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43 of 57 people found the following review helpful:
3.0 out of 5 stars
Needs some work,
By lightwolf (Minnesota, USA) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Outrageous Betrayal: The Real Story of Werner Erhard from Est to Exile (Hardcover)
I find it fascinating that most of the other reviews give the book either 1 or 5 stars - similar to the thoughts of most people I know about est/Landmark who have either gone thru est/Landmark or known someone who has. I read this book as the "other side of the coin" against Erhard's biography, and was disappointed. I think that for a work like this, the author needs to provide better documentation for his information. There are footnotes in places, but I was looking for rather thorough documentation, and this is lacking. It ended up being a view of Erhard and est that offsets Erhard's version of things, and little more. In the end we are left with a he said/he said argument. Like the earlier reviews suggest by their polarized ratings, people have already chosen their sides. So this book doesn't advance the debate, but it does flesh out the story.
53 of 78 people found the following review helpful:
1.0 out of 5 stars
ASSASINATION BY SOUR GRAPES,
By Michael Corbett (Florida) - See all my reviews
This review is from: Outrageous Betrayal: The Real Story of Werner Erhard from Est to Exile (Hardcover)
I find it interesting but predictable that Werner Erhard has often been described as a "used car salesman" (when he was in his twenties-like we all had great jobs then, right?) but never as someone who went on to become a lauded executive of a Fortune 500 Company before his founding of EST. Just an unbiased, unintended oversight, I imagine.
I also find it almost amusing that serious consideration was not given to hundreds of thousands of EST and Landmark alumni from some of the world's most respected disciplines and vocations including educators, clergy, business executives, medical and psychiatric professionals, philosophers, government leaders, etc. who have praised and then recommended first the EST and then the Landmark Education programs to others. If one is to believe Steven Pressman they must all be stupid, duped, gullible fools, unlike him, upon whom Erhard simply would not put one over. That Mr. Pressman was not interested in finding the well documented contributions of Werner Erhard to millions world wide (The Hunger Project, etc.) should not stop anyone else from doing so. Since my first experience of EST in 1981, there is not one day that goes by that I don't use something I learned from the Werner Erhard programs I attended. Of course it helped that I, unlike this author, did not have a glaringly obvious bias starting out. So I can believe my own experience and those of hundreds of thousands of others who say they have benefited greatly by their course participation, or I can buy into this author's subjective misrepresentation of Erhard and his long lasting, proven programs. As someone who became a CEO, best selling business book author, successful parent and contented human being, I make no apologies for crediting very much of what I have to Werner Erhard's work. Easy choice.
68 of 102 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars
Dancing with the listening in a conversation for possibility,
By A Customer
This review is from: Outrageous Betrayal: The Real Story of Werner Erhard from Est to Exile (Hardcover)
EEEEEEEEEyyyyyyooooowwwww!!!It all came flooding back to me, the EST training, followed by a communication seminar, an advanced communication seminar, the Six Day training (where we were to become "commandos", were required to watch some, er, "offbeat" movies, and talk about real personal stuff), then Mastery Of Empowerment, where we did Zen like meditations, repeatedly acknoledged that Werner was Source (of ??? not exactly specified), and got a jolly good vibe going. Oh yes, there were also seminars with Fernando Flores, an interesting fellow who was once the finance minister for Salvador Allende, heavily into language and information theory... once upon a time Werner's left brain, so to speak, who inexplicably wasn't there on Mount Olympus one day... Needless to say, there's a lot of stuff, many narratives woven together that many self proclaimed Forumites don't know about, weren't there when it happened, all of which got simplified and cooked down into easy to digest tales of days gone by. Let me tell ya something. It never is so simple, never was, never will be. Pressman's book Outrageous Betrayal rings true as pure coin to my ears, it succeeeds in capturing the flavor of the 70's into the 80's hustle, the strange blend of improvisation, amateurishness, needfulness, as well as the intensity, the drive, the self deception, and the absurdity of that era. Werner was kind of an uber-manifestation of all that. Somewhere along the line I found myself growing. The sense of community and shared purpose that once was sustaining and uplifting turned stale and oppressive. It was time to move on, Reflecting on it, there is no way that something as intense and nutso, while mind expanding and challenging too, could have possibly happened had Werner Hans been a normal run of the mill dude. You couldn't get there from here without the sound and the fury. Its that complexity, trickster archetype, puer aeternus and senex stuff that James Hillman talked about that Pressman can't wrap his mind around, 'cause he's treating Werner as just another scandalous mountebank when he was much more than that. I still loved reading the book, no qualmes with the truth telling approach, Pressman is right on with what he says, only too bad he couldn't fold it in with the larger story, which isn't all that sweet and perfect either, just larger, weirder, more glorious, and kinda creepy too... To this day I ask myself, what the heck was THAT ??? The I discovered a fantastic little book written in 1895 by Gustave Le Bon titled The Crowd... most highly recommended for anyone thinking about LGATs or mass thinking of any kind. This incredible book put it into perspective for me. I think it should be required reading for every college student in America. If you are considering any large group spiritual or self help-transformative seminar, please take the time to read Le Bon's masterpiece carefully, and read it twice, and take notes, before you sign on the line. Bon Voyage kiddos... life can surpass any fiction ever written
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