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Old And New Dreams Original recording reissued

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  • Audio CD (May 8, 2001)
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Format: Original recording reissued
  • Label: ECM
  • ASIN: B000026FJA
  • Average Customer Review: 4.9 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (11 customer reviews)
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Old and New Dreams was created in 1977 as a revival of the Ornette Coleman quartet of the early 1960s. Problem was, Coleman wasn't interested, so the remaining members recruited saxaphonist Dewey Redman to replace Coleman. Formation of the group also marked the return of Don Cherry, following years of self-imposed exile in protest over the Vietnam War, and a noodling journey of musical discovery through Africa, Asia and Europe. This recording, from 1979, gives Coleman's "Lonely Woman" the deep, meditative treatment that escaped the original recording, topping 12 minutes. Cherry's composition "Guinea" features Cherry on Piano, as well as his signature pocket trumpet. It is a melodious piece with complex rhythms and beautiful solos. On "Song for the Whales," bassist Charlie Haden produces eery whale sounds using a bow, taking the song into a flowing vehicle for the soloists. Blackwell's "Togo," Coleman's "Open or Close," and Redman's "Orbit of La-Ba" together give the recording much of its feel, with deep explorations of simple melodies and rich tone. What makes this group so interesting is the stark accompaniment: trumpet and sax solos are accompanied only by drums and bass. This recording grows on you, especially after you learn to appreciate the free style of playing and Don Cherry's wailing trumpet (an expression of pure glee he called "Cherrytalk"). If you find anything redeeming in Kenny G, you will really hate this CD -- and vice versa.
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This 1979 album contains one of the most beautiful readings of Ornette Coleman's "Lonely Woman" as well as original songs from the members Cherry, Haden,Redman and Blackwell. The range of music runs from free to atmospheric, with an incredible amount of interplay between the instruments. Typically ECM ish, this album, when paired with the 1980 live set "Playing" makes up some of the strongest material and intelligent soloing in the last 20 years. With the deaths of Blackwell and Cherry in the last few years, it makes Old and New Dreams a band that will be greatly missed. But with recordings like this one, their voices will heard forever. If you like Ornette, you will LOVE this recording.
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While the icon provided by Amazon shows the correct cover art, the song line up presented here is actually for the group's first record. Scroll up to the other listing for the CD "Old and New Dreams" to get the actual song listings. Additionally, this is a studio recording, so while it may be "live," it was not recorded in concert. The live CDs are "Playing" and the "Tribute to Blackwell."
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The Old and New Dreams Band could be regarded as Ornette's classic quartet with Dewey Redman standing in for Ornette, or, since Redman later played with Coleman, the Ornette Coleman quintet without Ornette.
The disk starts out with an extended and compelling performance of the classic "Lonely Woman" on which bass player Charlie Haden really shines. This is followed by two African-influenced originals, "Togo" by drummer Ed Blackwell, and "Guinea" by trumpeter/pianist Don Cherry.
The disk loses steam after these first three tracks. Its back to Ornette for "Open or Close," followed by Redman's "Orbit of La-Ba" on which he wails like a muezzin on the musette. The disk concludes with Haden's "Song for the Whales," "written with respect for all species of whales, in the hope that they will soon be protected by international law." Well, Charlie got his wish fulfilled, though one can argue about just how effective the International Whaling Convention actually is. I once read somewhere that the song of the humpback whale spans eight octaves. From the way this track sounds, Mr. Haden's bass can span eight octaves, though, having demonstrated that, I am not sure how many listeners would want to hear it done repeatedly.
As another reviewer observed, with the deaths of Blackwell and Cherry, we are never going to have the opportunity to hear this band again. Only more reason to treasure their recorded output.
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This is not on the tip of anyone's tongue when it comes to great jazz albums, but maybe it should be. The compositions here spread themselves out into contemplative, exploratory landscapes, and yet retain a solitary beauty. Tom Moon places it in his book "1000 Albums to Hear Before You Die," stating the following:

"The sage tenor saxophonist Joe Lovano keeps a list of often-overlooked records that he believes are vital to the understanding of jazz history. This 1979 gathering of veterans of Ornette Coleman's groups is on it. "The people on this record are not playing together all the time," Lovano said in a 2002 interview. "They sorta have to switch back into the Ornette way of looking at music, which is pretty different from everything else. You can tell their minds are engaged the whole time--Dewey [Redman, the tenor saxophonist] plays these long melodies that have a beautiful shining heart inside them."

Lovano might have been thinking about Redman's solo on the gorgeous Don Cherry tune "Guinea." Just as the sing-song melody is winding down, Redman makes a scrambling, not entirely graceful lunge into the tenor saxophone's upper register. He's been itching to break away, and now, after Cherry's done his trumpet thing, Redman sees his chance. He begins with big single notes, played just so--he's a man stepping carefully around some bad memories. His playing would be great with just bass and drums (the setting for most of the solos with this quartet), but just as Redman is starting, Cherry switches to piano, providing a firm anchor. Redman responds with a wail. He cries a bit. His phrases--utterly logical yet oddly shaped--swell with such life that they threaten to burst apart.

Old and New Dreams emphasizes the lyrical side of the Ornette Coleman group.
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