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30 of 36 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Somewhat Creepy
After reading how controversial Opening Skinner's Box is, I had to read the book myself. Some of the people interviewed in the book are claiming to have been incorrectly quoted, and some psychologists take issue with Slater's scholarship and conclusions. Having been warned not to take the facts too seriously, I thought it would still be intriguing to consider the deeper...
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1.0 out of 5 stars Occasionally interesting, but mostly annoying, even cruel.
This type of book needed to be done, but this foray into the "real" people and ideas behind the most influential psychological experiments is entirely disappointing. I am a professor who teaches psychology and hoped to gain insight for my classes. Instead, I found a disturbing account by a author who couldn't get past her own self-absorption. It may have been entertaining...
Published on June 28, 2004 by Matthew Novalany


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46 of 53 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Occasionally interesting, but mostly annoying, even cruel., June 28, 2004
This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
This type of book needed to be done, but this foray into the "real" people and ideas behind the most influential psychological experiments is entirely disappointing. I am a professor who teaches psychology and hoped to gain insight for my classes. Instead, I found a disturbing account by a author who couldn't get past her own self-absorption. It may have been entertaining to read a subjective account of an author's experiences with these famed individuals, if Slater's own troubled personality hadn't been so evident.
Anyone going through a psychology program has been taught about the history of psychology, which includes an evaluation of different approches, such as behaviorism, and also includes the ethical issues of earlier experiments like Milgram's. We also know that prominent psychologists are very "human" and often very flawed individuals. However, Slater's portrayals of the people she interviewed for this book are unsympathetic to the point of being cruel.

For example, Skinner's aging and mourning daughter is "a little too passionate about dear old dad."
The use of an electric defibrilator to attempt to revive Stanley Milgram during a heart attack was compared to his "shock" experiments, while his body is described as "flailing like a fish's."
Harry Harlow's wife died of breast cancer, and is described as "turning a saffron yellow, her mouth pulled back in a masked grimace, her teeth peculiarly sharp looking, monkey teeth, mad." This was evidently, to bring in a "monkey" image to his wife's illness and premature death.
Sometimes, Slater is merely annoying, as when she says she "hoped" that Harry Harlow held his wife's hand in the doctor's office, or says she "imagines" that Rosenhan was "smug" while trying to get himself committed to a mental hospital.
Other times she's just weird, as when she confesses to taking a bite of a 10 year-old piece of chocolate, left half-eaten by Skinner.
There are a few interesting pieces, such as when Slater attempts to replicate Rosenhan's study. She went to mental health centers/hospitals saying she heard "thud." She was treated well, diagnosed as mildly psychotic or depressed, and given a prescription. That would seem to be a good description of current practice and is an interesting update on Rosenhan's work.
She also found some individuals who participated in the Milgram studies, and describes the trauma some continue to experience.
But, getting this interesting material means reading through an annoying and personalized writing style. Slater is at least as flawed and unpleasant as the "big" names (and their families and colleagues) she delights in skewering.

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30 of 36 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Somewhat Creepy, May 31, 2004
This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
After reading how controversial Opening Skinner's Box is, I had to read the book myself. Some of the people interviewed in the book are claiming to have been incorrectly quoted, and some psychologists take issue with Slater's scholarship and conclusions. Having been warned not to take the facts too seriously, I thought it would still be intriguing to consider the deeper questions posed by the scientists who performed the experiments described in the book.

And it was intriguing. Slater debunks the myth that B.F. Skinner raised his first child in a "box" in order to conduct an elaborate behavior experiment on her. The box turns out to have been a high-tech playpen designed and built by the doting father that Skinner apparently was. Another famous experiment which revealed that most people would torture another if encouraged by a benign authority figure was especially chilling in light of the Abu Ghraib torture by American guards.

However, I came away with the distinct impression that Slater is a nut. Slater seemed especially enthusiastic about recreating an experiment in which normal people pretended to be demented enough to enter a mental hospital, then reverted to normal behavior and waited to see how long it would be before they would be discharged. Slater checked into some eight different hospitals. She also took some of the anti-psychotic meds she was prescribed rather than tossing them.

She reveals that she was unable to recreate the experiment strictly, because under the original conditions, the pseudo-patients would be truthful after being admitted, but Slater actually had a mental hospital stay in her past, so she lied. And I simply didn't believe that bit about biting the ten-year-old chocolate bar in the Skinner House at first. As I read more of the book and learned more about Slater, it wasn't so unbelievable any more.

Anyway, Opening Skinner's Box is definitely an unusual book. It poses many thoughtful questions about the nature of humanness. It is well-written, but I can't vouch for how well-researched it is or how factual. It is extremely interesting and thought-provoking, and more than a little creepy.

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18 of 21 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars Readers beware, March 27, 2004
This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
A factual point first. In her chapter on Skinner, Slater does eventually spell out unambiguously that the stories about his daughter Deborah that Slater has previously presented as what is widely believed in some circles are completely untrue. But by exonerating her on this one issue I am far from giving a welcome to this book. On the contrary, even before I read the complaints by prominent psychologists to the President of Norton Publishers that Slater had invented parts of the purported conversations she had with them, and that her accounts of psychological experiments contained serious errors, I had reason to doubt the veracity of the author. From lengthy extracts in the Guardian newspaper in January, and lengthy excerpts from the book on BBC Radio 4 "Book at Bedtime" (five quarter-hour readings from different chapters), I formed the opinion that some of the author's accounts of her experiences, including passages in the alleged conversations she had with current psychologists, were very unlikely to be true. Likewise the detailed account of her first attempt at replicating Rosenhan's experiment concerning the diagnosis of someone who only pretended to have symptoms of severe mental illness seems to me to be largely a product of her imagination. Rebecca Berlin, from Montreal, deplores what she calls a "smear campaign" against Slater. It is depressing that genuine attempts to ascertain, and on clear evidence, doubt the veracity of material in Slater's book, including material that is extremely damaging to psychologists working today, is described as a "smear". It would be better for people like Ms Berlin to keep an open mind until they have had an opportunity to see the evidence adduced by critics of Slater's book.
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36 of 47 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars Controversial reevaluations vividly presented, July 6, 2004
This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
This is a remarkable book not only for its content, but for the way it is written. What Lauren Slater does extremely well is (1) provide a context for the experiments and personalize them; (2) insinuate herself into the narrative in meaningful ways; and (3) write the kind of prose that is vivid and psychologically engaging. She has the gift of the novelist, and she is not satisfied with the conventional surface of things.

But there is an edge to Slater's prose. She dwells on the horrific: the lobotomies, the monkeys being abused for the experimenter's purposes, the living rats with their brains exposed... She does/doesn't believe that the means of animal experimentation justifies the ends of neurological knowledge. This dialectic that she holds in her mind, now favoring the value of experimental psychology, now questioning it, may leave the reader dissatisfied and confused. Where DOES Lauren Slater stand? She says she stands "with this book" for which there is no conclusion, even though she writes a concluding chapter with that title.

So it is not so strange that among these "great psychological experiments" she finds nothing like solid ground. Instead she waffles between experimenter and experiment, between one interpretation and another. And while she addresses the experiments themselves and the controversies they raised, more significantly she addresses the experimenters themselves, challenges them with sharp and sometimes impertinent questions; and when the experimenters are not available, she finds relatives or friends and fires loaded questions at them. Slater wants to find the truth, if possible, and to be fair; but often what she finds is that she doesn't know what the truth is, and that life is oh, so complex.

This is refreshing and of course disconcerting. She began with an attitude of deep distrust, for example, toward B. F. Skinner, the man who had put his daughter in a box, the man who apparently cared more for experiment and establishing behaviorism than he did for human beings, a man whose conclusions could pave the way to a new and more horrible fascist state. But Slater plunges in and finds that his daughters loved him and that the one who supposedly committed suicide is alive and well. Slater even realizes, after being confronted by Julia Skinner Vargas, one of the daughters she interviewed by telephone, that she, Slater, hadn't read Skinner's magnum opus, Beyond Freedom and Dignity--had instead, like most of us, myself included, known it only by reputation, bad reputation.

So Slater reads the book and when she is through she compares Skinner to a "green" Al Gore and speculates that "maybe" Skinner "was the first feminist psychologist." Quite a turnaround.

But this is characteristic of Slater's approach. Become engaged. Keep an open and flexible mind. Dare to believe what others are afraid to believe. Turn on a dime. And this is right for this book since many of the experimenters did exactly that: they sought to show where the conventional wisdom was wrong; and they sought to turn psychology on its head.

The first piece I read (opening the book at random) was "On Being Sane in Insane Places." This is about how in the early 1970s, Stanford psychologist David Rosenhan and eight collaborators showed up at nine different mental hospital around the country and told the shrinks they were hearing voices. The voices said one word: "Thud." They were committed even though otherwise they acted normally. Their stay was from fifty-two to seven days each.

This experiment created a sensation and a scandal in the psychiatric community and caused a complete overall in the DSM II (we have DSM IV today). The diagnostic language was rewritten so that the definitions became measurable, and the volume grew by two hundred pages.

Slater decided to replicate the experiment. She went to mental hospitals and said she heard a voice that said, "Thud." What she got were prescriptions for antipsychotics and antidepressants.

There are ten chapters and a conclusion. "Obscura," the second chapter deals with Stanley Milgram's infamous electric shock experiment which showed that ordinary people would, guided by the authority of the experimenter, administer what they thought were possibly lethal shocks to fellow human beings. Another chapter looks at Leon Festinger's experiment with infiltrating a doom's day cult and seeing what happens when doom does not arrive at the appointed hour. What happens is "cognitive dissonance"--which I would call "elaborate rationalization."

Still another chapter is devoted to the famous "Lost in the Mall" repressed memory experiment by Elizabeth Loftus which demonstrated how subject to suggestion are our memories. Loftus who, along with Katherine Ketcham, wrote The Myth of Repressed Memory: False Memories and Allegations of Sexual Abuse (1994), showed how a false memory of being lost in the mall as child could be suggested to people and how they would not only come to believe it, but would confabulate all sorts of "remembered" detail around an event that never happened.

This is a book that may make some practicing psychologists uneasy. (And they may write nasty reviews.) Certainly Slater does not play to their feelings. Quite the opposite. Toward the end she asks: "At what point does experimental psychology and clinical psychology meet? Apparently at no point. I interviewed twelve licensed practicing psychologists...and none of them even knew most of these experiments, never mind used them in their work." (p. 253)

And Slater is not enchanted with the new psychopharmacology. She argues that Prozac, Zoloft, and other psychoactive drugs may have long term effects worse than lobotomies. In fact the point of Chapter 10: "Chipped" is to tell the story of a man who benefitted from a cingulotomy (the modern, streamlined lobotomy) after electroshock therapy and after "more than twenty-three...psychiatric medications" had failed him.

The walnuts pictured on the cover come from this statement about the brain on page 249: "there is still something holy about that three-pound wrinkled walnut with a sheen."

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21 of 27 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars Difficult to say, April 9, 2004
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This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
I just finished the book and found it fascinating. I came to Amazon to see what other people were saying about it. Here's what they're saying:

1) Slater is a compulsive liar, the book is full of inaccuracies and possibly lies, and therefore worthless.

2) The book was poorly edited.

3) The book is beautifully written and eye-opening.

I can't really judge on point 1, but I pride myself on a strong "lie-dar". I have twice started reading new books that I knew nothing about, decided party-way through that they were probably fiction presented as fact, and then found through online research that either my hunch was correct or that at least lots of other people agreed with me (the latter in the case of Cameron West's "First Person Plural", which seems to me like fiction through-and-through).

On point 2, the book was indeed poorly edited (it contains an embarassing number of misspellings and improper word use, and "per say" is unforgiveable).

On point 3, Slater really is a fantastic writer. Lyrical, capable of spinning various themes in really intelligent and fascinating ways. I found the book stunning on those grounds.

Some of the people attacking the book are motivated by personal/psychological politics. Slater casts doubt on the notion of recovered memory, and that's sort of a "third rail" in psychology. Try to suggest that sometimes a father is wrongly accused of incest because a daughter (perhaps unconsciously) fabricated the story, and lightning will surely strike you. See, for example, the reviews on Elaine Showalter's "Hystories".

But now that the seed of doubt has been planted in me, I have to admit that I raised eyebrows many times while reading the book, notably during her descriptions of her own exploits (like biting the chocolate in Skinner's study) and in her recounts of interviews, where she always seems like the balanced, insightful person speaking to a brilliant experimenter who somehow comes across as a bit dim.

On the whole, I'd say: buy and read this book if you want to be entertained, but take it as fiction, not fact. She who lies about the little things cannot be trusted to tell the truth in the big things. I'm sorely disappointed.

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18 of 23 people found the following review helpful:
2.0 out of 5 stars if this was marketed as fiction, November 8, 2006
I'd give it five stars. Slater is an outstanding writer. Unfortunately, you can't believe a word she says. She's confessed to being a pathological liar, which may be a lie or just may be the truth. In any case, it shouldn't be the task of the reader to have to keep teasing out which is which. Writers should strive to tell the truth, at least when it comes to a nonfiction psychology book. But the line between fiction and nonfiction has gotten blurry, and books are marketed wherever their editors believe they will sell.

I noticed this tendency while reading "Prozac Diary." An account of seeing seven swans in an early draft (published in Survival Stories) had morphed into an encounter with a dust devil and the swans were nary to be found anywhere. So what really happened? Other accounts - jumping a black stallion without reins or stirrups at a camp struck me as fantasy - what reputable camp would put inexperienced preteen girls on a stallion? This is a scenario more suitable for a Walter Farley book.

When more than a few sources in a book like "Opening Skinner's Box," rise up and complain that they have been misquoted and misrepresented, it is hard not to believe them. However, much of what Slater discovers about the psychologists and their experiments is fascinating. She does draw astute conclusions about human nature. However, she has a tendency to approach her interview subjects with the impudence of a child and the insolence of a teenager. Had she maintained a more professional attitude, it would have been easier to take what she said at face value, rather than feeling sorry for how the subjects were portrayed.

However, at times, her conclusions weren't personal enough, at least when it came to disclosing key information. Knowing that she takes Prozac (something she does not mention in this book), it was awfully hard not to see her conclusions about the drug as simply personal fears writ large.
Also, her interview with Bruce Alexander neglected to mention that he is her father-in-law. Such knowledge puts a different complexion on the entire chapter. It also explains why he gets described as good looking, while other psychologists wind up being depicted unstable and unattractive. For example, she mentions over and over that Harry Harlow had a lisp, though his speech defect turns out to explain nothing about his personal or professional behavior. So why focus on it at all?

But if you enjoy her writing style, I'd recommend reading the book, few psychologists write so well for a general audience.




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36 of 48 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars Gets way too many facts just plain wrong, February 23, 2004
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This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
This book is about many famous psychologists and about their research. The single biggest problem is that the accounts of famous experiments in psychology, like Rosenhan's and Milgram's, are so full of factual errors that I find it hard to treat ANYTHING else in the book seriously. There are experimental design features detailed in the book that were not part of those studies. Despite what some here say, all you have to do is actually read Rosenhan or Milgram to know that this book just plain gets VERY important facts about what they did wrong.......
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10 of 13 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars More Than a Little Creepy, September 7, 2005
After reading about the controversy Opening Skinner's Box created, I had to read the book myself. Some of the people interviewed in the book claimed to have been incorrectly quoted, and some psychologists take issue with Slater's scholarship and conclusions. Having been warned not to take the facts too seriously, I thought it would still be intriguing to consider the deeper questions posed by the scientists who performed the experiments described in the book.

Slater debunks the myth that B.F. Skinner raised his first child in a "box" in order to conduct an elaborate behavior experiment on her. The box turns out to have been a high-tech playpen designed and built by the doting father that Skinner apparently was. Another famous experiment which revealed that most people would torture another if encouraged by a benign authority figure was especially chilling in light of the Abu Ghraib torture by American guards.

However, I came away with the distinct impression that Slater is a nut. Slater seemed especially enthusiastic about recreating an experiment in which normal people pretended to be demented enough to enter a mental hospital, then reverted to normal behavior and waited to see how long it would be before they would be discharged. Slater checked into some eight different hospitals. She also took some of the anti-psychotic meds she was prescribed rather than tossing them.

She reveals that she was unable to recreate the experiment strictly, because under the original conditions, the pseudo-patients would be truthful after being admitted, but Slater actually had a mental hospital stay in her past, so she lied. And when I read that she took a bite of the ten-year-old chocolate bar in the Skinner House, I simply didn't believe her. But as I read more of the book and learned more about Slater, it wasn't so unbelievable any more.

Opening Skinner's Box is definitely an unusual book. It poses many thoughtful questions about the nature of humanness. It is well written, but I can't vouch for how well researched it is or how factual. I give it full marks for being entertaining and thought-provoking, but it is more than a little creepy.

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14 of 19 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars The controversy is about credibility, June 24, 2004
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This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
This text had such potential--it was entertaining, certainly, which can help interest people in psychological science. However, the controversy surrounding the book isn't about psychologists being threatened by Slater's views. It isn't about the worry that there are secrets to cover up. At least one legitimate reason psychologists are upset (and I count myself among those who are) is Slater's blatant misquoting of the psychologists in the book. At least three psychologists she interviewed, and there may be more, have complained that their interviews were inaccurately portrayed--these inaccuracies were of a serious nature. Words and quotes were invented; contexts were distorted. Slater and the publisher have not been very concerned about how these inaccuracies affect the book's integrity. Other complaints have focused on how inaccurately Slater portrays the great studies and people about whom she writes. Accuracy is a pillar of science and its sharing of itself with the world. Accuracy is not a pillar of this book. Readers, if you use the book do so only to become interested in psychology---for accuracy, read the original sources and seek out the more legitimate and trustworthy avenues of information about psychology's history, strengths, and shortcomings.
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7 of 9 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A Fascinating Journey Into the Human Mind, July 27, 2004
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This review is from: Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century (Hardcover)
I think many of the negative reviews here reflect the inherent tensions in the "science" of psychology. There are those who wish to emphasize the mind as purely matter, an intricate neurochemical network (reflected in this book by Kandel's work on the minds of sea slugs). Slater is not in this camp-- she invests psychology with a more emotional and human perspective, which of course veers closer to literature and the humanities. As Slater notes, this inherent tension in psychology has existed since Freud.

That said, the book is a fascinating recounting of the most revolutionary psychological experiments in the past century. I took few psychology classes in college, but the only things I took away were the "rats on cocaine" experiments, endlessly pushing a lever to trigger "fixes" while they starved to death. As a layman reader, this book truly fleshed out my understanding of the dramatic experiments of the past, and also brought me up to speed on some of the present controversies in the field.

While Skinner's behaviorist studies and Milgram's obedience experiment have been around for a long time, many people (like my wife) refuse to accept their disturbing central findings. The experiments show that the psychological is always political/philosophical, and reflect the tension between free will v. social construction. Slater doesn't try to artifically structure the history of psychology for consistency, but actively courts these tensions.

For example, Slater covers recent studies that are extremely controversial. The "Rat Park" experiment challenges the "rats on cocaine" experiments and the inevitability of physical addiction-- this can't help but be controversial, as it challenges the central tenets of many recovery programs. Loftus' experiments also challenge the notion of adulthood recovery of repressed childhood memories, which I'm sure would infuriate most survivors of abuse.

Slater is passionate in courting these controversies and pushing buttons, but this all helps to create a living, breathing history of psychology and its players. The controversies are still there, even for the older "classic" experiments of Milgram et al., and I personally would rather have these controversies explored than ignored or supressed. (For those of a more scientist (reductionist?) bent, I would recommend "The Blank Slate" by Pinker.)
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