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Point of Departure [Original recording reissued, Original recording remastered]

Andrew HillAudio CD
4.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (25 customer reviews)

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  • Audio CD (May 18, 1999)
  • Number of Discs: 1
  • Format: Original recording reissued, Original recording remastered
  • Label: Blue Note Records
  • ASIN: B00000IWVY
  • Average Customer Review: 4.5 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (25 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #20,246 in Music (See Top 100 in Music)

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43 of 45 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars One of the best from an underappreciated master May 26, 2000
Format:Audio CD
Andrew Hill is one of the most innovative and enjoyablecomposers I've run across in jazz. Sadly, he has never enjoyed thelevel of success that his skills warrant. This album falls in the middle choronology of his classic recordings for the Blue Note label. While I'm personally partial to "Black Fire" and "Smokestack" this recording date is an absolute classic and regarded by many as Hill's best. His supporting cast (Joe Henderson, Kenny Dorham, Richard Davis, Tony Williams) is seizure-inducing and they deliver. Especially Henderson, who is magnificent throughout. Hill's sessions fall somewhere between hard bop and the avant-garde. Hill's playing has an above-average influence of 20th century European classical music. His playing is dark, mysterious, and percussive yet consistently melodic. His bridging of bebop and avant-garde had a lot to do with his lack of recognition as neither camp wanted to claim him. Perhaps in this new millenium of genre-blending and revision Hill's sound can entice a wider audience.
If you've already heard this disc or other Andrew Hill and are looking for more, your best bet is to plunge into the comprehensive Andrew Hill limited edition boxed-set from Mosaic Records. I consider it to be my personal favorite jazz collection. END
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33 of 36 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars what jazz can be November 18, 2002
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There are many kinds of music, all legitimate and serving a purpose. What I love about jazz is its emphasis on creativity and originality. A jazz musician who simply learns the different styles and assembles enough licks to build "improvised" solos may sound good, bring positive feeling to his listeners, but does not utilize the chances jazz music affords him.
All of the musicians on this CD are capable of creative and original jazz. From the more "traditional" Durham to the always modern Dolphy, they are all willing to experiment and create.
Andrew Hill is a musician who is never willing to "go through the motions" of playing jazz. Joe Henderson alwyas sounds like himself, and Tony Williams...
This CD is true to its name. It is not a complete departure from tradition, and it is never content with staying inside the tradition. It is always on the point of departure from tradition, on the verge of new discoveries, new possibilites. These possibilities concern different "Song Structures", different modes and chord changes, different voicings of the instruments - all different yet connected to what existed before them.
It is a pity that 38 years after this music was recorded - it is still regarded as "inaccessible" by most people, and even within those who do listen to jazz, already a minority, there are many who have not opened their ears to what was new in 1964. What does it take to change that ?
Anyway, I recommend this cd...
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24 of 25 people found the following review helpful
5.0 out of 5 stars Hidden Gem October 10, 1999
Format:Audio CD
Andrew Hill is one of the great "unknows" of the jazz world. The album is beautifully remastered, as one would expect from Blue Note. This edition also contains 17 minutes of alternatiave takes. Hill, Eric Dolphy and Joe Henderson are in top form in this fine example of "free jazz" before that idiom degenerated into noise.A young Tony Williams and the relatively unknown Richard Davis are also in top form.
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13 of 13 people found the following review helpful
4.0 out of 5 stars A dedication to greatness January 12, 2001
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It is a puzzle to me how a person can lead a group to the greatness contained on this cd and still be so widely underappreciated and underrated as is Andrew Hill. His compositions are enlightening, challenging, creative, and most of all, touching.

Right off the bat I give him a lot of credit for choosing this line-up. It's probably not a line-up I would have ever thought to put together but it works magically well. This group of men bring out every nuance and explore every crevice of Hill's brilliant compositions. I don't read the liner-notes to cds until after I have heard the cd several times, so as to make sure I am uninfluenced by anything other than my own ears. When I did read these liner-notes I was so struck by the part about the song, Dedication. Hill says that Kenny Dorham was moved to tears during its performance. As was I. To this day I feel a certain kinship with Kenny because of that. Dedication is, in my opinion, one of the greatest ballads in all of jazz history. It's a mystery to me why everyone hasn't played this tune.

The liner-notes claim that Dolphy is the star here, and as a huge Dolphy fan that's something I'd hardly ever disagree with, except for the fact that everyone else here plays so beautifully too. This cd isn't one man, it's a profound group effort. Listen to Kenny Dorham's exquisite tone in the early-middle section of Spectrum! Then listen to his yearning and quiet lamentation during Dedication. Dorham is no emotional lightweight. Davis and Williams are probably the only rhythmic tandem who could have pulled this off. They play in, out, and around the "time", exerting a rhythmic movement to these tunes that is quite unique. This is definitely not just a walking bass-line and a tap of the cymbals here.
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12 of 12 people found the following review helpful
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This is quite possibly my favorite jazz recording, so excuse me if I'm a bit hyperbolic. Nonetheless, this album not only contains some of the best arranged/written jazz I have ever heard, but the musicianship is impressive. Some of my favorite Dolphy solos are on this recording (I've found I like Dolphy more on other peoples stuff than on his own), the drumming is super-inspired and creative and absolutely everybody is more than up to the task at hand. In addition, this is one of the more varied albums, in terms of feel, keys, time signitures, whatever . . . and on that note my only complaint (and some won't agree with me here) is the addition of repetive takes. Without the redundant takes, this album also had an incredible gestalt effect when digested as a whole. Seriously though, I'm not sure why this album is so overlooked, but it is The Real Deal, and you're only denying yourself if you don't pick this disc up.
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5.0 out of 5 stars A wild, muscular excursion
A wild, muscular excursion through the hard hop/post bop mind of pianist Andrew Hill. Though not as legendary as many of his then contemporaries, Hill deserves much much more than... Read more
Published 9 months ago by rnrcurmudgeon
2.0 out of 5 stars The Andrew Hill Effect
I've heard many good things from many people about how great Andrew Hill is and how if I like Thelonious Monk, which he's one of my jazz heroes, I would like Hill's music, I'm... Read more
Published on December 11, 2008 by Transfigured Knight
4.0 out of 5 stars Andrew Hill's classic recording--but get the original issue!!
I would normally give this classic 5 stars because of its compositions and the excellent players but the poor remastering by Van Gelder knocks it down one star. Read more
Published on September 30, 2008 by Dennis W. Wong
5.0 out of 5 stars The Best
Absolutely a must have. I enjoyed this album even more than "Dancing with Death" and I thought that was his best album.
Published on September 7, 2008 by da Vinci
4.0 out of 5 stars Something different, vaguely satisfying
As soon as I saw Eric Dolphy's name on the front cover, I started shaking. While Dolphy's Out to Lunch is considered a huge classic of jazz, I found its lack of cohesion irritating... Read more
Published on March 6, 2008 by Eric C. Sedensky
5.0 out of 5 stars Music For the Ages
I bought this recording the first week it was released in 1964. I found it fascinating, mysterious and compelling the first time I heard it. Read more
Published on February 3, 2008 by Joel S. Schneider
4.0 out of 5 stars Classic
"Point of Departure" combines a strong set of players with some great songs. The songs have knotty rhythms - luckily Tony Williams is playing drums. Read more
Published on August 18, 2007 by Anthony Cooper
5.0 out of 5 stars A classic
In the 60s Blue Note diversified from being primarily a hard bop label to issuing adventurous recordings by Ornette Coleman, Cecil Taylor, Eric Dolphy, Grachan Moncur and others. Read more
Published on April 23, 2006 by G B
3.0 out of 5 stars My ears are bleeding.
Ok, I like this kind of music - avant garde, free jazz. And this music is a great example of quality jazz. However, these Rudy Van Gelder recordings are highly overrated. Read more
Published on September 21, 2005 by Manny Hauer
5.0 out of 5 stars Truly different
Andrew Hill and the musicians who collaborated on this CD produced something that is truly timeless. Read more
Published on May 15, 2005 by R. J. Marsella
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