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Proverbs of Ashes : Violence, Redemptive Suffering, and the Search for What Saves Us Paperback – November 18, 2002
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"Proverbs of Ashes" and "Saving Paradise". She lives in Oakland, California.
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Brock and Parker find the costs of present atonement theology exorbitant. They ask: what sort of god requires his son to die to redeem others' guilt? (I use a small-g god to indicate god as a human concept which arises out of our lives, as did the idea that Jesus died for our sins. St. Anselm thought it up in the twelfth century. That doesn't make it wrong. That makes it debatable.) What sort of son would submit? What sort of human being feels redeemed by such a death? Does this theology twist god into being an abuser? When a woman is sent back to her abusing husband who then kills her, how many murderers are there?
In telling their stories of the descent of violence, one generation to the next, and the struggle to understand and contain it, and the descent of love, one generation to the next, and the struggle to embody and inflame it, Brock and Parker work the idea of atonement into something closer to its original meaning: at-one-ment. They find they cannot leave God behind. (Big-G God.) It's God who gets them through. Their stories are hard and demanding. Theirs is a scathingly honest, no punches pulled, gut level theology.
This issue is not angels-on-pin-head academic.Read more ›
I have never understood how an act of cruelty, violence and human sacrifice could be in any way redemptive and it is because of my inability to do so that I have never been able to become a Christian. This book, in a magnificent blend of personal life/ minsterial experience and theological rigor, challenges the notion of substitutionary atonement in a clear, concise and compelling fashion.
As a woman raised in a predominantly Christian society, I found much theological and personal healing in this book - it works strongly at many levels, the theological, feminist and societal, in its analysis of the relationship among Christianity, gender and violence. It comes from the hearts and minds of two Christian women who love God, Jesus and their faith very much, but are not willing to accept or excuse the poisonous wound at its heart.
Words are inadequate to convey the true depth and importance of this work; I can only urge you to read it and hope it may have a profound positive effect on your life as it has had on mine.
I will, however, repeat that this is a "must read" book IMHO. As a psychotherapist and seeker, I found this book to be very important in my own thinking toward Christianity and suffering.
For any therapist who works with childhood sexual abuse, Chapter 5 "The Unblessed Child" alone is worth the price of the book.
I would, however, like to address a point raised by a reviewer below, who criticized the book for not answering the questions that it raises. I think this is unfair criticism. The issues of suffering and violence are vastly complicated, and it is my opinion that by raising the questions and examining them in light of Christianity this book provides a great service.
Given the educational levels of the authors, I felt somewhat daunted when I began the book. To their high credit, the authors have taken complicated, emotionally charged information and have made it very accessible. I applaud the authors' courage at being willing to step forward and to tell their own stories, and to explore how their own life experiences have impacted their theology.
I look forward to hearing more from both of these authors.
The honesty of this powerful little book was refreshing. I felt a sense of relief as I read it. The way in which these two women talked about dealing with pain and despair was new for me, and it was strangely comforting. Despair and sadness are not shameful emotions. They are not something to ignore or "overcome"; but something we must embrace with an attitude of love. I deeply resonate with this idea, and think this truth has the ability to heal hurt in women's lives.
Another major contribution of this book is the idea of God as Presence. Far from demanding blood in reparation for disobedience, God as Presence completely rejects violence. This is a God who surrounds us when we experience pain, and helps us survive through the aftermath of traumatic events.Read more ›
Most Recent Customer Reviews
This is not an easy book to read. The authors write candidly and are not afraid to share their lives with the reader, pain and all. Read morePublished 7 days ago by Pachelbel
The authors give a logical thesis for a radical change to atonement theology. Important, life-changing, freeing.Published 9 months ago by sjc
You won't like everything you read here, as it may make you rethink your theology.Published 14 months ago by writemaggie
Amazing reevaluation of cross theology that will make you consider the ramifications of violence in our theology in our world today.Published 18 months ago by Rachel Johnson
Amazing and inspiring, theologically revolutionary, personally devastatingly open and absolutely courageous. Read morePublished on November 13, 2013 by CH
This book is written so well that I was able to read the entire book without being traumatized by the shocking stories it told. Read morePublished on May 18, 2013 by Amherstbelle
This book was part of the inspiration for my Master's thesis, in its description of how some Christian clerics may find themselves treating suffering, especially what is called... Read morePublished on May 14, 2012 by B. Marold
This was a good book although I think the authors may have revealed more than most of us wanted to know about their personal lives.Published on March 12, 2009 by Margie Miller
"Proverbs Of Ashes" starts out as a very promising attempt to formulate an alternative to the traditional "God-whacked-Jesus-instead-of-you" understanding of the Christian doctrine... Read morePublished on August 20, 2008 by James R. Cowles