forrest Whitaker and pre-Star Trek Jonathan Frakes. The series' massive budget also allowed producers to cast legends such as Jimmy Stewart, Olivia DeHavilland, Robert Mitchum, Hal Holbrook, Lloyd Bridges, Elizabeth Taylor and Johnny Cash (!!!) as (who else?) John Brown.

Book 3 of the series does not merit much discussion, though it does not marr the excellence of Books 1 and 2. It chose, belatedly, to stick to the actual Book 3, with dire consequences. It really does not belong, narratively or otherwise, to the first two series. Also, only Lesley-Anne Down and James Read signed on to do it and, good as their performances are, they were really treading very shallow waters, production-wise.

All in all, notwithstanding the disappointing dearth of bonus materials (the lone making-of documentary is very interesting, albeit frustratingly brief), this moderately-priced DVD set is an essential addition to my film collection. Given the sad state of affairs, I don't think any mini-series of this quality or budget are forthcoming.

Highly, highly, highly recommended. For those with longer attention spans, all three books are essential reading, as well.

The enduring image of that $100 bill being split between Orry Main and George Hazard is what will always remind me of this great mini-series. I was 9 yrs old when it came out and recorded both parts 1 and 2 on VHS. Sadly the quality has deteriorated over time and it is disappointing to learn that it is not available on DVD format.

Wonderfully acted with a romantic theme threaded through the plot of a Civil War that nearly tore a nation apart.

It is heartening to read that other members have fond memories of this mini-series and, like me, can't wait for it to come out on DVD.

North and South, the miniseries based on the novels written by the greatest historical novelist of all time, John Jakes, deserves to be released on DVD. This first miniseries (of three) showcases the antebellum period of the United States in glorious detail, and provides the exact amount of tension that was present in our country that would eventually lead to the Civil War.
Led by an all star cast, Patrick Swayze and James Read are two friends who meet at West Point prior to the Mexican-American war, and the series chronicles their friendship between them and their familes during the next twenty years until the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in 1861.
This is a DVD that must be released and seen by all, so that future students of history may be educated in the most turbulent period of our nation's history.

John Jakes "North & South" has been dubbed television's "Gone With The Wind." Though parallels between the two are obvious from the Rhett and Scarlett-esque romance between Orry Main (Patrick Swayze) and Madalaine Fabray-LaMotte (Lesley Anne Down) to the brazen homage of Hattie McDaniel's Mammie in Olivia Coles Maum Sally, "North & South" treads the fine line between fictionalized cotton fields and cavaliers and hard core history. This is a sweeping mini-series (particularly part one) that follows the exploits of two men, southerner Orry and northerner George Hazard (James Read) during a series of consequences in which each man must endure his opposing way of life that will ultimately test and rip their friendship apart. Kirstie Alley is employed to good effect as abolitionist Virgilia Hazard. After secretly marrying outside of her race, Virgilia's downward spiral into madness is rather tragic and haunting. So too is David Carridine's performance as the despicable Justin LaMotte.

The rest of the cast reads like a varitable who's who of celebrities: Gene Kelly as Sen. Charles Edwards, Elizabeth Taylor as Madam Conti, Robert Mitchum (Patrick Flynn), Hal Holbrook (playing no less that Abraham Lincoln himself), Morgan Fairchild (Burdetta Halloran), Johnny Cash (John Brown), James Stewart (Miles Colbert) and Olivia DeHavilland (Mrs. Neal). Basically, its one heck of a good show. Parts one and two are particularly satisfying - riding the crest of popularity and rabid public fascination audiences had with the mini-series following "The Thorn Birds." But by the time part three came around there was little interest or budget allocated to the third and final chapter of this sweeping saga. Now Warner Home Video delivers a definitive box set of this TV tour de force.

Warner's transfer quality is particularly pleasing, if dated. The picture exhibits a solidly rendered quality with slightly weak colors, deep blacks and nicely balanced contrast levels. Age related artifacts exist, as do digital anomalies but neither terribly distracts. The overriding image quality is decidedly smooth for a production of this vintage. The audio is Stereo Surround, but it should be noted that television productions of the 80s in general had a cheap and tinny characteristic that was barely flattering then, and is anything but complimentary now. Ergo, you aren't getting this set to give your bass channels a workout! There are no extras.

Well it's here at last, North and South on DVD! This complete collection totals in at 1392 minutes (that's almost a complete 24hrs) and includes Books 1,2,and 3. This wonderful mini-series showcases life before, during and after the Civil War. Patrick Swayze and James Read star as the heads of two very different and very intriguing families. Read's clan is a Northern industrial family while Swayze's is a plantation owning Southern family. First airing in 1985, Book 1 focused on the tumultuous times immediately prior to the Civil War. This epic masterpiece showcases beautiful scenery, emormous sets, and a large, talented cast. 1986's equally brilliant Book 2 takes us into the Civil War and has some impressive battle sequences. Book 3 (made many years later) focuses on the Reconstruction period of American history. Unfortunately, many of the principle cast members (Patrick Swayze, Kirstie Alley) did not return for this third outing and it suffers because so. It is also only half the length of the previous efforts.
The DVD promises some interesting extras including a documentary "The History of North and South" as well as interviews with some of the films stars. To get this much entertainment all in one package is remarkable deal.

Boy, and how that is the truth! I first saw "North and South" when it originally aired back in 1985 on ABC when I was 13--and I've been in love ever since...I've nearly worn my VHS copies out!

Fans of North & South will be very excited to hear that on October 5th, 2004 Warner Brothers will be releasing the COMPLETE set (books 1, 2 AND 3):

North & South (1985)--Building up to the Civil War
North and South: Book II (1986) --During the Civil War
Heaven & Hell: North & South, Book III (1994) --Post Civil War Reconstruction

Book 3 was NEVER available until now--not even on VHS, and Books 1 and 2 were only available (until now of course) on VHS. So it's GREAT to hear that ALL 3 will be DVD in a 5 disc set (1392 mins). The set will feature a retrospective documentary, entitled "The History of North and South", featuring interviews with Patrick Swayze, David Wolper, John Jakes and other cast members.

In that documentary you'll find these subjects:

Focusing on: An Epic Story: John Jakes and David Wolper discuss the story and mini-series.

The Hazards: James Read and Kirstie Alley talk about their roles and the Hazard family.

The Orry's: Patrick Swayze talks about his role.

A Time and Place: look at the period and the South.

An Epic Production: Civil War recreations and the scope of production.

Memories: Final thoughts from cast and crew.

Anyways, I'll be one of the many to pre-order the series. ENJOY EVERYONE! LIKE THEY SAY: GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE THAT WAIT.

I also am a diehard fan of these movies, and I also have them on both vhs and dvd. I just got finished watching them on dvd and all of the things that have been said were missing are on there.
The first two books of this movie are six parts apiece, the third book is three parts. On dvd, the first two books have 2 discs. Disc one, side A has parts 1&2, side B has parts 3&4, and Disc two, side A has parts 5&6, side B is blank. Book three is only a three part movie, with one disc, side A has parts 1&2, side B has parts 3 and also a documentary type thing.
I don't know how everybody else's dvd player works, but on mine when I put in a North and South dvd, I get the choice to 'play' or go to the 'episodes', if I just play it then both parts that are on will play continuously, but if I choose episodes, at the end of the episode that I picked, it goes back to the menu and you have to select the next episode. That could confuse somebody and make them think that the whole thing had been cut off, especially if their player doesn't go back to the menu for some reason. If they still can't find all of the episodes, they should exchange it because it may just be defective.

This miniseries was one of the first I wanted to see on DVD and finally it's happening!! To have all three books on one collection is absolutely awesome. It doesn't look like there are too many special features, but that's all right. I have it tapes on VHS from years ago and I'm so glad I'll finally be rid of them. I was never a fan of book three (no Orry Main!), like many others here, but I'm glad it's included on the DVD as well. But Books One and Two are absolutely wonderful! I first saw them in 1985 and 1986 when I was 9 years old and I thought it was the best story ever told on tv. Aside from it being a great story with great acting, I learned a lot about history from watching it. Two huge thumbs up for me, I will be first in line to buy it!

I've read and loved the North and South trilogy.

Books 1 and 2 on film were fairly true to the books.

Book 3 was an utter let down. Rugged dark haired and dark eyed Cousin Charles morphed into a blonde haired blue eyed twenty year old. The first Charles was weather and war beaten, his fiance died in childbirth...he was a torn up man...then in book 3 he looks like a surfer dude fresh out of his first year of college. His complexion is so rosey.

What were they thinking with that?

Orry was the love of Madeline's life: so three months after his murder she is lustfully eyeballing his married best friend. This simply did not happen in the book.

Brother Cooper arrives from no place in book 3. He was absent from 1 and 2.

The widowed and widower George and Madeline gradually feel an affection and marry. The book was more tasteful and less Hollywood.

And what is up with Virgilia dying for her sins? She was supposed to settle down an bit and she actually saves Mont Royal from Ashton's scheming. I suppose that was too dull for Hollywood.

Perhaps I misunderstood the timeline, but in the end of book two, Orry's and Charles' babies were the same age. Then in book three, Charles' child is five years old, and Orry's child remains a baby.

Too many changes ruined this.

I was so looking forward to book 3 on film.