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  • Audio CD (April 10, 2001)
  • Original Release Date: 1997
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Label: Sub Pop
  • ASIN: B00005AU1T
  • Average Customer Review: 4.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (29 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #193,710 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

1. Wop-A-Din-Din
2. Byrd Joel
3. Void
4. Between Days
5. Cruiser
6. Michigan
7. River
8. Smokey
9. Golden
10. Kavita

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Red House Painters Old Ramon US CD album

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Released almost concurrently with head House Painter Mark Kozelek's solo venture What's Next to the Moon (a delightful selection of deconstructed AC/DC covers), Old Ramon allows the rare opportunity to hear an artist both then and now. Recorded in '97, Old Ramon languished in the limbo of label fallout, finally to be rescued and released by Sub Pop in '01. Meanwhile, though, it seemed Kozelek had moved on, releasing a flurry of projects with nary a look back, making Old Ramon almost seem like an afterthought. But what a lovely afterthought it is. The trademark features of a Red House Painters' joint are all here: the songs are long and meandering, the guitars seesaw languidly, the drums plod, dissonant harmonies moan, and Kozelek's olive-oil voice seeps around everything. The best tracks include the light and airy "Wop a Din-Din," an homage to Kozelek's cat; the dark and beastly "Byrd Joel"; and the understated "Cruiser." Still, though, the album doesn't quite shake off its purgatorial past and remains more of an asterisk amid the band's outstanding back catalog. If you already love the Painters, Old Ramon is a godsend. But novitiates might better be off checking out the lovely cascade of Ocean Beach or Kozelek's aforementioned solo joint. --Tod Nelson

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The Red House Painters are a great band.
Puxxle
Songs for a Blue Guitar was a good album, but it was, i don't know, kinda quirky.
dick
It took me a shile to fully appreciate this album.
Pinoy Boy

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5 of 6 people found the following review helpful By M. Neal on January 5, 2004
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The Red House Painters have always been a little inconsistent on each album. Kozelek is one of those songwriters that places masterpieces alongside songs that border on self-indulgence. Old Ramon may be the most solid Red House Painters album of the whole lot. Some purists have disparaged the dominance of electric guitar on this album's sonic palette, but I think it's brilliantly done and beautiful. Lyrically, this is also one of the stronger albums in their catalog, Wop-a-Din-Din aside. If there is one complaint, it's that the album as a whole almost runs together. Others could see this as a strength, but upon first listen--especially since the songs are also very long--it can be a bit much to get through. Songs like Void and Smokey are devastatingly good though, and instant classics. In an age of instant gratification and hooks tossed out like cheap candy, Kozelek's music is a sharp and gratifying counterpoint.
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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful By Aaron J Norris on February 15, 2003
Format: Audio CD
I have been a huge fan of Red House Painters since the first time I heard them. It was "Summer Dress," from their ablum Ocean Beach. I haven't stopped listening since.
While I don't think that this album is quite as good as "Songs for a Blue Guitar," it is definately worth owning. The first four songs along with number nine are the ones that stand out for me. This album took forever to get to us and it has been way too long since we have heard from them. We need more.
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2 of 2 people found the following review helpful By "proforcer" on January 17, 2004
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I have been avidly collecting music of all genres and eras for over 20 years and I have NEVER found myself playing a CD over and over. Every song on this is absolutely amazing. Hats off to Mr. Kozelek for being the astounding songwriter he was meant to be and thereby enriching our lives by his remarkable craft. Im currently buying the entire catalog and will undoubtably remain a fan for life.
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12 of 17 people found the following review helpful By Seth Howard on April 10, 2001
Format: Audio CD
Well, after 3 years it's finally out. Having been slipped a promo copy about a month ago I've had some time to form impressions of "Old Ramon" so here goes...
On first listen, long time RHP fans may find it hard to suppress their collective gag reflex at "Wop A Din Din" - Kozelek's tribute to his cat. If it weren't for the sheer earnestness of this song, it would certainly fall flat. It's definitely a catchy tune, and if you can stomach the fifth grade writing assignment lyrics you may like it a lot.
"Byrd Joel" is a breezy song that recalls some of the lighter moments on "Songs For A Blue Guitar". Lyrically, it's more obscure (in typical RHP fashion), but the beautiful guitar overdub textures and the hypnotic fuzz bassline will definitely draw you in.
"Void" is the first sign that this is indeed the same band that made "Down Colorful Hill". Here Kozelek's ruminations about a relationship are punctuated by little 80's-style lead guitar in the choruses. The combination works surprisingly well.
"Between Days" is by far the standout song on "Old Ramon". While the hook is hardly similar to that of "Make Like Paper" (on "Blue Guitar"), the song serves a similar purpose - to kick things up a notch. The interplay of overdriven guitar, slide guitar and harmonica is brilliant, and the lyrics really mesh with the tune to lend the song a sense of motion.
"Cruiser" is a low key ramble through the streets and highways of LA. Despite the fact that the windows are down and the stereo is blasting, the narrator and his companion are both quietly alone. Nobody writes a song like this better than Mark Kozelek.
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3 of 4 people found the following review helpful By chris on September 29, 2003
Format: Audio CD
Ok...with much respect to all the old RHP fans! I can hardly believe my eyes when I see a few people make any bad comments on anything about this record, "Michigan" being such a great song! being I didn't really like the band til I heard Old Ramon, it was a great place to start.
I am a firm believer on an artist gets better and better with time, sure its not the long drawn-out reverby versions of the old 1993, 94's RHP, but this album is by far the best album in my opinion. and I even told that to Mark Kozelek personally!!
the production is a better than anything I have ever heard from them, "Songs for a Blue guitar" was alright, but it had too many different changing in the tones between songs, like it may have been recorded in a different times.
but Old Ramon holds its wieght, very constant, I will not go as far as saying these have all the hits on it, I mean lets face it, "Japenese to English, Katy song, Uncle Joe and Grace Catherdal Park" are all RHP classics, and are also my favorite songs as well.
but what I am trying to say is that this whole album is such a well weaved piece of emotion, everysong really fits so perfectly after the next song, which is something I find not in any other RHP albums, there are NO awkward tracks, unlike the other songs I have too skip on other albums.
just in the opening line on "Smokey" "you caved my Karma in" is just enough sadness and feeling to make you cry!!
and all that nonsence about the 4th track "In between days" being ugly and overbearing, thats definatly not the case, trust me if your a first time buyer this is the one to start with, then I would go back one album at a time!
but don't forget that he has a band now called "Sun Kil Moon" and its awesome!!!!coming Nov 4th on Jetset Records!!
and don't forget that he has a lIve album on Subpop called White x-mas,truly the second masterpiece!!
chris
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