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Prospero Burns (The Horus Heresy)

5 star:		(15)
4 star:		(7)
3 star:		(4)
2 star:		(4)
1 star:		(5)

 

 

So I just finished this title and here are my thoughts.

Pros:
Its Horus Heresy fiction. Helps flesh out the universe a little better. Some good action scenes. At times Abnett's writing is fantastic. A semi interesting story with a decent protagonist who does develop over the book. Big book for pricetag.

Cons:
Story doesn't really get going until roughly page 300. I had to learn about 20 new words (made up words for that matter) in order to understand what was going on. Story is not really about the attack on Prospero (Attacking Prospero gets about 20 pages at the end of the book). Seemed biased to make me dislike The Thousand Sons, who I feel in love with after reading their novel. Lots of editing errors, including serious errors involving the story IE: People being in 2 places at once etc...

Gray Areas:
Not that much action for a 40k book.

I'm giving this book 3 stars, if I had to give the book a rating after 300 pages it may have been 1 star. But the last 150 or so pages help the book make up alot of ground.

I do not recommend picking up this book unless you can force yourself to get through 300 pages of boring non story related material before you get to the good stuff.

I give this 2 stars about 65% through the book Abnett still had to ge to the part with the Space Wolves taking on the (o I forget wut legion) I nearly threw this book, because it was SO slow and it didnt cover things very well and you dont understand anything about the begining until like 75 pages into it. Unless ur a a hardcore Horus Heresy fan (not WH40k, cuz wher all that = ) buy it. but if not dont... its too slow and it doesnt get to the point even about ha;f way through, making it seem Abnett left little room for the main plot...

...I must be the one at fault, there is no way that you, the mighty Dan Abnett, could write a less than fantastic book. I must have been so foolish to think that one as mighty as you could follow in another authors footsteps (Graham McNeil who is well know as second only to Dan Abnett)a write a mirror image tale of the "Thousand Sons". How foolish we were, but luckily you amazing wit (and humor?) shone through our ignorance and gifted us with such an amazing tale. A whole story from an insignificant peon's point of view of a great legion and earth shattering event such as the burning of Propero, with no point of view from any of the sons of Russ or from the mighty Great Wolf himself, how marvelous! Oh great and might Dan Abnett please forgive me!!! (prostrating myself)

I just finished this one, and I do think it's a mixed bag that will delight and frustrate wolf fans in equal measure. To non wolf fans? Just leave it on the shelf. Really.

I do like Abnett, specially after Legion, but in my opinion this is not his best work. There are moments when it shines and gives the 6th legion real depth, and cool factor. The fact they are seen as the final word in total destruction is very fitting, the emperors executioner and unstoppable wrecking ball. You have to love moments like that. Along with those little nuggets when it does weave with the other books and contributes to the series as a whole. Plus 'Bear' is great and steals a lot of scenes, but sadly he is the only interesting one.

But for those moments when it shines there are a dozen where it drags. The books entire perspective from a human view is to be praised in concept but maybe not in execution. Astartes can be boring as they are straight forward killing machines designed to not show emotion (or much of it), so alternative ways to write them should be encouraged. Here it just doesnt excite me enough though, despite glimpses into what makes fenrisians tick and how the wolves view themselves. The names I thought were good along with other terminology he added to wolf fluff.

In the end though this isnt about Prospero Burning at all. Its Kevin Costner in Dances with Wolves and it feels overly long like that movie. It's a documentary on fenrisian culture, interesting and informing in places but ultimately lacking action and relevance. I thought A Thousand Sons did a better job in places and is the better book depicting this part of the heresy, in my opinion. It is also essential to read that book in order to get anything from Prospero Burns.

The depiction of Prospero burning is just a chapter at the end, told in a saga style by the human central character. If I hadn't read A Thousand Sons I would have been lost and even more disappointed.

Not a bad book at all, but not the story I wanted as a space wolf player and fan. This is a dislocated tale, not the main barn storming event it should have been.

If the title for the book was, "Wolf Remembrancer", and not "Prospero Burns", I would have set my expectations accordingly. This is not the origin story of the Space Wolves, or the story of Leman Russ, it is the story of a human academic turned remembrancer (skajld) to the 6th legion. It's his story. This is not the alternate telling of the events leading up to the Battle for Prospero from the Space Wolves perspective, as the title suggests. It's really misleading, since the subject matter of the title is only covered in the final couple chapters.

I'm betting the Black Library intended at some point for "Prospero Burns" to be the companion novel to the excellent Thousand Sons story. It makes sense, and would have made for a compelling story about the Space Wolves. Instead, Dan delivers an interesting story from the pespective of an academic on his own journey, but it's not the companion novel I was expecting.

I was supremely excited for this book. "A Thousand Sons" was great, and as I was new to the Horus Heresy at the time really got me interested in the Space Wolves, not to mention Abnett's last work "Legion" was simply incredible, probably my favorite of the series. Unfortunately, this book didn't pick up where its supposed predecessor left off. I was expecting the opposing tale of the battle for Prospero, and the events that led up to it, from the Wolves perspective......and virtually none of that made it into this book. After reading the first 150 or so pages, I was left wondering if the material I was reading was actually from a different book.....because the subject matter didn't reflect it as being a part of "Prospero Burns". I had the distinct impression that Abnett was trying to recreate the accounts of Ibn Fadlan and his experiences with the Rus (the backbone for the novel 13th Warrior by Michael Crichton), with the Space Wolves substituted for the Rus. The entire first half of the book is nothing more than the life experiences of Kaspar Hawser, a human anthropologist of sorts, and much of that has little to do with the Wolves or Fenris. There are moments of flashbacks to Terra and Hawsers experiences as an archeologist, none of which were very interesting in my opinion and added very little to the tale of the Wolves, Prospero, Fenris, or even the Astartes in general. Hawser eventually ends up as a sort of historian for the Wolves, and while we get a bit of an outsiders view of the culture of the 6th Legion, it unfortunately drags on and is very lacking in excitement and what we have come to expect from the Heresy novels. I often read before bed, and while I struggled to put down virtually every other book in the Hersey series and had to force myself to sleep...I fell asleep while reading this one virtually every time. Just no excitement whatsoever. The book only lives up to its namesake in its final 15-20%, and even then the fight for Prospero is a minor footnote. There is nothing regarding the Wolves perspective of the fight. Russ, Horus, and Magnus are little more than side characters next to the overwhelming presence of Hawser, and like another reviewer stated, one of the best characters in the book, "Bear", has a very minor part. It is interesting in that it fills a niche; a look at the Legions Astartes from the inside by a normal human, something that we haven't seen with the other books in the series, but the title of this book is very misleading and overall it was a real disappointment for me. This book is no more connected to "A Thousand Sons" than "The First Heretic" was connected to "Galaxy in Flames" (both describe the fight at Istvan 5 but are otherwise unrelated). It definitely has a spot in the Horus Heresy series and IS interesting, but don't expect it to live up to its title by any means

I just managed to finish reading Propero Burns and I wanted to say what I thought about it as a Space Wolf fan and get it off my chest. First off I think it was a very good novel. It was well written and plotted, and frankly any Black Library novel about the Space Wolves is always welcome.

I have been following the reviews of this book closely and most of them are favourable and I understand why after reading the book. Dan Abnett knows his craft and knows how to write a gripping novel. That said, my thoughts about this book are ambivalent, because although I did enjoy the book as a novel I was a bit disappointed with it as a Space Wolf book. So I will play the devils advocate on this and tell you why I am so disenchanted with it.

My first problem with this book is a matter of personal taste. I do not like the fact that for some reason they all have a face with a developing snout! I prefer the subtler Space Wolf Codex and the Lee Leightner approach to this by far, where the Space Wolves develop these features when they succumb to the curse of the Wulfen. I also do not like the idea that all the wolves hide their faces behind masks. Whether it is to hide these features, or to ward off malificarum or just to look more fearsome makes no difference to me at all. But as I said this is a matter of personal taste.

My gripe with the book does develop with the writing technique Dan Abnett uses to describe the Space Wolves. He describes the Space Wolves through the eyes of a third party. He uses a scholar by the name of Kasper Hawser and we see everything through his eyes - and this is where I have an issue with it.

Personally I don't mind Kasper Hawser as a plot device to further the story, but to be honest I do not care about Kasper Hawser, I don't feel anything for him and I am really not interested in what he thinks, what he fears, his problems, his anxieties, his doubts, his relationships with others etc, etc.

Why? Because this is a book about the Space Wolves and not about Kasper Hawser. I wanted to care about a Space Wolf character and not Kasper Hawser. I did not need Dan Abnett to use Kasper Hawser to TELL me what the Space Wolves are! I wanted Dan Abnett to SHOW me what the Space Wolves are through their actions and reactions, their conversations and dealings with others and among themselves.

I wanted him to take a Space Wolf character, anyone and there are quite a few, and experience the world through the eyes of a Space Wolf, not through the eyes of a normal man. I don't need Kasper Hawser for that, I need Bjorn or Bulveye or Wyrdmake. Due to their genetic make-up, Space Marines see and experience things in a different perspective. The Space Wolves' perspective is more different still because their senses are sharper and depended upon more; so their reaction and approach to things would not necessarily be the same. We cannot experience this through the senses of Kasper Hawser.

Unfortunately the book is set in a world of Space Wolves revolving around Kasper Hawser, but to its defence it is still a good book about the Space Wolves, but this is where it gets worse. Why? Because frankly, you can take the basic plot structure of this story with the central character (ie Kasper Hawser) and modify it for any period in the 40K universe and it would still be a great story about Space Wolves! You could even adapt it for the current time line and use for example Logan Grimnar instead of Russ etc; but you cannot take Leman Russ out of the 30K period and this is the tragedy of it. This was supposed to be a book set in the Horus Heresy. A book about Prospero burning. A book about Leman Russ and the Space Wolves of his time. I think it is safe to say that we mostly get a 3rd hand view of the Space Wolves during this period and very little of the rest.

This was an opportunity to show Leman Russ in all his glory. It was an opportunity to flesh the character out in a way only a brilliant author like Dan Abnett could have done. The few scenes with Leman Russ were excellent and I honestly felt our Primarch jump out of the pages and stand before me. Abnett did nail Russ' character but he only scratched the surface - another tragedy. There was so much potential here that it breaks my heart to read so little of our Primarch in this book. I wanted to read about the relationship between Russ and his brothers - his rivalries, his jealousies, his gripe with Magnus and how this feud began - Who sowed the seeds? Russ is not a man to give respect freely - with him you have to earn it - the council of Nikea was a chance to see who Russ respects and how he acts towards them. How does Russ react when he is in the presence of the Emperor? We will not know by reading Prospero Burns. This was the book to do this in; this was the time for Space Wolves fans to read about Leman Russ - unfortunately the opportunity was lost and has passed us by!

There were other things in the book that were not addressed and do bother me, but compared to the above are secondary.

--The actually Battle of Prospero was painfully short and spanned mostly around - guess who - that's right - Kasper Hawser. We see very little of the Silent Sisters and the Custodes during the battle and even less of Valdor. Now who would you have preferred to see fighting - Kasper Hawser or the Custodes - I wonder? What's in the book is all we have.

--Abnett directly uses Kasper Hawser as an outsider to take us into the Sixth Legion, but he could have easily used another Astartes from a different cultural setting to the same effect. In fact, come to think of it, I would have preferred one of the Astartes of the Traitor legions as the main character - an antagonistic one. At least it would have been a better literary device to connect to the bigger picture gong on behind the scenes with Horus and his rebellion.

--A lot of the book could have been used for a better look at Terran Space Wolves that were absent except for one who was indistinguishable from the other Fenrisians. I would have like to see the differences between the two types of Wolves - and all the tension and confrontation that comes from being different but having to live and fight together - is it harder for them to trust each other if they harbour suspicion or resentment? All that flavour is lost.

--What about Lorgar and his Word Bearers. Did they try to infiltrate and sway the Wolves with the lodges, and if so how did they go about it? Why did it not work?

--And what about the beloved 13th company? Not even an honourably mention!

--And what about Horus' manipulation in the matter? How did the Warmaster actually go about it? We don't know, but we do know a lot about Kasper Hawser- over a hundred pages from the beginning just to start with.

If the Space Wolves are so popular within the gaming community, it is simply because we - the fans - have made it so. We breathe life into the Space wolves with our models, our games, our discussions/arguments/debates and brawls. We ensure the Space Wolf longevity in Games Workshop's products and publications with the money we put into to the hobby. This is our hobby and the Space Wolves belong to us. We are the heart that beats life into them. Games Workshop is just the skeleton - the infrastructure around which it operates. On this premises and this alone I think we Space Wolf fans deserve (and this is just a bare minimum) a modicum of respect - and more important still - and modicum of consideration.

So when a Black Library author writes about our chapter, I would appreciate it if he gave us what we as fans want to read about, instead of just giving us what he wants to write about. If you don't like writing about Space Wolves, then write about a chapter of your own invention. I don't want to set rules and restrictions, because if I did any writer worth his salt would not abide by them, but I do think he should strike a compromise. This is fan fiction after all. The author has the good fortune of making some money and fame by writing about something that exists because of the fans' dedication - not the other way round. Prospero Burns was a good novel but it was not what I wanted to read about in a Horus Herersy novel about the Space Wolves.

In the end Prospero Burns was a missed opportunity.

As I have already mentioned in the beginning, if you go around the Internet reading reviews and comments about this book you will find that the majority are all favorable. To be honest there is a minority of Dan Abnett fans and apologists who don't think it is his best work either, but most of the criticism regarding this book tends to pop up with Space Wolf fans.

I think this is a very interesting trend and it says something about the book I had not realized before. Prospero Burns, in my opinion, is not a book written primarily for Space Wolf fans. It is a book written primarily for Horus Heresy and 40K fans in general. In effect it is not a Space Wolf book, but a Horus Heresy book with Space Wolves. What do I mean by this.

Propero Burns is a psychological thriller of sorts about Kasper Hauser, and the Space Wolves are a very, very elaborated backdrop. This is how Dan Abnett gets away with murder so to speak. This is how he writes about Space Wolves without writing through them. Knowing his reluctance to write about Space Marines and especially Space Wolves, maybe this is his only way to engage. The fact that Kasper is used to provide an insight into the sixth is obvious but not the focus of the book. The focus of the book is Kasper 's manipulation and his journey in discovering the plot into his use. The world of the Space Wolves is a backdrop in which this unravels and it has been skillfully used at the same time to bring understanding into who and what the sixth are. For this I am grateful but not satisfied.

This is the main reason I say it is a good book, but a missed opportunity. This is why Dan wiped out the Terran Space Wolves with a swipe of the pen, this is why there is so little of Russ, this is why there is no 13th Company, this is why the Battle of Prospero is barely an honorable mention, and this is why the only developed character is Kasper Hawser. Simply because everything I have just mentioned is not necessary to tell the story of Kasper Hawser.

I think this is why, as Space Wolf Fans, a lot of us were disappointed or unsatisfied. We were expecting to relate to a Space Wolf character, but instead got a protagonist many of us don't care for or cannot identify with. To be honest, while reading the book I couldn't wait to get past all the Kasper Hawser stuff and get to the Space Wolf stuff. A lot of us Space Wolf fans wanted Prospero Burns to give Leman Russ the same treatment Lorgar and Magnus got in their respective books. Word Bearer and Thousand Sons' fans got to know and understand their Primarch deeply and learn aspects about them that were not immediately apparent. Not so in Prospero Burns. The only character we get to know really well is Kasper Hawser. This to some of us Space Wolf fans might have left a sour after taste.Therefore, this to me was all space that could have been used better, or to be fair - used differently.

The same is not true, and doesn't hold, if you are a Horus Heresy fan or a Dan Abnett fan/apologist in general. To them they get a good psychological/action thriller featuring the coolest chapter this side of the Astronomicon. Why on earth should the Horus Heresy or Dan Abnett fans complain and why should they bear grievances!

In their eyes they got the whole deal and maybe this is why they say that 'we don't get it' or `we have missed the subtle references that all come together at the end' or that `we were just looking for war porn and found something deeper' and other conclusions to this effect.

Nothing could not be further from the truth. I like the added depth Abnett has given the Chapter, in fact it's one of the things I actually like about the book and gives the history of the Wolves more dimension - History is all about changes after all. I could have lived without any battle scenes if Abnett had made an effort and developed the characters of Russ and one or two of the Space Wolves instead of focusing on Kasper Hawser.

This is why I am so ambiguous about this book. I just don't know what to make of it really. Am I happy we have a book detailing the Space Wolves of another era - yes. Am I happy that it is not really a Space Wolf book but a Kasper Hawser book - no.

Although Abnett is an excellent writer, I honestly hope he does not write anymore Horus Heresy books with the Space Wolves in them, unless he is willing to make the effort he did with Horus Rising and give us a character treatment like he did with Loken. Then again, I'd better listen to some advice given to me by one of the Moderators in the B&C forum and not hold high expectations when it comes to Black Library publications and just take the book for what it is and be thankful we have something.

What's a Space Wolf fan to do?

Not a book for 14 year old psychopaths who play 40K. Abnett has brought 40K into the adult world with his narratives and careful scene painting. This continues that effort and in the process tries to widen the 40K universe a bit more by creating a world view where 40k's super warriors are more than crude unintelligent killers.

This seems to puzzle many other readers but within the limits of the 40K universe he has done a better job than most of the fiction the black Library sends out.

Just like the title says. The books spends way too much time trying to establish the 'feel' of the space wolves - as a misunderstood legion. Most of the other books in the Horus Heresy can establish the background story in 5 or 6 chapters - this one took 80% of the book, and honestly didn't do a great job of it.

I did like how they condensed the actual attack on Prospero down to a simple retelling. That was good and fit with the SW 'feel'. The few plot twists that are in the book are good, though.

Seems like they could have done a lot more with this book.

Abnett (and the other writers of the Horus Heresy series that he consulted) gives the reader an unique point of view not only on the 6th Legion ("Space Wolves", the people of Fenris) but also of the huge machinations, plots and long term manipulations between the ancient foes and the Emperor of Man. A battle of wills, strategy and premonition, through the lives of Primarchs, Astartes but also of normal humans (intelligent and gifted, but without any "extra" capability like Hawser) that leads to events that affects the destinies of all.

Very well woven, this tale follows the life and experiences of an important academic, Kasper Hawser, in a research to the agressive and dangerous world of Fenris, just like a documentary making expedition (about a pack of very big wolves). Impressive how the author links the events in the flashbacks later in the book.

SPOILER - As several reviewers stated, this story as a somewhat slow buildup. But I think the title is correct - the events that led to the attack on Prospero started much earlier than Nikeia, and Abnett manages to convey the huge scale of the Horus Heresy through the life and deeds of a small pawn, that will serve as a Skjald of pawns with paws, and those will mistrust pawns that could prevent a war... END OF SPOILER.

Great insight on the 6th Legion and their ways, their role as executioners, their battle tactics, even the silly name "Space Wolves" (too silly for such mighty Astartes) is explained. As for the masks, it's interesting but probably in 40K they abandoned the practice (those masks are never mentioned in 40K material). Also, the fate of Brom gives a big hint on the phrase that "there are no wolves in Fenris". Very good depiction of Leman Russ and many secondary characters of the people of Fenris. But be warned, this isn't your typical space marine novel - here the main character is Kasper Hawser, a remembrancer from Terra serving as Skjald to Tra company of Vlkj Fenrika. I understand Space wolves fans anger on not having Astartes from that legion as protagonists of this story; but Abnett gave the series something new, and I'm pretty sure that several Wolves introduced in this book will have many developments in future books.